Steve Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Billabong Creek and the PMs Pooch on one side, V's Debra Tranter/Animal activisits on the other. It should make for an interesting couple of weeks. What a BIG FAILURE and a slap in the face for the Oscars Law folk. Why is it that our PM buying a DD is a big failure for Oscars law in particular? It is a slap in the face for registered breeders and rescue. It also highlights the scale of the DD problem. I would say more so for Oscars Law - this is one of the farms they have targeted and written about as examples of what they are fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemymutts Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 SHAME on the PM. What a joke! She & her partner obviously have ZERO common sense! The sooner she is gone, the better! What a disgrace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Billabong Creek and the PMs Pooch on one side, V's Debra Tranter/Animal activisits on the other. It should make for an interesting couple of weeks. What a BIG FAILURE and a slap in the face for the Oscars Law folk. Why is it that our PM buying a DD is a big failure for Oscars law in particular? It is a slap in the face for registered breeders and rescue. It also highlights the scale of the DD problem. I would say more so for Oscars Law - this is one of the farms they have targeted and written about as examples of what they are fighting. Sorry Steve I disagree. Register breeders and rescue orgs have been around for a lot longer than Oscars Law. We cant seem to be able to tackle the PF'ing issues either. Why do we expect OL to reslove all the issues overnight? It can take years to close down a hideous and proven inhumane PF even when the RSPCA are involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Billabong Creek and the PMs Pooch on one side, V's Debra Tranter/Animal activisits on the other. It should make for an interesting couple of weeks. What a BIG FAILURE and a slap in the face for the Oscars Law folk. Why is it that our PM buying a DD is a big failure for Oscars law in particular? It is a slap in the face for registered breeders and rescue. It also highlights the scale of the DD problem. I would say more so for Oscars Law - this is one of the farms they have targeted and written about as examples of what they are fighting. Sorry Steve I disagree. Register breeders and rescue orgs have been around for a lot longer than Oscars Law. We cant seem to be able to tackle the PF'ing issues either. Why do we expect OL to reslove all the issues overnight? It can take years to close down a hideous and proven inhumane PF even when the RSPCA are involved. I dont expect OL to resolve things over night and the way they are going the only thing they will change is any progress anyone else is making. This is not a proven inhumane puppy farm at all and that is the whole point - apart from the obvious breed issues it is the selection of this particular breeder which is a slap in the face for OL because from what I can see they are the only ones who have said it is inhumane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Billabong Creek and the PMs Pooch on one side, V's Debra Tranter/Animal activisits on the other. It should make for an interesting couple of weeks. What a BIG FAILURE and a slap in the face for the Oscars Law folk. Why is it that our PM buying a DD is a big failure for Oscars law in particular? It is a slap in the face for registered breeders and rescue. It also highlights the scale of the DD problem. I would say more so for Oscars Law - this is one of the farms they have targeted and written about as examples of what they are fighting. Sorry Steve I disagree. Register breeders and rescue orgs have been around for a lot longer than Oscars Law. We cant seem to be able to tackle the PF'ing issues either. Why do we expect OL to reslove all the issues overnight? It can take years to close down a hideous and proven inhumane PF even when the RSPCA are involved. I dont expect OL to resolve things over night and the way they are going the only thing they will change is any progress anyone else is making. This is not a proven inhumane puppy farm at all and that is the whole point - apart from the obvious breed issues it is the selection of this particular breeder which is a slap in the face for OL because from what I can see they are the only ones who have said it is inhumane. If they were breaching the codes in VIC, surely the RSPCA and the relevant council would have been onto it by now ? Or is it that they are simply a commericial breeding facility and Oscars Law take exception to that, regardless of them ticking all the boxes in terms of what is spelled out under the current legislation? Is it really a hell hole ? or simply another commercial breeding facility ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphra Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) I emailed the PM via her website. Here's a copy of my letter, if anyone wants to use it they are welcome. Dear Ms Gillard,First of all, congratulations on wanting a First Dog. Dogs are wonderful companions and remarkable de-stressors, and I'm sure that in your job destressing is very important. However, as an animal rescuer, I am deeply disappointed that you have chosen to buy your puppy from a