Ons Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 have a look at when the griffons are on I know my friend who shows golden retreivers also shows griffons but occassionally has a friend help out with the showing on them, so maybe they do clash not sure. Griffons are great dogs, I'm loving having my little fellow and we have our first show in a couple fo weeks. I'd imagine they would be great for kids as well, mocha just loves everyone. And best of all he isn't daunted by the other four dogs, two being golden retreivers that was a criteria for my show dog. The rough coat is apparently always going to beat a smooth coat I have been told but it's going to be so easy to prepare Mocha for the show ring - quick bath and he is ready! In Europe they are in separate classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayly Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I show in two groups, Aussies are first or second breed in and Irish are about middle of the group. I like having the two different groups but 99% of the time I have a backup to show the Irish if it clashes. Group sometimes clashes, depending on the speed of the judges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 We had the Danes and a Griffon - would always clash Then we had the Danes and a Cairn - would always clash Now the Danes and an Affenpinscher - we should not clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Get your hands on some old catalogues and count how many are in before your breed, and do the same for the other "I would like" breed. Do this over 10 or so shows and you will get an average on weather you are likely to clash or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Daisy Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 Get your hands on some old catalogues and count how many are in before your breed, and do the same for the other "I would like" breed. Do this over 10 or so shows and you will get an average on weather you are likely to clash or not. That's a good idea Sway. Daisy is 9kgs and too heavy for my son to lift onto a table so maybe a breed that is shown on the ground. Does anyone know if Tibetan Spaniels are shown on the ground or on a table? I like the look of them and my son and I have met some lovely ones at shows. He would really love a bulldog and I also like Frenchies, pugs and Bostons (anything that has a flat face, hence why I love my Shih Tzu ) . In the one catalogue I have in front of me, there were 60 dogs before Goldens and 20 dogs from the start of group till the Frenchies were on. That sounds very close considering the rings are on opposite ends of the show ground. I'll have to look at a few more catalogues to get an average though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayly Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Tibbies go on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan of Arc Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 ;) What about a Clumber? I show a clumber and they are beautiful but they are also very strong and if THEY decide THEY are going somewhere I believe a smaller child could struggle to hold them.... What about a westie or smaller... a frenchie or similar.....if the children are going to be showing them and you might get caught in a clash at group times etc why not look at one of the more 'wash N wear' breeds... but in grp 3 you could look at a Brittany... The Clumbers are so cute though :D Especially your's JOA Thanks Gumnut ... right now she's cute because she's asleep... but if you could see the destruction she has wrought outside... well you wouldnt use the word CUTE ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 In the one catalogue I have in front of me, there were 60 dogs before Goldens and 20 dogs from the start of group till the Frenchies were on. That sounds very close considering the rings are on opposite ends of the show ground.I'll have to look at a few more catalogues to get an average though. A judge, judges approx 40 dogs per hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsk Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Another vote for a shetland sheepdog here, they are a great kids dog and are also in the same area as gundogs at Durack. Take it from someone that is stupd enough to do it at Durack dont get a 2nd breed in a group that is away from the area gundogs are in! I have a basenji (group 4) and a sheltie (group 5) and I spend the whole day running from 1 ring to the next. It is absolutely crazy and I find I dont enjoy the day as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Bummer The only other small dog in group 3 are cockers and I don't really want one of those. Maybe we will have to just do one breed one weekend and another breed another weekend. I can't give up the socialising as that's the best part for me. :D Actually that is a good idea, then I can still have my child free show weekends. Looks like two different groups may work out. Daisy, what it is about a Cocker that doesn't appeal, it is the grooming required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullbreedlover Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I still think a springer would be too much for my kids to run, they are shown at a very fast pace. I love clumbers and there are some lovely ones in our group who I admire but they are still rather large. I was looking at smaller breeds under 10kgs. My Shih Tzu is a good size but we don't want the long show coat as we take our dogs everywhere and we live on acerage and there are lots of sticks and things that would get stuck in a long coated dog. Bulldogs arent under 10kgs :D And are very strong. Frenchies average 10 to 12 kilos(sometimes heavier) and are a very front heavy breed to lift onto a table. A Boston would be worth concidering and there are some lovely Bostons out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I