OSoSwift Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) all sounds good in theory I vote they enforce the laws already in place. One thing I would like to see though is all puppies to have where they are bred ie who bred them on their chip and it cannot be removed. Then we would know where the dogs in our pounds are coming from. However enforcing microchipping laws already in place would have to happen first. Edited August 19, 2011 by OSoSwift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Sandra777 I disagree that the current driver's license system doesn't work, it's not there to produce expert drivers it's there to ensure that most people getting behind the wheel know the basics of handling a vehicle and driving within the laws, which they generally do when you take into account the sheer volume of vehicles on roads. I was referring more to the numbers who drive without any license at all - which is pretty high considering the amount of money being thrown at enforcing the law in this area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Sandra777 I disagree that the current driver's license system doesn't work, it's not there to produce expert drivers it's there to ensure that most people getting behind the wheel know the basics of handling a vehicle and driving within the laws, which they generally do when you take into account the sheer volume of vehicles on roads. I was referring more to the numbers who drive without any license at all - which is pretty high considering the amount of money being thrown at enforcing the law in this area! True, but I would think that the numbers are small compared to the numbers of licensed drivers, and the reason many go uncaught is because nearly everyone has at least done the learner's test so has a basic idea of the road rules, which is the main objective of the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I think we need a licensing system, it need only be a basic one. The current system is flawed as currently there is no requirement to know anything about dogs or the existing laws pertaining to them in order to own one. That needs to change. Sandra777 I disagree that the current driver's license system doesn't work, it's not there to produce expert drivers it's there to ensure that most people getting behind the wheel know the basics of handling a vehicle and driving within the laws, which they generally do when you take into account the sheer volume of vehicles on roads. Of course without enforcement it means nothing but don't worry enforcement will come make no mistake about that, that is why the dog community needs to have a say in what exactly that enforcement will entail. I don't know whether I agree with home checks as I've noticed that many rescues etc require a 6 foot fence which I don't have even though I have no trouble keeping my dogs in. I think the desexing and breeding issues should also be left out of the equation at the moment, they could be a part of the study material in terms of education but should have no specific rules attached to them. I also think that a basic animal care and management course should be a part of the school cirriculum, it would be easy to implement in the primary school system where kids do a range of compulsory subjects before specialising in high school. Education will be the key factor in all these but the education should be compulsory before obtaining an animal. Yes i agree with this.Especially Education programs for kids;need the same for adults in the community too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarracully Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I also think that a basic animal care and management course should be a part of the school cirriculum, it would be easy to implement in the primary school system where kids do a range of compulsory subjects before specialising in high school. Education will be the key factor in all these but the education should be compulsory before obtaining an animal. Wont hold my breath for this one. The school cirriculum already has more in it than they have time to deliver. So something like this surely won't get a look in. Driver education classes such as in America will be brought in well before Animal care is. While I think both are worthy suggestions I doubt either will occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Here in Victoria many secondary schools have driver education programs.Some schools also attend animal shelters and take part in workshops as part of excursion programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Yeah I think it's worth trying to really push for it, it won't take more than a semester to teach the absolute basics of responsible pet ownership. As for adults well if licensing were to be brought in a basic one day course would probably be enough to brush up on the 'need to know' stuff, a bit like a first aid course, most people can manage that easily enough. I would hazard a guess that a large proportion of dog owners know very little about nutrition, basic veterinary care, off leash laws, dangerous dog laws etc. Hell I couldn't even tell you what the leash laws are in my local area. Why? Because I've never needed to know or been motivated enough to find out. Similarly Joe Bloggs who feeds his dog Pal and leaves the gate open all the time probably isn't that motivated to know them either if the lack of knowing has never adversely affected him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobite Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 No I don't think this is a good idea. We already live in a Nanny State and we don't need any more rules and regulations. Pam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 No I don't think this is a good idea. We already live in a Nanny State and we don't need any more rules and regulations. Pam Yeah but don't you think that it's a problem that at the moment you can buy an animal without knowing anything about them? Without knowing anything about their nutrition or exercise requirements or even their obligations under the law? I think that's a really signficant problem which not only contributes to things like dog attacks but to significant animal welfare issues as well. I know people who know nothing about worming, parvo etc until their dog gets sick, if the dog doesn't get sick they remain in blissful ignorance. They don't learn until they have to learn, and sometimes it's too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganman Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 No way theres enough rules and regs now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Hi