anna Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) My sister has a 5-month-old Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Unfortunately despite my hounding her (excuse the pun) to go to a registered breeder, this pup came from an ad in the Trading Post and has no papers. Apparently the sire has papers. As the pup gets older, she looks less and less like a Stafford to my (completely untrained) eye, so we were hoping to get some insight from anyone who knows the breed better than I do. Sister is often approached by Stafford owners at the park and obedience training who ask about her pup and are surprised when they're told she is pure bred. With the talk of crackdowns on dangerous (looking) dogs, we're worried that this dog may come under some scrutiny, especially in the council my sister lives in. She has the classic Stafford scream (sounds like a pig being slaughtered ) and I guess she and I are worried that this might draw attention from concerned neighbours who perceive her to be a dangerous dog. It would be great to have a plan of attack (ugh, pun again!) should this happen. Below are a couple of photos of her. She is very leggy and lean, and at least a couple of kilos lighter than the other Staffords of the same age that we do obedience training with. Thanks so much for your insight. Edited August 23, 2011 by anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chezy Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I can't help with what u want, but she is cute as a button :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anna Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 She is definitely very, very cute! We all adore her, that's the main reason for my question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Kelpie x staffy? Best advice for your sister is to socialise the dog, train it, keep it well walked and mentally exercised (less likely to bother the neighbours then) and have very secure fencing with locks on all fences (so no one can let the dog out and then it gets picked up by the council). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 If the sire has papers and is available, you can DNA test the puppy for parentage. That will link the puppy to a pedigree dog with papers. But it would require the consent of the sires owner and a DNA swab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickasyoucan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 My sister has a 5-month-old Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Unfortunately despite my hounding her (excuse the pun) to go to a registered breeder, this pup came from an ad in the Trading Post and has no papers. Apparently the sire has papers. As the pup gets older, she looks less and less like a Stafford to my (completely untrained) eye, so we were hoping to get some insight from anyone who knows the breed better than I do. Sister is often approached by Stafford owners at the park and obedience training who ask about her pup and are surprised when they're told she is pure bred. With the talk of crackdowns on dangerous (looking) dogs, we're worried that this dog may come under some scrutiny, especially in the council my sister lives in. She has the classic Stafford scream (sounds like a pig being slaughtered ) and I guess she and I are worried that this might draw attention from concerned neighbours who perceive her to be a dangerous dog. It would be great to have a plan of attack (ugh, pun again!) should this happen. Below are a couple of photos of her. She is very leggy and lean, and at least a couple of kilos lighter than the other Staffords of the same age that we do obedience training with. Thanks so much for your insight. She looks a lot like my dog in my avatar, though he has one rose and one half prick ear rather than the flying nun look. :D I had him bitsa tested came back secondary staffordshire bull terrier and border collie. We had thought stafford x kelpie as he does the herding dog stalk and has other similar behavioural traits. A lot of people don't rate the BITSA though, but I kind of got what I expected. I would hazard if your dog was in the pound it would be labelled a staffy x, though it's hard to see size. My boy is about 17 kg but more leggy than a stafford and definitely has the longer muzzle that your dog has. You could either DNA as RSG has suggested or BITSA, that would at least give you something to show that you had her genetically tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee lee Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 What is she registered and microchipped as? AFAIK, as long as she is registered with council as a Staffordshire terrier (or even x kelpie or whatever) she should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 What is she registered and microchipped as? AFAIK, as long as she is registered with council as a Staffordshire terrier (or even x kelpie or whatever) she should be fine. Not in Vic! Many pitbull type dogs are registered as staffy x's to get around laws. That said, she looks kelpie and staffy "ish", so she should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee lee Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 What is she registered and microchipped as? AFAIK, as long as she is registered with council as a Staffordshire terrier (or even x kelpie or whatever) she should be fine. Not in Vic! Many pitbull type dogs are registered as staffy x's to get around laws. That said, she looks kelpie and staffy "ish", so she should be fine. The same happens in NSW, but I assume that by having them legally registered as staffy x that they would be protected from the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 What is she registered and microchipped as? AFAIK, as long as she is registered with council as a Staffordshire terrier (or even x kelpie or whatever) she should be fine. Not in Vic! Many pitbull type dogs are registered as staffy x's to get around laws. That said, she looks kelpie and staffy "ish", so she should be fine. The same happens in NSW, but I assume that by having them legally registered as staffy x that they would be protected from the law? Nope. It means nothing. After all, I could register my poodle x mini schnauzer as a staffy x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Not in NSW either Dee Lee microchip means zilch. If an ACO sees the dog and thinks it's a pit bull it has to go through the process and they will try to declare it restricted. At least we have a process here, but in Vic it will mean the dog is destroyed Edited August 23, 2011 by melzawelza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee lee Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickasyoucan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Just as an anecdote when my boss wanted to register his lab with Mosman Council they needed to sight the dog before they would register it. Presumably that is to get around people not registering dogs as what they really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Just as an anecdote when my boss wanted to register his lab with Mosman Council they needed to sight the dog before they would register it. Presumably that is to get around people not registering dogs as what they really are. I'd like to see ANKC or WDR papers sighted, before any dog is registered as a particular breed. Take your ANKC papers, with corrspeonding chip to the council office and your dog is registered with it's pedigree name ( which only exists once ) , call name and breed. The rest are registered as " black cross bred " brown cross bred etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I don't mean to take this off topic but does anyone know how big a dog (weight wise) would have to be before a ranger would be highly unlikely to label it an APDT as a result, regardless of other characteristics? Hope that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickasyoucan Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Just as an anecdote when my boss wanted to register his lab with Mosman Council they needed to sight the dog before they would register it. Presumably that is to get around people not registering dogs as what they really are. I'd like to see ANKC or WDR papers sighted, before any dog is registered as a particular breed. Take your ANKC papers, with corrspeonding chip to the council office and your dog is registered with it's pedigree name ( which only exists once ) , call name and breed. The rest are registered as " black cross bred " brown cross bred etc. I'd not have a problem with that with the proviso you would probably have to qualify it with small, medium or large crossbreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I think it really depends on the individual ranger Cos. I have had dealings with so so many in my line of work and it really varies. Some will only if it has a red nose, some will do anything amstaff size/weight/physique. Which one of your dogs are you worried about? After meeting them I would think any ranger with half a brain would-be sily to try and classify any of them as an APBT. problem is a lot of Them don't even have half a brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Dexter and Georgie melz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I really wouldn't think anyone would go after them Cos, I would say they much closely fit the bull Arab type than the put bull type, definitely due to their height like you said and even their markings. It'd have to be a really dumb ranger to think they were pits, but I guess we don't know how far the hysteria will go. I say you're in the 'very unlikely but you never Know' category Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Dexter and Georgie melz. They don't have red noses and neither looks really powerful so I'm sure they'd be safe. That and the fact that they're so well trained I doubt they'd ever even get a second look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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