Dogs " Not To Buy"

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Domestic Dogs have been specifically bred by humans for a desired set of traits in order to fill a desired pupose. Some puposes we have bred dogs for are Transportation, Herding, Guarding, Waste Consumption, Fighting, Retrieving, Hunting, Food Supply and Companionship.

Dog breeds come in and out of fashion all the time depending on their suitability for the purposes required, of course now their is much less a need for Transportation or Draft Dogs now then there was leading up to the 20th Century and thanks to the banning of fighting there has been a dramatic decrease in the number of on dogs that were bred for blood sports. Likewise there has been a massive rise in Poodle infused dogs thanks to their non-shedding coats which make them an easier inside dog.

The risk of a dog attack is extremely low in Australia thanks mostly due to responsible ownership and a tendancy for dog owners to be educated, it is also a result of controls on dangerous breeds. Dogs that have been specifically bred for a role in protection or aggression without question have a higher propensity to be involved in an altercation.

I fully understand many poeples point of veiw when it comes to labeling breeds as Not suitable for suburban living however just as statitstics tell us that being an pilot is much more of a deadly occupation then Truck driving however many more druck drivers die than pilots as there are vastly more truck drivers than Pilots. It is about looking at the facts and being responsible with those facts when choosing a dog to join your household.

Certain Breeds of dogs are much more dangerous than others but due to their low number are not high on the list of most dogs involved in dog attacks. Also what needs to be taken into account is the location of the many dogs on the list, Greyhounds for example are very often in public places due to their role in society where as Maremmas are mostly out Guarding sheep well away from human interaction.

Below is my list of dogs that in my personal expirience are NOT suited to family life in urban Australia.

Livestock Guardian Dogs

Adidi , Akbash, Anatolian Shepherd, Castro Laboreiro, Cuacasian Ovtcharka, Estrela Mountain, Great Pyrenees, Kangal, Komondor, Kuvasz, Maremma Sheepdog, Middle Asian Ovtcharka, Perrp de Pastor Mallorquin, Polish Tatra Sheepdog, Pyrenean Mastiff, Sarplaninac, South Russian Ovtcharka, Tibetan Kyi-Apso, Tibetan Mastiff, Tornjak.

For centuries farmers and shepards have used Livestock guardian dogs for protection from predators for their flocks. As we all become more aware of nature and safer ways to protect our planet people are looking for better solutions to predator control other than poisons, traps and guns to keep their stock safe.

I am a major advocate of Livestock Guardian Dogs and particularly for the Australian environment the Maremma Sheep as they have completely changed the way we have controlled dingos, foxes and wild dogs which can decimate sheep populations. By eliminating the need for poisoned baits and traps, making our farmland much safer and more humane.

Livestock Guardian Dogs (LGDs) share some common traits: they are about the same size and color as the livestock they were bred to guard; they exhibit the traits of Responsibility, the tendency to remain with the livestock and Protection, being extremely savage and vigilant towards any predators.

There are many more similarities among the LGD breeds than there are differences between them. Some breeds, like Pyrenees., were developed for tractability around people; others, like Tibetan Mastiffs, were developed for hostility toward those not of their camp - most LGDs fall somewhere in the middle.

Dispite looking very cute and fluffy LGD breeds are extremely protective and display this selectively bred trait by barking, posturing and intimidating as well as actually attacking which usually is not anticipated. They are also bred for the outdoors (my Maremmas live solely with their sheep flocks in the paddocks and do not enjoy dens or seek shelters) therefor have a very high shedding coating totally unsuitable for a family home.

Fighting Breeds

Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Shar Pei, Presa Canario, Tosas Inu, Fila Brasiliero, American Pit Bull Terier, Bull Mastif

An ancient purpose for dogs was as a tribal war attack dog and large predator fighter as it was not that long ago humans had to contend with bears, wild boar, lions and well armed enemies, so large highly muscular and fearless dogs were bred to protect their owners and attack others.

Whilst without question a dog can have its agression kept under check with good management in the crucial first 7 weeks of its life, these breeds of dog non the less have been genetically constructed to attack and rip flesh and that can not be denied and must be carefully managed.

