Guest donatella Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Ok, so I thought i was doing so well with my nearly 5 month old pomeranian girl however we seem to have taken a backward step. she seems to have no respect for anyones authority anymore, she chews and bites hands even when we use a gruff voice to say NO (she just attacks more), she was jumping all over my pregnant sister this afternoon and trying to bite her face, i was mortified, when i was telling her NO, she was run over to me and jump up and try and bite my face. complete and utter disregard for any authority. i'm not sure if it was rebellion as she had her first full day at home today while we were at work (i did the right thing and walked out calmly, walked in calmly, left a radio on, left her toys, a kong etc), she ended up chewing her wee wee pad when she has been using them for toileting no problems for the last 6 weeks!! and she has been at home for up to 5 hours prior to that no problems at all, i dont know whats gotten into her all of a sudden. is there anyway of getting her to know who's boss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 For staters are you positive she was biting & not over excited & kissing. Our friends breed poms & what you describe is typical greeting behaviour by there Poms,they almost groom your face. For starters being the boss means mutual respect . You need to ensure your actions aren't confusing . It sounds like she was doing excited zoomies & just over stimukated by the day. When you all came home how did you greet the dog?? Did you just walk in & do nothing or did everyone do the cute pup sorry we left you all day reaction. I have to ask when you brush her how does she behave?? When you take her walking how does she behave?? Poms are like wind up toys if they don;t get to be a dog so what sort of mental stimulation & out door activities does she get ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog geek Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Oh dear, that sounds embarrassing Just puppyness, and Pomness mixed in, maybe? I got a LOT more respect from Jester when I pinched his muzzle as he tried to savage my hands, little ratbag. Along the lines of biting your toddler back as a last resort. I did have to do it twice, maybe three times - hard enough to make him back off quick, not hard enough to be mean: he has learnt not to bite and since I combined it with "Ah-AH!!" each time, he now pays attention quick-smart when I use the verbal cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 For staters are you positive she was biting & not over excited & kissing. Our friends breed poms & what you describe is typical greeting behaviour by there Poms,they almost groom your face. For starters being the boss means mutual respect . You need to ensure your actions aren't confusing . It sounds like she was doing excited zoomies & just over stimukated by the day. When you all came home how did you greet the dog?? Did you just walk in & do nothing or did everyone do the cute pup sorry we left you all day reaction. I have to ask when you brush her how does she behave?? When you take her walking how does she behave?? Poms are like wind up toys if they don;t get to be a dog so what sort of mental stimulation & out door activities does she get ?? when she greets us, she jumps and licks but doesn't bite fingers and toes. I'm guessing this afternoons performance was because she had been at home all day and then my sister came around (first time she'd met the pup) so I hadn't given her much play time or attention (as i pretty much walked in the door then my sis did a few mins later and i did the walk in and ignore her for a few mins like its no big deal me coming and going). when i brush her its a battle, we're still practicing that, she tries to bite the brush thinking its a game. she gets walks and socialisation with my mums 3 dogs and we start obedience school in october which i'm hoping will nip this behaviour in the bud. i'm hoping this is all just toddler type behavior. i've done lots of reading online etc to see if i'm doing anything wrong, i think she's just a hyperactive pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Oh dear, that sounds embarrassing Just puppyness, and Pomness mixed in, maybe? I got a LOT more respect from Jester when I pinched his muzzle as he tried to savage my hands, little ratbag. Along the lines of biting your toddler back as a last resort. I did have to do it twice, maybe three times - hard enough to make him back off quick, not hard enough to be mean: he has learnt not to bite and since I combined it with "Ah-AH!!" each time, he now pays attention quick-smart when I use the verbal cue. so embarrassing! particularly because it was the first time she'd met the pup and i'd been boasting for weeks about how cute and lovely she was i think it is puppyness and i'm sure obedience training and age will snap it out of her, i just wasn't sure if it were something i was doing. but the biting and not listening to me needs to stop, that is frustrating as all heck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanquin Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 If she is not listening and being well.... A sh$t tell her once NO if she does not listen put her in her