Fordogs Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) 3 weeks ago I sold an 8 month old healthy puppy to a family who came to see my 12 week old puppy that was available, they left with an 8 month old female that I had kept to show but her ears were not correct. I was very happy to see her leave with this family as she and their young son formed a relationship within a few minutes ( love at first sight )it was wonderful to see. I received an email 7 days later saying that she was doing well, though not eating as well as they thought she should, and a photo of her with her new best friend a Rottie around the same age as her. Today I received an email telling me they had her PTS . Friday they had her booked in for desexing and x-ray of her hips as she had been having intermitent limping, they said ( the vet said that she had hip dysplasia and had to be in a great deal of pain ????? What pain ???? She left here a happy, healthy and very active puppy how could she suddenly have hip related pain ? The vet said that she had already endured 9 months of pain and that she would require both hips replacing and that would cost $$$$$$, so they had her PTS. What I ask is how can a vet come to this conclusion with out consulting a specialist?? Why didn't they listen to ME, I always tell my puppy buyers to contact ME first if there is a problem !!!! If there was a problem I would have refunded their money on the spot then I would have had her checked by a specialist ---- Not just a vet who made a diagnosis in the clinic. I have asked that the x-rays be sent to Roger Lavelle for evaluation, if they come back as HD then I would be MORE than happy to give them a refund, BUT WHY OH WHY DIDN"T they contact me first Edited October 24, 2011 by Fordogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanbree Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) How absolutely devastating for you and that poor dog. It hardly seems likely she will have developed something worthy of being pts in just 3 weeks. As a matter of principle this family should receive no refund but that doesn't bring her back. Edited September 26, 2011 by cowanbree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidii Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I have a friend who was told her 5 month old puppy looks to have HD cos he is loose in the rear. She told me that the breeder said to always contact them for any problems and she asked me why they would want that when vets are the ones that are qualified in knowing what they are doing. I explained that [your type of situation above] happens alot and some cases vets aren't always right. I told her about a few cases that I had heard about, with perfectly healthy pups being put down and then she understood. From now on I will be explaining every reason why its better to come back to the breeder than to listen to a vet. In some cases people are scared of contacting breeders. Sad to hear this has happened to you...every breeders worst nightmare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinaJ Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I am so very sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Oh Fordogs I'm so sorry. What a devastating thing to happen! Words fail me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaffy Magee Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 How tragic Bloody vets have alot to answer for when "diagnosing" HD and OCD. I was contacted by the owners of one of my 9 month old pups. In short They said she had been limping and took her to the vet who put the fear of god into them that she had Elbow dysplasia, that the outcome wouldnt be good and thousands of dollars. Because she was a nine month old and a bullmastiff that "had gone from being a "show dog" to living a family life" (whatever that means, since all mine live a family life, show dog or not, that it was likely to be elbow dysplasia blah blah blah. I told her do not do anything, crate her and put her onto Dr Barry heywood who checked her over, she had a torn muscle and something else I cant remember, gave her injection, problem solved. Her owners could not thank me enough as they were deveetsated they were going to have to put her to sleep. I told them to never just take the vets word, always get a second opinion. I have heard quite a few stories of vets "diagnosing" HD/ED and that not being the case at all. Im sorry for your pup, I would be devestated too. Why would they not ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollipop Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 So sorry to hear about your puppy. I too am disillusioned with puppy buyers and vets. Without consulting me these people had the Pennhip and JPS done on their 4 month puppy because their vet said that big dogs get hip dysplasia. This puppy showed no signs of any problems and the parents had hip scores of 0/1 and 1/1. It seems that the poor puppy has been not given a chance. He was also desexed which means his muscular-skeletal development will not be normal and could actually cause joint problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 mollipop, I have also had issues with vets in the ACT area and JPS surgery also 1 on the Central Coast, lucky for me and the puppy the owners have consulted me first and I have been able to send them to a BETTER VET---------- But after this one I will NEVER EVER sell a puppy to the ACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Fordogs - my deepest sympathy. Have they explained why they did not contact you