Touch Insensitivity Trait

One of the traits that was selectively bred for in the pit bull in order to make this dog breed into a more efficient fighter is what is known as touch insensitivity. This trait of touch insensitivity is common to dogs bred for fighting so that despite being severely wounded they would continue fighting. A dog high in this trait would be pretty much impervious to a might yank on its chain which goes a long way in explaining why it is so difficult to call off and disengage a pit bull engaged in an attack.

Other traits that were bred into the pit bull that enhance its violent nature are a tendency towards dominance and excitability; both excellent traits if you’re designing the ultimate fighter. Other features that the pit bull was selectively bred for all in the name of the “ultimate canine fighter” were enormous jaw strength, unparallel tenacity and extreme resilience!

In fact the Pit Bull is unique amongst dogs in exhibiting the unusual behavioral trait of being unfazed or undeterred in attacking opponents far larger than themselves. This would account for the unusual pattern of their attacks in that they are just as likely to attack an adult as they would a child! The Pit Bull is also notorious for attacking without warning or apparent provocation (that’s where that excitability trait comes into play).

Whilst Most Dog Attacks in NSW do not involve Pit Bulls as a percentage of their breed they double the next breed most likely to be involved in an attack at 1.5% for Pit Bull Crosses and 1% of Purebreds in comparison other breeds in the top 10 that have attacked humans the Kelpie attackers represent a mere 0.09% of their total and the Labrador, (along with the Maltese and Jack Russel) represent a tiny 0.03%.

These figures do make one thing clear, dogs are highly unlikely to offend. However the likelyhood of a fighting dog being involved in an attack is incredibly higher than other types of dog.

It is my belief that Fighting dogs are not suitable as family pets and belong in the one place they are suited...the back of Pigging Utes doing what they are predisposed to do.

[Dame Aussie]

Rubbish. I have an Anatolian and he is anything but savage, thats bloody laughable.

[Guest Pandii]

Mmm my shar pei rip flesh. Yeah right. He struggles with chicken necks

[Dame Aussie]

Mmm my shar pei rip flesh. Yeah right. He struggles with chicken necks

[Keira&Phoenix]

What a load of rubbish.

And maybe someone should tell Farmer Dave that Bullmastiff's were not bred for fighting but were actually bred to accompany gamekeepers on their rounds and protect large properties from poachers, they were also bred to take down and hold a man down but to not attack them.

Maybe Farmer Dave should do some proper research before writing articles about things he doesn't know.

[Dame Aussie]

What a load of rubbish.

And maybe someone should tell Farmer Dave that Bullmastiff's were not bred for fighting but were actually bred to accompany gamekeepers on their rounds and protect large properties from poachers, they were also bred to take down and hold a man down but to not attack them.

Maybe Farmer Dave should do some proper research before writing articles about things he doesn't know.

Agreed!

[Sabbath]

Oh dear.

[melzawelza]

Idiocy.

[Inevitablue]

So in his personal experience he's physically dealt with an Estrela Mountain Dog?

Wow, he's so worldly.

This is the guy who was on Big Brother isn't it?

[WreckitWhippet]

First stop, learn the name of the breed and some breed history. The Bull Terrier was never a fighting dog, he was possibly the only breed ever created, with the sole intention of "showing". The Bullmastiff was a guardian/game keepers dog, he was bred to look out for poachers.

More dribble about dogs........

[Casster17]

all of the above...

Farmer dave needs to do some homework

[Keira&Phoenix]

I just emailed Farmer Dave through the Contact page on his website. I suggest everyone here does the same.

[mita]

Oh, Farmer Dave, you shouldn't have....

Put Tibetan Mastiff on your list. (Nor anything else).

Tibetan Mastiffs were used traditionally, & currently, in Tibet as child minders. They have a strong tendency to regard all they live with....adults, children, babies, small dogs & cats...as their family.

I'll contact him with the suggestion to take a trip to Tibet.

Or he can hear how a Qld breeder's tiny tibbie pup of 6 months took off at a dog show. And was later found sitting, happy & safe, between the front legs of a Tibetan Mastiff.

