twoblackdogs Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) I live in the Salisbury Council area and when they first offered the Discount for Trained Dogs, I took my Pedigree Certificates in showing they had gained a CD Title in Obedience. They had no Idea at first what that was but after explaining to them that my dogs were Trained to Level 5 and had successfully passed at least 3 trials to attain the Title they granted the Discount. The Discount applies for the life of the Dog. Puppy Pre School would only cover the very basic new puppy behaviour issues. I would think most council's would NOT accept this as sufficient evidence that your dog is Trained. There are Dog Training Clubs/Organisations out there that are Not Affiliated to Dogs SA. Just make sure that they can provide a certificate once the dog has reached a certain level of Training to satisfy your Council's requirements to get the discount. Most dogs would take at least 12 mths to attain this level of Training unless you really put in the hard yards. Edited August 21, 2011 by twoblackdogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Hi Ness I think linking the authorities up with a video would work better. And you could use your other dog for the aggression test since the test doesn't specify which dog sitting quietly with handler. The system is a little nuts. But they are trying to get at least one independent assessment of the dog's abilities which I think is a fair thing. What if the obedience school was killer attack dog. Not sure I'd want those dog to get a discount on rego. And plenty of the dog clubs allow for dog aggressive dogs, that are otherwise well behaved. Ie ones that would fail the last test. I know quite a few that have titles. And I wouldn't want my dog to greet them. She does keep forgetting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 12 months training to heel 5 meters, sit within 3 attempts, recall on lead 1m within 3 attempts, 10 second stay on lead? I know young puppies that can reliably do that and not just those with experienced handlers. I do like the trained dog discount idea but expected when they said grade 3 obedience that the expectations would be greater. I would have thought the recall should have been at least 10m on a long line to really be a recall. And it is the thing that creates most problems out and about - people unable to call dog back away from others. So even better would be 10m recall with distractions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 12 months training to heel 5 meters, sit within 3 attempts, recall on lead 1m within 3 attempts, 10 second stay on lead? I know young puppies that can reliably do that and not just those with experienced handlers. I was thinking the same thing! My puppy could do that probably 2 weeks after she came home, and I'm not an experienced handler. I find it an interesting concept in general, as I know lots of dogs who have had a lot of training but have unaddressed behavioural issues, or whose owners think because they are 'trained' they can do whatever they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 When my girl was a puppy she had her certificate by 6 months old. I took it into the council who proceeded to tell me it was impossible for her to be able to do all that at her age. She was in the car so I got her out and proved it! So I got my trained dog discount. I have noticed however this year (she is now 4) that it has come off her rego...I can't be bothered going through the drama for the extra $4. I do know however that to get the certificate you will have to do more than puppy pre-school. You will have to go to another training school. Ness' recommendation of Canine Behavioural School is a good one or since you're in Burnside 'Adelaide Pet Dog Training' do classes on Sunday mornings in Burnside. You will be able to get your certificate through one of these organisations (so long as your dog passes) and have a well mannered pet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 12 months training to heel 5 meters, sit within 3 attempts, recall on lead 1m within 3 attempts, 10 second stay on lead? I know young puppies that can reliably do that and not just those with experienced handlers. I do like the trained dog discount idea but expected when they said grade 3 obedience that the expectations would be greater. I would have thought the recall should have been at least 10m on a long line to really be a recall. And it is the thing that creates most problems out and about - people unable to call dog back away from others. So even better would be 10m recall with distractions. On the council training certificate it doesn't say anywhere anything about 12 months training to heel 5 metres. There is no timeframe on how long it can take your dog to achieve these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 kiesha I think she was referring to a previous poster who said it would take most dogs at least 12 months to attain that level of proficiency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Oh thanks Wuffles - wasn't sure who said it but did want to clear it up as there is a certain amount of confusion regarding this. Personally I think the level of competency of a 'trained' dog is a bit of a joke. This to me is not a trained dog... * stay for 10 seconds * walk at heel for 5 metres * recall to handler from a distance of 1 metre and within 3 commands * sit - within 3 commands (or down or stand depending on dog ability eg greyhounds don't have to sit) * not aggressive when 2 metres from a dog which is sitting quietly with its handler As others have said, my puppy could have done all this 2 weeks after she arrived. I'm no amazing trainer either. The majority of dogs out there are pet dogs but I think they should at least be able to be recalled from a group of dogs...ie at the park. In all offlead parks owners should have their dog under 'effective control' so should at least have to show this to be certified