loveretrievers Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Interested in hearing from others that show their gsd in all breed shows. I'm finding that they don't do very well here in WA. (not interested in hearing any gsd arguments though) Most in WA seem to do the gsd only shows. I may have a look at those but I love watching the all breeds shows. Suppose I'm wondering how other gsd owners are going in all breeds. I'm new to showing, we haven't even done our first yet but I've been hanging out at shows to pick up some tips and to get a feel of how it runs. It's not even important that he wins anything a this stage, it's just a hobby and wasn't interested in picking a breed just for winning. He's my first main register dog (currently 10wks) Though I do find it frustrating that certain breeds tend to pick up everything. I've still got a lot to learn though. Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experiencedfun Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Hi Jess I have shown GSD's in the all breeds ring (ONLY) on and off for the past 20+ years. Back 15 to 20 years ago shepherds were dominent in the group awards but as the confusion amoungst judges who were not comfortable with 'type' arose the level of group winning seems to have diminished. There are still judges out there who like what is sometimes referred to as an 'all breeds' shepherd, there are also judges out there who have made themselves familiar with the more modern GSD and are confident enough to put them up. There was a stretch of perhaps 10 years where the 'specialist' shepherds were quite extreme but by the same token the 'all breeds' shepherds were extreme in the opposite direction. Now I feel the pendulem is swinging back to a dog that can be pleasing to all eyes. I think shepherds will make a come back in the all breeds ring and the future is rosey. Nothing better than standing in a group lineup with the most majestic of shepherds in your hands, its a very proud feeling....as is gaiting a well trained shepherd around for a couple of laps and they show the reach, drive and power which make them such a special breed. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 There were a few GSD shown in All Breeds on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 There are a few lovely GSDs around my area who seem to be doing pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 GSD have done very well in the All Breeds ring in Perth . I showed my GSD All Breeds only before he retired & he was a big winner when the breed numbers where 20 or more. His breeders showed Multi All Breeds BIS winners on a consistent basis. The problem i see with a number of the GSD shows All Breeds in Perth is there ring manners aren't exactly pleasing on the eye,they shouldn't be pulling like crazy with legs going in all directions . Loose lead ,free baiting & picture perfect & any GSD will do well if its a good rep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveretrievers Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 GSD have done very well in the All Breeds ring in Perth . I showed my GSD All Breeds only before he retired & he was a big winner when the breed numbers where 20 or more. His breeders showed Multi All Breeds BIS winners on a consistent basis. The problem i see with a number of the GSD shows All Breeds in Perth is there ring manners aren't exactly pleasing on the eye,they shouldn't be pulling like crazy with legs going in all directions . Loose lead ,free baiting & picture perfect & any GSD will do well if its a good rep. I agree, I did see a couple pulling on the weekend and even with my love of the gsd it isn't a very good look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirawee Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 GSD have done very well in the All Breeds ring in Perth . I showed my GSD All Breeds only before he retired & he was a big winner when the breed numbers where 20 or more. His breeders showed Multi All Breeds BIS winners on a consistent basis. The problem i see with a number of the GSD shows All Breeds in Perth is there ring manners aren't exactly pleasing on the eye,they shouldn't be pulling like crazy with legs going in all directions . Loose lead ,free baiting & picture perfect & any GSD will do well if its a good rep. I agree, I did see a couple pulling on the weekend and even with my love of the gsd it isn't a very good look. The judges don't seem to care. There aren't many GSD shown unless it is a more "specialist" judge but the ones that do get shown seem to do quite well. There are some nice dogs that I would even consider taking home - and I like the chunky "old style" GSD :D However, I hate new people showing GSD as they seem to think it is ok to run their dogs up our Finnish Lapphunds butts to stop them in the Group line up We have "trained" most of the regular showies although there are a few who don't seem to consider the fact that our dogs are a lot smaller than theirs Quite a few Lappies across Australia have become ring shy due to GSD handlers not having their dogs in full control either in the line up or in the marshalling area... Whinge over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Agree Mirawee - an out of control GSD bouncing and pulling in front of an OES is no fun either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_inoz Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 The judges don't seem to care. There aren't many GSD shown unless it is a more "specialist" judge but the ones that do get shown seem to do quite well. There are some nice dogs that I would even consider taking home - and I like the chunky "old style" GSD :D However, I hate new people showing GSD as they seem to think it is ok to run their dogs up our Finnish Lapphunds butts to stop them in the Group line up We have "trained" most of the regular showies although there are a few who don't seem to consider the fact that our dogs are a lot smaller than theirs Quite a few Lappies across Australia have become ring shy due to GSD handlers not having their dogs in full control either in the line up or in the marshalling area... Whinge over There are a few GSD shown in SA and they often do well at group level. (GSD got Aus Bred in group this weekend). Judge on the weekend was good. Got each breed to come in one at a time and do a complete lap, plus a little bit more (the front of group dogs ran almost two laps). Meant every dog got a good run, on its own without the breed behind running up its bum, or the breed in front moving too slowly. Some of the group 5 dogs have the same issue in an in-show line up when the group 6 dog behind runs close up behind the group 5 dog. Sadly isn't because they aren't aware - is a deliberate tactic to try and scare and put off the G5 dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaves Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 There are a few kennels that show GSDs in WA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveretrievers Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Gsd won the class he was in here on the weekend and was looking forward to seeing him at the end of the day but he got thrown out, I don't know why just overheard it from the handler. If anyone knows I'm interested to know why. Not even sure what class it