think clashes are like murphy's law, especially if you have a breed in the middle of a group. Someone mentioned Whippets, Whippets are one of the most competitive breeds. I'd probably steer clear of them and stick with Dachies if the idea is to encourage him with wins with something manageable in the Hound ring, bearing in mind that Dachies can be stubborn little monkeys. What about a Tentie? It's at least definitely right near the end of the Terrier Group. Or an Aussie at the start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Daisy Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 Tibbies go on the table. Thanks Another vote for a shetland sheepdog here, they are a great kids dog and are also in the same area as gundogs at Durack. Take it from someone that is stupd enough to do it at Durack dont get a 2nd breed in a group that is away from the area gundogs are in! I have a basenji (group 4) and a sheltie (group 5) and I spend the whole day running from 1 ring to the next. It is absolutely crazy and I find I dont enjoy the day as much. That's what I'm worried about. I enjoy relaxing at a show. I will have a look at the shelties next weekend but I recall a couple of times watching them while waiting for my turn in the ring. Daisy, what it is about a Cocker that doesn't appeal, it is the grooming required? No grooming's not a problem I have been a groomer for 14 years :D I had a gold Cocker growing up and she was really full on and not the easiest dog to live with. I'm sure they're not all like that but the reason I love my goldens are how chilled out they are. Bulldogs arent under 10kgs :D And are very strong. Frenchies average 10 to 12 kilos(sometimes heavier) and are a very front heavy breed to lift onto a table. A Boston would be worth concidering and there are some lovely Bostons out there. We had a Boston x a couple of years ago and she was adorable. They call them a clown and Jemica certainly was! I think a Bulldog will be too strong for him but will take him to look at the Frenchies and see how he would go with handling one of them. Maybe a small bitch may be suitable. I think clashes are like murphy's law, especially if you have a breed in the middle of a group. Someone mentioned Whippets, Whippets are one of the most competitive breeds. I'd probably steer clear of them and stick with Dachies if the idea is to encourage him with wins with something manageable in the Hound ring, bearing in mind that Dachies can be stubborn little monkeys. What about a Tentie? It's at least definitely right near the end of the Terrier Group. Or an Aussie at the start? That is another concern and I wish it wasn't. The competitive spirit (shall we call it that? ) I think I will have to suss out other groups too. I have only been showing for just over a year and have been very lucky to make some great friends who have been supportive and congratulatory when I have beaten them as I am of them when they beat me (happens more often than not ) . It makes the day fun when you can cheer each other on but I know not all breeds are like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asalei Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Beagle? Usually on early, table dog, around the 12 - 14kg mark and easy to handle. Unless they are a stubborn bitch like mine! My girls are very easy going and love routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 I haven't read the other comments, but just want to say I find showing in more than one group really stressful, particularly as it seems always inevitable that they clash... or if they don't clash, their groups clash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Daisy Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 I've seen you've changed your name to your prefix, Asalei. It's really pretty. :D I don't know if a beagle would be too heavy for Connor to lift. Maybe I can bring him over one show and he can try with Abby? We already know the Goldens love Beagles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asalei Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Ahh yes, sorry! It's me :D That's fine, I'm there this weekend if it's not raining if he wants to come over and try. It depends on if you get a dog or bitch. Abby's only 12 kilos.. But say, a grown mature dog can be up to 14kgs or more. I guess he'll be growing with the dog as it grows too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 With two 'G' breeds in two separate groups, we clash all the time. We have to prioritize when this happens....a couple years ago, we were focused on one dog (GSD) and the baby GP therefore stayed in the trailer...this year, our focus is on the GP to finish her title, so the minor GSD stays in the trailer when we have clash issues. We know this when we enter, it's our choice to enter and our gamble that we make it to the ring with both breeds. No biggie really as many times we don't clash and all the dogs get shown. May shows in Albury were tricky with two GSD's in the breed for us, and three GP's and sure enough, both in the ring at exactly the same time! Bit of a juggle, but no one marked absent that weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Daisy Posted August 22, 2011 Author Share Posted August 22, 2011 Thanks Erin, if it's not raining I'll bring Connor. Thanks anglesun. I was thinking if we get another breed for him I would just enter him in some shows and my goldens in others, that way I don't have to worry about us clashing. It is sounding like no one has made the two groups thing work successfully yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_inoz Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Ask Shelties and Danes for her opinion too... Both her children are junior handlers. I don't think they have that many clashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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