as 'trained'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 so kiesha do you pass if your dog won't leave your side to go and play in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 so kiesha do you pass if your dog won't leave your side to go and play in the first place. What if your dog goes to ANYONE that calls 'come' while playing, even if they've never met them before in their lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 the CBS recall was "fun" you were suppose to unclip the lead in an informal sense wander around until the dog was momentarily distracted and then call them. Kenz's version - hmmm I unclipped the lead she starts bouncing at me wanting to play and waiting for a toy. When that didn't work within 2-3 minutes she starts offering tricks for me. After another couple of minutes we gave up waiting for distracted and I just reattached her lead and class continued . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Kiesha It's not much of an effort in dog training to me either, but it is amazing how many dogs I meet that couldn't do that list at all on lead or not. When I call my dog, i often get about six dogs lined up. I feel like Victoria Stillwell. It's been a lifesaver for one little dog with small dog syndrome - who likes to rush and confront much bigger dogs. I call him and he turns 180 and comes at high speed. If only my own dog was that reliable. Sigh. She's nearly there but not as good as the little one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 so kiesha do you pass if your dog won't leave your side to go and play in the first place. :p Nope you fail for not even needing a recall (that makes other instructors very jealous!!!) :nahnah: the CBS recall was "fun" you were suppose to unclip the lead in an informal sense wander around until the dog was momentarily distracted and then call them. Kenz's version - hmmm I unclipped the lead she starts bouncing at me wanting to play and waiting for a toy. When that didn't work within 2-3 minutes she starts offering tricks for me. After another couple of minutes we gave up waiting for distracted and I just reattached her lead and class continued . Mine was "fun" too. Chip wouln't leave the instructors side because he knew her and knew she had really tasty treats that she saved only for him for his 'sit for polite greeting' because she knew just how hard he had to control himself for that. So he just sat there in front of her. She sure had built up value! Kiesha It's not much of an effort in dog training to me either, but it is amazing how many dogs I meet that couldn't do that list at all on lead or not. When I call my dog, i often get about six dogs lined up. I feel like Victoria Stillwell. It's been a lifesaver for one little dog with small dog syndrome - who likes to rush and confront much bigger dogs. I call him and he turns 180 and comes at high speed. If only my own dog was that reliable. Sigh. She's nearly there but not as good as the little one. I agree! The majority of people at the park that couldn't do any of it. It's one of those things where your damned if you do and damned if you don't. If you make the requirements too hard people won't even bother to try for the 'trained' discount but you make it too easy and the dogs aren't really 'trained'. I still would like to see the level of difficulty increased a bit though. Perhaps you should get more discount for the more trained your dog is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) I would still prefer more "privileges" for a higher trained dog as then I wouldn't have to break any laws to train my dogs in order to avoid the morons out there who seem to think off-leash is a right. As the current situation stands I guess I just have to remain a rule breaker in certain instances if I wish to train my dogs. Edited August 22, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Can you explain Ness? What laws do you have to break to train your dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Kiesha I just so happen to use places which I probably shouldn't ;). Dogs On-lead areas make good places to train UD exercises off-lead . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiesha09 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Oh I getcha... I was thinking something far more sinister hehe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zug Zug Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 At least it gets people into training though. I see a lot of people in our club who stay for their certificate, then go. I figure we have them for a short time and the more we can teach them in that time the better. Our class 1 dogs wouldn't be ready. They can sit, stay etc for short periods, but certainly are not reliable yet in most cases. And the loose lead is usually a work in progress. But yes I agree if you walk in with an OC there should be an easy reference to show them what that actually means, so there is no need to argue the point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zug Zug Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Oops I just read that list in an earlier post. Yes our class 1 dogs would be ready in most cases (dog to dog issue more difficult for some). They come out of class 3 with a higher level of competence than that. Hmm makes me wonder about how much variation there is between clubs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskedaway Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Hmm makes me wonder about how much variation there is between clubs... Depends on the club. For example, I train Halo at two different clubs, and grade 1 at club 1 is the same as grade 2 at club 2. This is because club 1 have a learners level between Puppy and Grade 1. However, by the time dogs have reached grade 4 in both clubs, they're back to the same point again, and grade 5 is trialling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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