[CrazyCresties]

Some puposes we have bred dogs for are ........ Waste Consumption.......

Can anyone enlighten me on this :confused:

[W Sibs]

Oh, Farmer Dave, you shouldn't have....

Put Tibetan Mastiff on your list. (Nor anything else).

Tibetan Mastiffs were used traditionally, & currently, in Tibet as child minders. They have a strong tendency to regard all they live with....adults, children, babies, small dogs & cats...as their family.

I'll contact him with the suggestion to take a trip to Tibet.

Or he can hear how a Qld breeder's tiny tibbie pup of 6 months took off at a dog show. And was later found sitting, happy & safe, between the front legs of a Tibetan Mastiff.

that is so cute

[Ruffles]

Some puposes we have bred dogs for are ........ Waste Consumption.......

Can anyone enlighten me on this :confused:

Labradors?

Edited October 18, 2011 by Ruffles

[casowner]

Perhaps Farmer Dave should spend less time getting "aquainted with his livestock" and spend more time finding out accurate information rather than looking to the almighty God of Knowledge - GOOGLE

[casowner]

http://www.lovesdogs.com.au/dog-info/dogs-not-to-buy.html

Domestic Dogs have been specifically bred by humans for a desired set of traits in order to fill a desired pupose. Some puposes we have bred dogs for are Transportation, Herding, Guarding, Waste Consumption, Fighting, Retrieving, Hunting, Food Supply and Companionship.

Dog breeds come in and out of fashion all the time depending on their suitability for the purposes required, of course now their is much less a need for Transportation or Draft Dogs now then there was leading up to the 20th Century and thanks to the banning of fighting there has been a dramatic decrease in the number of on dogs that were bred for blood sports. Likewise there has been a massive rise in Poodle infused dogs thanks to their non-shedding coats which make them an easier inside dog.

The risk of a dog attack is extremely low in Australia thanks mostly due to responsible ownership and a tendancy for dog owners to be educated, it is also a result of controls on dangerous breeds. Dogs that have been specifically bred for a role in protection or aggression without question have a higher propensity to be involved in an altercation.

I fully understand many poeples point of veiw when it comes to labeling breeds as Not suitable for suburban living however just as statitstics tell us that being an pilot is much more of a deadly occupation then Truck driving however many more druck drivers die than pilots as there are vastly more truck drivers than Pilots. It is about looking at the facts and being responsible with those facts when choosing a dog to join your household.

Certain Breeds of dogs are much more dangerous than others but due to their low number are not high on the list of most dogs involved in dog attacks. Also what needs to be taken into account is the location of the many dogs on the list, Greyhounds for example are very often in public places due to their role in society where as Maremmas are mostly out Guarding sheep well away from human interaction.

Below is my list of dogs that in my personal expirience are NOT suited to family life in urban Australia.

Livestock Guardian Dogs

Adidi , Akbash, Anatolian Shepherd, Castro Laboreiro, Cuacasian Ovtcharka, Estrela Mountain, Great Pyrenees, Kangal, Komondor, Kuvasz, Maremma Sheepdog, Middle Asian Ovtcharka, Perrp de Pastor Mallorquin, Polish Tatra Sheepdog, Pyrenean Mastiff, Sarplaninac, South Russian Ovtcharka, Tibetan Kyi-Apso, Tibetan Mastiff, Tornjak.

For centuries farmers and shepards have used Livestock guardian dogs for protection from predators for their flocks. As we all become more aware of nature and safer ways to protect our planet people are looking for better solutions to predator control other than poisons, traps and guns to keep their stock safe.

I am a major advocate of Livestock Guardian Dogs and particularly for the Australian environment the Maremma Sheep as they have completely changed the way we have controlled dingos, foxes and wild dogs which can decimate sheep populations. By eliminating the need for poisoned baits and traps, making our farmland much safer and more humane.

Livestock Guardian Dogs (LGDs) share some common traits: they are about the same size and color as the livestock they were bred to guard; they exhibit the traits of Responsibility, the tendency to remain with the livestock and Protection, being extremely savage and vigilant towards any predators.