puppy farm. Across Australia annually some 250,000 companion animals are killed in council pounds, not because they sick or dangerous, but because they don't have a home. As a rescuer I know that if I had sufficient resources I could find homes for many, many more dogs and cats than we are currently able to care for. Each and every healthy, happy animal I can save from death and place in a new home is a cause for celebration. Some of those animals are the products of puppy farms, like the one you are buying your new puppy from. Bred in dreadful conditions with little care for their welfare and then sold too young, unsocialised and with little care for their future. Anyone who has rehabilitated a puppy farm dog will be able to tell you deeply these conditions affect the minds and bodies of dogs. If you'd like to investigate the terrible conditions under which puppies, like yours are bred I urge you to read Prisoners for Profit (http://www.prisonersforprofit.org.au/) or talk to the RSPCA. You might wish to consider the advantages of buying a purebred dog from an ethical, registered breeder who health checks their animals and are knowledgeable and passionate about their breeds. It is not true that crossbreed animals are healthier than purebred animals, and in many cases crosses will carry the hereditary problems of both parents. But even beyond the tragedy which is puppy farming, there is a bigger issue. As a rescuer I work very hard to educate people about the wonderful animals which are available through rescue; rescuers take every opportunity to showcase rescue and the joy which rescued animals can bring to their new homes. All kinds of dogs and puppies are available through rescue; big, small, young, old, energetic, lazy, long-haired, short-haired, crossbred and purebred. Whatever kind of dog you want will be available from rescue. Pet Rescue (http://www.petrescue.com.au) lists thousands of dogs and puppies looking for new homes; I'm sure that one of them would make an excellent First Dog and provide a good example to the rest of canine Australia. As Prime Minister you have enormous influence on public opinion. By buying a puppy from a puppy farm you will be undoing years of work by rescuers and supporting an unethical industry. It breaks my heart to think that all the work and time and energy and commitment that rescuers across Australia put in will be negated by your act, which is in effect an enormous public relations coup for an industry mired in cruelty. I have nothing against cross-breed dogs, and if you truly wish to own a Cavalier X Poodle I know of a litter of puppies available through rescue; the mother a discard from a puppy farm. But please Ms Gillard, don't support puppy farmers. Take the ethical and responsible path for the sake of those 250,000 companion animals which are killed in Australia every year. Thank you for your attention. Edited September 28, 2011 by Aphra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 seems there are two issues here - the breed and where it came from. Doesnt bother me one bit if they chose to get a cross bred mutt and a puppy I dont see that as anything they need to answer for. After all better than anyone they should know its a free country and you get to have choices which is really the point to all of those yelling about how cross bred breeders should be stopped. I dont see it as a failure for registered breeders or rescue because they chose a mutt. I do however, see it as a signal that OL is seen as a bunch of rednecks who have no credibility - and Im still getting over the fact that Tranter has had to move 3 times in 12 months because she is worried about someone coming onto her property and threatening her dogs. Considering her undercover work and the theft of dogs from other properties it all seems like a bit of a joke to me. People on either side who are jumping up and down and beating a drum about her choosing a mutt are at risk of looking like fanatics and the game is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy*dog Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) i think they are trying to make out it is bad this farm in order to gain attention. but its getting attention from the public but not attention from government as them choosing a puppy farm dog just proves that govt think they ARE a bunch of rednecks that need to be ignored. so whoever researched this for the PM missed this whole thing that stands out like nobody's business everywhere. or maybe her partner saw a couple of designer mutts from a puppy farm and saw how good they were so they have influenced his decision, so i'd say they've been talking to a person who has bought also from a puppy farm. it could even be from that particular farm Edited September 28, 2011 by toy*dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Or perhaps they are going on what the RSPCA australia call a puppy farm and not what rednecks call a puppy farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphra Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 i think they are trying to make out it is bad this farm in order to gain attention. but its getting attention from the public but not attention from government as them choosing a puppy farm dog just proves that govt think they ARE a bunch of rednecks that need to be ignored. so