was as we got there late. Hubby seems to think it was state bred class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveretrievers Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) The judges don't seem to care. There aren't many GSD shown unless it is a more "specialist" judge but the ones that do get shown seem to do quite well. There are some nice dogs that I would even consider taking home - and I like the chunky "old style" GSD :D However, I hate new people showing GSD as they seem to think it is ok to run their dogs up our Finnish Lapphunds butts to stop them in the Group line up We have "trained" most of the regular showies although there are a few who don't seem to consider the fact that our dogs are a lot smaller than theirs Quite a few Lappies across Australia have become ring shy due to GSD handlers not having their dogs in full control either in the line up or in the marshalling area... Whinge over There are a few GSD shown in SA and they often do well at group level. (GSD got Aus Bred in group this weekend). Judge on the weekend was good. Got each breed to come in one at a time and do a complete lap, plus a little bit more (the front of group dogs ran almost two laps). Meant every dog got a good run, on its own without the breed behind running up its bum, or the breed in front moving too slowly. Some of the group 5 dogs have the same issue in an in-show line up when the group 6 dog behind runs close up behind the group 5 dog. Sadly isn't because they aren't aware - is a deliberate tactic to try and scare and put off the G5 dog. That's shameful! Edited August 29, 2011 by loveretrievers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaar Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 GSD went runner up in show (all breeds) here in Tassie yesterday. There are some really nice ones that do well from different kennels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 All breed only here in N.E. Vic and southern NSW. Our Rikki is a 13 times BIS winner (and sable). Seems in many cases, its pointless to train them to good manners, slack lead and under control as the wild ones lunging on back feet only and tripping up handlers, seem to be many judges favourites. We have the none roachy backs with substance that can walk without touching hocks to the ground, but that doesnt seem to matter in this day in age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Gsd won the class he was in here on the weekend and was looking forward to seeing him at the end of the day but he got thrown out, I don't know why just overheard it from the handler. If anyone knows I'm interested to know why. Not even sure what class it was as we got there late. Hubby seems to think it was state bred class. He was most likely knocked out by the Best IN Show winner or Runner up Best in Show winner. Which ever class they come from they are the automatic winner & the other group winners don't get to compete unless they do consolation classes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaves Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) All breed only here in N.E. Vic and southern NSW. Our Rikki is a 13 times BIS winner (and sable). Seems in many cases, its pointless to train them to good manners, slack lead and under control as the wild ones lunging on back feet only and tripping up handlers, seem to be many judges favourites. We have the none roachy backs with substance that can walk without touching hocks to the ground, but that doesnt seem to matter in this day in age. There are a number of GSDs that do well - that dont lack substance, and can walk without their hocks touching the ground, that have full dentition and are beautifully ring trained. But again people only focus on the bad....just remember there is bad in every breed, and what you may think is correct others do not. At the end of the day it is what the judge likes. Also not everyone wants their dog to run next to them on a slack lead, not just GSDs, i have seen many different dogs of varying breeds at the end of their lead - so it is not just a GSD thing. A judge should be able to pick a good dog, one that fits the standard by watching it move. I have not seen a GSD at an All breeds show that i have been at that have been lunging and tripped up their handlers. Edited August 30, 2011 by Flaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyspazz Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) There is a difference between pulling out in front a bit and being completley uncontrolable! I also agree that i haven't seen a compleltly unmanageable GSD in the allbreeds ring. Where we prefer the specailties in this household, we've done a few all breeds shows....i have been told at least a couple of times by all breeds judges to let my boy have more lead and let him move in front! Most recent was on Sunday at Hamilton KC!! Edited August 30, 2011 by tommyspazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaves Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 There is a difference between pulling out in front a bit and being completley uncontrolable! There is, but that is not just limited to GSDs being uncontrollable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugL Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I only show my boy in All Breeds (he is not specialist style). We have gone through to In Show a few times. But, as with any dog, showing is all about the judge's opinion. If they like your dog, they will put it up. If they don't, someone else will get it. Bottom line is that if you like the judge's opinion, enter under them again. If not, don't. Either way, enjoy spending a day out with your dog and catching up with like-minded people. If you win, it's a bonus. Give it a try and good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockets Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) A good GSD will do well in both rings, but again its dependant on the judges. A lot of times there are many lovely dogs in the line up's, all very worthy of being there and it comes down to the judges opinion on the day :)never be disheartened if your Best of Breed win goes no further as it is hard for a judge to choose between so many equally lovely animals Anglesun - I have to disagree with you on the "uncontrollable, hocks touching the ground" part, I have been up at the last 2 Albury Shows and all judges commented that they are a working breed and built to move and preferred them on the end of a lead pulling out and there were many fine examples there, who were strong in hock and body and who did move well at the walk and the gait and were awarded accordingly Interestingly enough my bitch went 3 x BIG and 2 X BIS at the recent Albury shows Sometimes it is disappointing when a Good example of the breed gets dumped to an inferior example, because its that judges "type" ...regardless of what the judge thinks a GSD should look like, its what the Standard says this is why many people do not show GSD's in the all breeds rings. I will continue to show my dogs in the all breeds rings as its a good day out with the dogs, enjoyable and there are judges that do appreciate a correct example of a GSD Edited August 31, 2011 by Pockets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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