There are many more similarities among the LGD breeds than there are differences between them. Some breeds, like Pyrenees., were developed for tractability around people; others, like Tibetan Mastiffs, were developed for hostility toward those not of their camp - most LGDs fall somewhere in the middle.

Dispite looking very cute and fluffy LGD breeds are extremely protective and display this selectively bred trait by barking, posturing and intimidating as well as actually attacking which usually is not anticipated. They are also bred for the outdoors (my Maremmas live solely with their sheep flocks in the paddocks and do not enjoy dens or seek shelters) therefor have a very high shedding coating totally unsuitable for a family home.

Fighting Breeds

Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Shar Pei, Presa Canario, Tosas Inu, Fila Brasiliero, American Pit Bull Terier, Bull Mastif

An ancient purpose for dogs was as a tribal war attack dog and large predator fighter as it was not that long ago humans had to contend with bears, wild boar, lions and well armed enemies, so large highly muscular and fearless dogs were bred to protect their owners and attack others.

Whilst without question a dog can have its agression kept under check with good management in the crucial first 7 weeks of its life, these breeds of dog non the less have been genetically constructed to attack and rip flesh and that can not be denied and must be carefully managed.

Touch Insensitivity Trait

One of the traits that was selectively bred for in the pit bull in order to make this dog breed into a more efficient fighter is what is known as touch insensitivity. This trait of touch insensitivity is common to dogs bred for fighting so that despite being severely wounded they would continue fighting. A dog high in this trait would be pretty much impervious to a might yank on its chain which goes a long way in explaining why it is so difficult to call off and disengage a pit bull engaged in an attack.

Other traits that were bred into the pit bull that enhance its violent nature are a tendency towards dominance and excitability; both excellent traits if you’re designing the ultimate fighter. Other features that the pit bull was selectively bred for all in the name of the “ultimate canine fighter” were enormous jaw strength, unparallel tenacity and extreme resilience!

In fact the Pit Bull is unique amongst dogs in exhibiting the unusual behavioral trait of being unfazed or undeterred in attacking opponents far larger than themselves. This would account for the unusual pattern of their attacks in that they are just as likely to attack an adult as they would a child! The Pit Bull is also notorious for attacking without warning or apparent provocation (that’s where that excitability trait comes into play).

Whilst Most Dog Attacks in NSW do not involve Pit Bulls as a percentage of their breed they double the next breed most likely to be involved in an attack at 1.5% for Pit Bull Crosses and 1% of Purebreds in comparison other breeds in the top 10 that have attacked humans the Kelpie attackers represent a mere 0.09% of their total and the Labrador, (along with the Maltese and Jack Russel) represent a tiny 0.03%.

These figures do make one thing clear, dogs are highly unlikely to offend. However the likelyhood of a fighting dog being involved in an attack is incredibly higher than other types of dog.

It is my belief that Fighting dogs are not suitable as family pets and belong in the one place they are suited...the back of Pigging Utes doing what they are predisposed to do.

Me finks farmer Dave needs to find a wife that knows how to use spell check

I gave up looking

[cannibalgoldfish]

In fact the Pit Bull is unique amongst dogs in exhibiting the unusual behavioral trait of being unfazed or undeterred in attacking opponents far larger than themselves. This would account for the unusual pattern of their attacks in that they are just as likely to attack an adult as they would a child! The Pit Bull is also notorious for attacking without warning or apparent provocation (that’s where that excitability trait comes into play).

Tell that to the lil scruffers that launch themselves at anything larger than themselves (or my idiot dog who thinks he is 6 foot tall as well )

[Caesars mum]

What a load of rubbish.

And maybe someone should tell Farmer Dave that Bullmastiff's were not bred for fighting but were actually bred to accompany gamekeepers on their rounds and protect large properties from poachers, they were also bred to take down and hold a man down but to not attack them.

Maybe Farmer Dave should do some proper research before writing articles about things he doesn't know.

Well said K & P, this idiot is right up there with that Burke moron