whoever researched this for the PM missed this whole thing that stands out like nobody's business everywhere. or maybe her partner saw a couple of designer mutts from a puppy farm and saw how good they were so they have influenced his decision, so i'd say they've been talking to a person who has bought also from a puppy farm. I'm not a supporter of Oscar's Law and I've given my reasons here and elsewhere several times. I'm also about convinced that the battle against puppy farming is probably lost. But as a rescuer I am angry that the PM should choose to ignore the 250,000 companion animals which die in Australia every year, and choose to buy a dog over the internet like an item of luggage. It's not the mutt thing I mind, it's the complete disregard of the work of rescue and everyone trying to save some of those lives. Had she chosen to go the rescue route it would have been such a boost for rescue animals. I'm so disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 i think they are trying to make out it is bad this farm in order to gain attention. but its getting attention from the public but not attention from government as them choosing a puppy farm dog just proves that govt think they ARE a bunch of rednecks that need to be ignored. so whoever researched this for the PM missed this whole thing that stands out like nobody's business everywhere. or maybe her partner saw a couple of designer mutts from a puppy farm and saw how good they were so they have influenced his decision, so i'd say they've been talking to a person who has bought also from a puppy farm. I'm not a supporter of Oscar's Law and I've given my reasons here and elsewhere several times. I'm also about convinced that the battle against puppy farming is probably lost. But as a rescuer I am angry that the PM should choose to ignore the 250,000 companion animals which die in Australia every year, and choose to buy a dog over the internet like an item of luggage. It's not the mutt thing I mind, it's the complete disregard of the work of rescue and everyone trying to save some of those lives. Had she chosen to go the rescue route it would have been such a boost for rescue animals. I'm so disappointed. O.K. I get it but I would never go a rescue route either and I buy my animals over the net and I sell them via the net - not like they are a piece of luggage but unless he was going to buy via a local recue how else is he supposed to source a breeder of any breed ? We need to stop and see how this looks from the outside - you are passionate about dogs dying in pounds and rescue and so am I but not enough to bring one into my family and lots of people arent - looks like the PM is one of them. No matter what breed she chose she was going to cop it from someone and if she chose a rescue dog there would as miny if not more against her than there are now - but at the end of the day it has to be one person's choice based on what they think will best suit them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemymutts Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I emailed the PM via her website. Here's a copy of my letter, if anyone wants to use it they are welcome. Dear Ms Gillard,First of all, congratulations on wanting a First Dog. Dogs are wonderful companions and remarkable de-stressors, and I'm sure that in your job destressing is very important. However, as an animal rescuer, I am deeply disappointed that you have chosen to buy your puppy from a puppy farm. Across Australia annually some 250,000 companion animals are killed in council pounds, not because they sick or dangerous, but because they don't have a home. As a rescuer I know that if I had sufficient resources I could find homes for many, many more dogs and cats than we are currently able to care for. Each and every healthy, happy animal I can save from death and place in a new home is a cause for celebration. Some of those animals are the products of puppy farms, like the one you are buying your new puppy from. Bred in dreadful conditions with little care for their welfare and then sold too young, unsocialised and with little care for their future. Anyone who has rehabilitated a puppy farm dog will be able to tell you deeply these conditions affect the minds and bodies of dogs. If you'd like to investigate the terrible conditions under which puppies, like yours are bred I urge you to read Prisoners for Profit (http://www.prisonersforprofit.org.au/) or talk to the RSPCA. You might wish to consider the advantages of buying a purebred dog from an ethical, registered breeder who health checks their animals and are knowledgeable and passionate about their breeds. It is not true that crossbreed animals are healthier than purebred animals, and in many cases crosses will carry the hereditary problems of both parents. But even beyond the tragedy which is puppy farming, there is a bigger issue. As a rescuer I work very hard to educate people about the wonderful animals which are available through rescue; rescuers take every opportunity to showcase rescue and the joy which rescued animals can bring to their new homes. All kinds of dogs and puppies are available through rescue; big, small, young, old, energetic, lazy, long-haired, short-haired, crossbred and purebred. Whatever kind of dog you want will be available from