espinay2 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) ....... Ok well here you go. Just did a ref search and found this: http://jn.nutrition..../4/678.full.pdf Seems the bitches main time for needing carbs is just prior to and just after whelping. Which is when as I mentioned earlier they have a preference for eating liver and will eat the placenta - both higher in glycogen stores..... Also went back and read NRD to refresh my memory and itdoes specifically discuss the above study in relation to carb needs: NRD on Carbs To get back to the original topic of beet pulp and fibre, If you scroll down a bit in the above link to the NRD you will see info on fibre. Specifically it states that: "Fibre is not generally considered essential for simple-stomached mammals, including dogs, though inclusion of some fibre in the diet may be beneficial. Energy density of the diet is reduced by fibre, and therefore inclusion of some fibre in the diet may contribute to the maintenance of ideal body weight in adult sedentary dogs fed ad libitum......it should be recognised that the inclusion of large amounts of fibre in the diet may adversely affect nutrient availability." I would also note references to fibre slowing down transit of the GI tract - not always a good thing as it can increase opportunity for bad bacteria to have an effect on the system rather than allowing the body to quickly expel any bacterial overload. I would not necessarily feed a high fibre food to a dog with a depressed immune system or one with a history of 'gut sensitivity' for this reason. Edited September 26, 2011 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Thanks Espinay, you are obviously less lazy than I am! According to the USDA nutrient database, liver is approx 2 or 3g/100g carbohydrate as fed. Weirdly enough, they did not have placenta listed. Interesting that the study only had two extremes of carbohydrate included (none, or 44% of calories - a huge amount). Would be fascinating if they repeated it with a 3rd group eating the amount of carbs from calories you would expect a wild canid to get, so we could see if this was a sufficient amount to replicate the positive results from the high carbohydrate group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemyrottie Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 artemis dog food is the only super premium dry dog food in australia that doesn't contain corn, wheat, soy and beet pulp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 artemis dog food is the only super premium dry dog food in australia that doesn't contain corn, wheat, soy and beet pulp! Black Hawk does not contain these ingredients either, so Artemis is not the only one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarian Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Um, no. Canidae doesn't. Earthborn Holistic doesn't. Fairly sure some of the Natura brands don't. Plus the odd variety here and there of some mainstream brands. Sags artemis dog food is the only super premium dry dog food in australia that doesn't contain corn, wheat, soy and beet pulp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemyrottie Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 never heard of or seen these brands in adelaide! but it's great to know there actually is something other than artemis, i'll look into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemyrottie Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 oh wow, we do have them too! i'm such an idiot, i should've joined this forum a long time ago maybe that way i would've knew about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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