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[zayda_asher]

its always been there and it's part of the legislation and eligibility criteria for any one to gain recognition in Victoria as an applicable organisation.

5A Applicable organisations and recognised organisations

(1) The Minister may declare, by notice published in the Government Gazette, that an organisation is an

applicable organisation if—

(a) the organisation has applied to the Minister to be declared an applicable organisation; and

(b) the Minister is satisfied that the organisation meets the criteria set out in the relevant guidelines; and

© the organisation does not represent owners of dogs of a breed whose importation into Australia is prohibited under the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956 of the Commonwealth.

(2) An application to be an applicable organisation or a recognised organisation must include—

(a) a copy of the organisation's annual report of the preceding year; and

(b) the organisation's code of ethics and details of how the code is enforced; and

© the outcome of any disciplinary action taken by the organisation for breaches of the ethics code during the preceding year; and

(d) any other information required by the Minister.

That's very interesting Steve, thanks. So is it in their dog legislation, or have they stuck it in some other legislation on incorporated bodies or similar? Just thinking most people might check the dog legislation, but not think there is anything they would need to check anywhere else before setting up... This would actually mean that a BSL lobby group, for example, wouldn't be able to be an "applicable organisation" if they are lobbying / supporting on behalf of APBT owners. So what does this actually mean for them? Are they able to still be an incorporated body, what actually is an "applicable organisation"?

Edited October 4, 2011 by zayda_asher

[Steve]

its always been there and it's part of the legislation and eligibility criteria for any one to gain recognition in Victoria as an applicable organisation.

5A Applicable organisations and recognised organisations

(1) The Minister may declare, by notice published in the Government Gazette, that an organisation is an

applicable organisation if—

(a) the organisation has applied to the Minister to be declared an applicable organisation; and

(b) the Minister is satisfied that the organisation meets the criteria set out in the relevant guidelines; and

© the organisation does not represent owners of dogs of a breed whose importation into Australia is prohibited under the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956 of the Commonwealth.

(2) An application to be an applicable organisation or a recognised organisation must include—

(a) a copy of the organisation's annual report of the preceding year; and

(b) the organisation's code of ethics and details of how the code is enforced; and

© the outcome of any disciplinary action taken by the organisation for breaches of the ethics code during the preceding year; and

(d) any other information required by the Minister.

That's very interesting Steve, thanks. So is it in their dog legislation, or have they stuck it in some other legislation on incorporated bodies or similar? Just thinking most people might check the dog legislation, but not think there is anything they would need to check anywhere else before setting up... This would actually mean that a BSL lobby group, for example, wouldn't be able to be an "applicable organisation" if they are lobbying / supporting on behalf of APBT owners. So what does this actually mean for them? Are they able to still be an incorporated body, what actually is an "applicable organisation"?

What is an applicable organisation?

Under Section 3 of the Domestic Animals Act 1994 (the Act) an applicable organisation is defined as an

organisation that is declared by the Minister under section 5A to be an applicable organisation.

An applicable organisation under the Act is an organisation of either dog or cat breeders who have

established a code of ethics in the responsible ownership and breeding of their animals.

What are the benefits of being an applicable organisation?

The benefits for an applicable organisation include the organisation being considered a relevant

stakeholder for Government and Departmental committees on animal management and members of the

organisation receive a discount on pet registration with their local council for the animals they have

registered with their organisation. Also, where members of the organisation have less than 10 fertile

females but still intend to operate a breeding establishment for profit, these members are not required to

register their operation as a Domestic Animal Business with their local council.

How does an organisation become an applicable organisation?

The Minister may declare, by notice published in the Government Gazette, that an organisation is an

applicable organisation if:

(a) the organisation has applied to the Minister to be declared an applicable organisation

(b) the Minister is satisfied that the organisation meets the criteria set out in the relevant

guidelines; and

© the organisation does not represent owners of dogs of a breed whose importation into

Australia is prohibited under the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956 of the

Commonwealth

[zayda_asher]

What is an applicable organisation?

Under Section 3 of the Domestic Animals Act 1994 (the Act) an applicable organisation is defined as an

organisation that is declared by the Minister under section 5A to be an applicable organisation.

An applicable organisation under the Act is an organisation of either dog or cat breeders who have

established a code of ethics in the responsible ownership and breeding of their animals.

What are the benefits of being an applicable organisation?

The benefits for an applicable organisation include the organisation being considered a relevant

stakeholder for Government and Departmental committees on animal management and members of the

organisation receive a discount on pet registration with their local council for the animals they have

registered with their organisation. Also, where members of the organisation have less than 10 fertile

females but still intend to operate a breeding establishment for profit, these members are not required to

register their operation as a Domestic Animal Business with their local council.