rescue. Pet Rescue (http://www.petrescue.com.au) lists thousands of dogs and puppies looking for new homes; I'm sure that one of them would make an excellent First Dog and provide a good example to the rest of canine Australia. As Prime Minister you have enormous influence on public opinion. By buying a puppy from a puppy farm you will be undoing years of work by rescuers and supporting an unethical industry. It breaks my heart to think that all the work and time and energy and commitment that rescuers across Australia put in will be negated by your act, which is in effect an enormous public relations coup for an industry mired in cruelty. I have nothing against cross-breed dogs, and if you truly wish to own a Cavalier X Poodle I know of a litter of puppies available through rescue; the mother a discard from a puppy farm. But please Ms Gillard, don't support puppy farmers. Take the ethical and responsible path for the sake of those 250,000 companion animals which are killed in Australia every year. Thank you for your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think the public's reaction to all this going to be 'how cute'. The pedigree dog community's negative reaction will simply reinforce the notion that we're a bunch of snobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think the public's reaction to all this going to be 'how cute'. The pedigree dog community's negative reaction will simply reinforce the notion that we're a bunch of snobs. Yep and put more focus on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy*dog Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 hmm this is interesting i work in customer service and see a heck of alot of people every day, so just chatting to people about it and most are saying what an embarrassment for our country that she's done this. and this is from people that are not that into dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) I doubt that it will do any good but I've just emailed my thoughts to the prime minister. http://www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm I have too - this is my message - kept it short thinking she's more likely to read it than a long screed: Prime Minister, please may I ask you to reconsider your choice of puppy. By purchasing a crossbreed "designer dog" you are supporting puppy farms and the misery that the breeding stock (for the dogs are regarded as "stock", not beloved pets) suffer. I beseech you to look at this site:http://www.oscarslaw.org/ which will tell you something about puppy farms, such as the one you will be VALIDATING by purchasing a cavalier/poodle cross. Are you aware that, for the same price or possibly less, you could purchase a purebred Cavalier or Poodle from a registered breeder who cares about and health tests their breeding dogs? Oh, and the bit about Poodles being "water spaniels" - I've had Poodles for over 30 years & never knew they were actually Spaniels Edited September 28, 2011 by poodlemum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaar Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I have seen a LOT of comments on various articles from people saying "how disgusting, she should adopt, xxxxx dogs die in shelters each year etc etc" I hope people realize how fanatical this sounds to most people. I have even seen a few people saying that instead of "lining breeders pockets" she should adopt instead... now THAT is a slap in the face to reputable breeders. Not every wants or even should have a rescue dog and I don't think adopting is a suitable option for the PM, everyone would have been much better off recommending reputable breeders instead of puppy farms rather than trying to shove adoption down everyones throats. It is done anyway, she won't change her mind about the puppy so sending her e-mails won't help... what will help is e-mailing current affairs programs and newspapers to give the flip side of the story and help educate others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpotTheDog Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 hmm this is interesting i work in customer service and see a heck of alot of people every day, so just chatting to people about it and most are saying what an embarrassment for our country that she's done this. and this is from people that are not that into dogs. That makes me happy. I don't have a problem with mongrels. I have a problem with morons who deliberately breed mongrels, totally misrepresent 'hybrid vigour' and breed litter after litter of problem mutts when we kill a quarter of a million pets a year. I don't have a problem with pure bred dogs, bred by ethical breeders who have the future and health of the breed as their primary interest, who health test and raise their pups at home and under foot and blah blah blah ...I think I'm going to go and hide under the bed with a goonbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Aphra - your letter was awesome, absolutely spot on, no aggression, to the point and providing alternatives. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 But did she buy her puppy from a puppy farm and if so by who's definition ? Is this a filthy disgusting place or is it someone who breeds dogs commercially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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