first? I wouldn't mind betting that the limping was caused by playing with the other pup they had. Young pups/dogs play so hard sometimes and injuries occur. There should be some way of holding these "vets" accountable for their diagnosis (sp). Such heartache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Saddened by what has happened, speechless but certainly not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Thats aweful, Im so sorry for you and your pup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 So so sorry. This type of thing saddens, angers and greatly worries me. This is not the first example I have heard unfortunately. It is a growing trend . I will admit it has worried me so much that I have written an article specifically to include in puppy packs discussing the issue of 'over diagnosis' of joint problems and what they should do if faced with a vet who does this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 That is appalling, so sorry for you and the pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 So so sorry. This type of thing saddens, angers and greatly worries me. This is not the first example I have heard unfortunately. It is a growing trend . I will admit it has worried me so much that I have written an article specifically to include in puppy packs discussing the issue of 'over diagnosis' of joint problems and what they should do if faced with a vet who does this. I have written in mine, to call or email me first, unless it's life and death. So if the dog limps, gets itchy, loses some hair etc. Thank dog my puppy people do and we have been able to work through most things. It scares the hell out of me, with some of the things vets come up with and their aggressive treatments of simple things such as sprains, strains and dogs that need a chiro and demodex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Useless people I am so sorry for your loss Fordogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 I am so sad and feel guilty now but they did seem to be the perfect family for her, the 2 young boys fell in love and she was so gentle with them running (YES RUNNING not LIMPING) and fetching the ball for them for over half an hour. My decision to let them have her was difficult but I thought that they would make wonderful owners (BOY was I wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Fordogs, I am so very sad to hear what has happened here. The family may very well have been perfect, but do remember that it is quite easy for a vet to spout a load of nonsense and scare the crap out of anyone. People put their trust into a vet and many do not question at all. I would be interested to hear the outcome of the xrays. if there were no xrays done, or the xrays come back quite normal, will you be taking any action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordogs Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 At this stage I have asked for the xrays to be sent to Roger Lavelle and I will pay for that, I have also asked the puppy owners if they will give permission for their vet to scan them and email that to ME also. No response yet, I might phone them. As for taking action if they are normal, I will certainly give that some thought. The puppy owner also said some awful things to me he insinuated that I have dysplastic dogs in my pedigree so I have asked him to verify this with names and breeders, I know he has nothing to substantiate that as all dogs have their AZ stamps so he would have to go waaaaaaaaaaay back. He also said that she was under nourished but he sent me an email after 1 week saying that she was fine but not eating much and did I feed her once or twice a day (this was in my puppy folder) twice a day as she was difficult to keep weight on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EISHUND Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I'm so very sorry to read that your puppy was PTS, devastating. It's for this very reason, I now make sure I drill this into any potential new owner. I give them various situations or diagnosis that could crop up at a vet (you know the ones, see a large breed & put the fear of god into an owner regarding HD)& ask the potential owner "What would you do if...?" Having had a pup I bred undergo an unnecessary GA at 16 weeks old because "Being a Shepherd it most likely has Hip Dysplasia!", by a vet in the ACT, i make sure all owners are now well versed in veterinary scare tactics & I will not hesitate to contact any vet direct that directs another one of my owners to have this done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EISHUND Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 At this stage I have asked for the xrays to be sent to Roger Lavelle and I will pay for that, I have also asked the puppy owners if they will give permission for their vet to scan them and email that to ME also. No response yet, I might phone them. As for taking action if they are normal, I will certainly give that some thought. Please keep us updated on the outcome. I'd think this vet should be liable if the x-rays come back normal. Not only for the monetary loss for the owner, but for the trauma caused to them & yourself! I'm just absolutely disgusted. Can the owner give you permission to discuss the diagnosis with their vet? How far are you from them, if the vet wont scan wondering if it's possible to view them in person. Just so sorry about the whole situation. =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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