How does an organisation become an applicable organisation?

The Minister may declare, by notice published in the Government Gazette, that an organisation is an

applicable organisation if:

(a) the organisation has applied to the Minister to be declared an applicable organisation

(b) the Minister is satisfied that the organisation meets the criteria set out in the relevant

guidelines; and

© the organisation does not represent owners of dogs of a breed whose importation into

Australia is prohibited under the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956 of the

Commonwealth

Ah, thanks... so it wouldn't apply to other orgs anyway... Sounds like something that they used to allowed them to exclude the APBT club. I wonder if they might still try to use it to exclude non-breeder groups, like a BSL lobby group from being stakeholders? It would definintely be something for the Vic mob to look into and get on top of if they do look at setting up any such groups.

Edited October 5, 2011 by zayda_asher

[Steve]

clearly having someone there who is classed an applicable org is of benefit if they are anti bsl and not only interested in protecting their own breeds. It would give them a voice and allow them to be considered a stake holder - however, if that org were to be seen to be representing owners of prohibited breeds rather than a principal regardless of breed they dont qualify for being an approved org.

It would seem that in order to have pit bulls or dogs who look like pit bulls ever given a reprieve therefore that it is in the best interests of their owners and them for anyone who is against BSL to stick to that and not be seen to be defending any one breed or any particular look or type. That means some of the actions and methods used to date may have been counterproductive to all dog lovers to be seen to be united and perhaps its time to rethink the strategy to be able to see a realistic positive outcome.

When a government targets one breed or their look alike normal reaction has been to defend the breeds - we loose . We need to present ourselves to be against BSL and develop strategies to ensure that's how we are seen and how we make our battle plans.

If you take the breed out of the equation then everyone is on the same page - no one wants any dog judged on how they look rather than how they act - it becomes a bigger army - more voters.

[Steve]

What is an applicable organisation?

Under Section 3 of the Domestic Animals Act 1994 (the Act) an applicable organisation is defined as an

organisation that is declared by the Minister under section 5A to be an applicable organisation.

An applicable organisation under the Act is an organisation of either dog or cat breeders who have

established a code of ethics in the responsible ownership and breeding of their animals.

What are the benefits of being an applicable organisation?

The benefits for an applicable organisation include the organisation being considered a relevant

stakeholder for Government and Departmental committees on animal management and members of the

organisation receive a discount on pet registration with their local council for the animals they have

registered with their organisation. Also, where members of the organisation have less than 10 fertile

females but still intend to operate a breeding establishment for profit, these members are not required to

register their operation as a Domestic Animal Business with their local council.

How does an organisation become an applicable organisation?

The Minister may declare, by notice published in the Government Gazette, that an organisation is an

applicable organisation if:

(a) the organisation has applied to the Minister to be declared an applicable organisation

(b) the Minister is satisfied that the organisation meets the criteria set out in the relevant

guidelines; and

© the organisation does not represent owners of dogs of a breed whose importation into

Australia is prohibited under the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956 of the

Commonwealth

Ah, thanks... so it wouldn't apply to other orgs anyway... Sounds like something that they used to allowed them to exclude the APBT club. I wonder if they might still try to use it to exclude non-breeder groups, like a BSL lobby group from being stakeholders? It would definintely be something for the Vic mob to look into and get on top of if they do look at setting up any such groups.

Any group can write to the minister and be asked to be considered a stake holder and be advised when any action is in the mix re dogs - whether they take any notice is open to discussion - however, when they dont then the group who has asked to be involved can have a big fat moan and complain they asked to be involved and a stake holder and they were excluded.

[Quickasyoucan]

I think at the end of the day it is very easy to be in opposition to something, but the battle is not going to be won without proof that BSL does not work AND a realistic policy that will work and that you can convince the public will actually work.

I think it was Spot very succinctly put that even if you don't like ABPTs and even if you don't like dogs you should be against BSL if it does not work, as it has the potential to cost taxpayers a lot of money whilst doing nothing to dent dog bite statistics.

I think that is one front where concrete evidence of the failure of BSL (the UK should be a good example) should be presented.

But secondly and most importantly there need to be a viable alternative presented. I think Steve mentioned a pilot. We need a set of 'model rules' and a 'model town', if you like, where dog bites are being reduced, (actual real life proof) by an alternative method.

Pollies are just going to grab the easiest option available, it is up to the dog world and those interested in animal and child welfare to come up with an alternative that benefits everyone.

Edited October 5, 2011 by Quickasyoucan

[zayda_asher]

Yes, I agree with both of you... this is what we are trying to focus on in my state.

A pilot program would be excellent... As I said in the other thread, we're here if we can help with what you are doing Steve... just let me know and I'll take it to the others in our group.