crate or where you have set up fir quit/ sleep time when she is quite let her out again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 when i brush her its a battle, we're still practicing that, she tries to bite the brush thinking its a game. She is old enough to no better with grooming . Not sure where you groom her or what you use but its time to start addressing the rules of brushing,she isn;t biting the brush because she thinks its a game,she is applying her rules . Some brushes can hurt so the dogs may try to bite Brush her on a bench with non slip mat ,place in a stand postion & brush/comb don't piss fart about the rules must be plain & simple,you don't need to bribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 when i brush her its a battle, we're still practicing that, she tries to bite the brush thinking its a game. She is old enough to no better with grooming . Not sure where you groom her or what you use but its time to start addressing the rules of brushing,she isn;t biting the brush because she thinks its a game,she is applying her rules . Some brushes can hurt so the dogs may try to bite Brush her on a bench with non slip mat ,place in a stand postion & brush/comb don't piss fart about the rules must be plain & simple,you don't need to bribe. i've been using bits of chicken as bribe to get her used to brushing and giving her bits when she sits nicely and lets me brush her. it actually might be a bit big for her, i should look into one for her size and coat type and see if that makes a difference, you make a good point actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 may I suggest you IMMEDIATELY start N I L I F ? It stands for Nothing In Life Is Free ..and means the DOG decides how much affection it will get throughout the day ....by doing what pleases you!! When dog is not being calm/obedient, it gets NO attention . No picking up- no talking to, no patting .. BUT when dog has all 4 feet on the ground, is looking at you, is quiet,sits/lies down when near you , doesn't bounce around on the furniture, waits for dinner - a hundred different things during the day ...THEN dog gets attention,cuddles, whatever Basically the dog's day is an opportunity to earn all the affection it can handle ..not because it is there, and cute ..but because it has shown you a behaviour which is pleasing and calm and is good mannered . Dogs will learn VERY quickly like this- cos of course , they exist to take as much affection as we can give ;) Humans, on the other hand.... often have a bit of trouble with this way of behaving - they are impatient animals ... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Dont wait for oct to start the obedience , start applying the rules now. My new pup has been home a week and he knows the rules already. Give her time out if she acts like that again, put her in the bathroom etc with nothing to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) For me personaly, I would Decide on a method and sick to it ie. Method 1: Re-direct the dog (i.e. gruffly push the dog in the other direction or away) 3 times, on the 4th time, take the dog firmly but not harshly by the collar and put them in a boring room for a time out for a very short time i.e. 30 seconds, open the door and ignore the dog for 5 minutes, if they start again repeat repeat repeat. When taking the dog away you don't look at them, speak to them or anything, just very calmly remove them from the current environment. Method 2: Do not react at all, don't look at the dog, don't say anything, just stand there like a tree. Method 3: Verbal / Physical correction - you don't seem to be having any luck with this so I wouldn't keep persisting. All else fails have a session with a Behaviourist to help you through it. The NILIF program should be implemented immediately. i've been using bits of chicken as bribe Bribing isn't suitable, it's not teaching the dog anything. If she spazzes out, take her by the collar and hold the collar against you body, not saying anything and wait the dog out....i.e. wait for the dog to settle and then continue and repeat repeat repeat, the dog learns that life continues. If you want to use food and grooming you can hold the food in your right hand and let the dog nibble on it and brush the dog with your left hand....conditioning the dog to like grooming because it's getting something pleasant. Edited September 11, 2011 by MEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 thanks guys, i've started the NILIF which seems to be working well. the biting has stopped at the moment but i presume this to be because she hasn't been left at home any longer then about 4 hours for a little while, but i'm also paying more attention to walking her and stimulating her. i've also got a friend who has a 1 year old dog who lives on the way to work who said she would be more then happy for me to drop her off when i'm on earlies so the dogs can keep each other company home alone together (obviously not everyday as i still want her to be able to stay home alone but i thought it would be nice a few days a week for stimulation). we are getting there. thanks for your advice i did wake up to this though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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