I agree with lots of what is being said - if the laws now were enforced, we hopefully wouldn't have these issues. I would like to see every owner of a dog - regardless of what breed, apply for a licence before purchasing a dog and getting rid of all internet ads for dogs and puppies (make it harder for the byb to sell their goods) and pet shops, and only being allowed to purchase from a registered breeder or from a rescue organisation. Given that the majority of these dogs in the wrong hands are from the lower socio economic groups etc, I would like to see the govennment ban anyone who lives in council and/or govt housing not allowed to have a dog or particular breeds of dogs. I will probably get flamed for this, but you don't see these issues in Mosman, Toorak etc - if anyone in those suburbs had these dogs, I bet they are reasonably trained, responsible owners etc. Whenever I see these things in the media, the backgrounds from where these dogs come from and the people that own them, you really have to wonder if they are capable of owning a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Given that the majority of these dogs in the wrong hands are from the lower socio economic groups etc, I would like to see the govennment ban anyone who lives in council and/or govt housing not allowed to have a dog or particular breeds of dogs. I will probably get flamed for this, but you don't see these issues in Mosman, Toorak etc - if anyone in those suburbs had these dogs, I bet they are reasonably trained, responsible owners etc. Whenever I see these things in the media, the backgrounds from where these dogs come from and the people that own them, you really have to wonder if they are capable of owning a dog. You're kidding, right? I grew up in Mosman and I can tell you now, it doesnt matter how expensive some suburbs are, it does NOT make for more responsible dog owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Given that the majority of these dogs in the wrong hands are from the lower socio economic groups etc, I would like to see the govennment ban anyone who lives in council and/or govt housing not allowed to have a dog or particular breeds of dogs. I will probably get flamed for this, but you don't see these issues in Mosman, Toorak etc - if anyone in those suburbs had these dogs, I bet they are reasonably trained, responsible owners etc. Whenever I see these things in the media, the backgrounds from where these dogs come from and the people that own them, you really have to wonder if they are capable of owning a dog. You're kidding, right? I grew up in Mosman and I can tell you now, it doesnt matter how expensive some suburbs are, it does NOT make for more responsible dog owners. No not kidding and I also grew up and still am there - you just don't see these types of incidents with these types of dogs - yes you see the idiots with those designer oodle dogs, but you don't see the bully type breeds in the hands of irresponsible owners. The professionals (lawyers, bankers etc) no the legalities if anything goes wrong - you'd be hardpressed to see a dog wandering the streets in these suburbs, in fact, I can't tell you the last time a saw a dog roaming. While they may not all have well trained dogs, they contain them properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 That's funny. I was in Mosman yesterday and was astounded at how many roaming dogs I saw, not to mention seeing people who couldnt even be bothered picking up their own dogs' shit. Sorry love but your need to discriminate on dog ownership because of suburb is ludicrous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 And I read out your post to my husband. He also grew up in Mosman. He did this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) And I read out your post to my husband. He also grew up in Mosman. He did this That's fine - you can laugh all you like, but I bet it will get to the point in the future where landlords won't allow dogs unless you can prove you are a responsible dog owner - government and councils will crack down on this and private landlords will to (there are many landlords now that won't allow dogs) - the anti dog lobby is very strong. Explain to me then why I haven't seen or read an article of areas of high socio economic status where a bully breed has attacked and/or killed someone - please show me these articles. I'm not saying that the owners and dogs in these areas are angels, but they have a better understanding and understand the legalities. I would hate to see a climate where only those who own their homes were allowed a dog - that's not what dog ownership is about. Owning a dog is meant to be a joyful experience (trying at times), but nevertheless a good experience. Edited August 20, 2011 by Adnil444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I would hate to see a climate where only those who own their homes were allowed a dog Look at your opening post and see how you came across. You said you'd get flamed. Major flamage happening now. How many millions you spend on a house does not equate to responsible dog ownership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I would hate to see a climate where only those who own their homes were allowed a dog Look at your opening post and see how you came across. You said you'd get flamed. Major flamage happening now. How many millions you spend on a house does not equate to responsible dog ownership No agree - but IQ does. BTW being a responsible dog owner did you report to Mosman Council all those roaming dogs that you saw? As a responsible dog owner I'm sure you did. And I know Mosman Council will pursue any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 No I don't think this is a good idea. We already live in a Nanny State and we don't need any more rules and regulations. Pam Yeah but don't you think that it's a problem that at the moment you can buy an animal without knowing anything about them? Without knowing anything about their nutrition or exercise requirements or even their obligations under the law? I think that's a really signficant problem which not only contributes to things like dog attacks but to significant animal welfare issues as well. I know people who know nothing about worming, parvo etc until their dog gets sick, if the dog doesn't get sick they remain in blissful ignorance. They don't learn until they have to learn, and sometimes it's too late. You can say exactly the same things about people becoming parents! IMO the most important decision any person can make. Maybe if we start back there then a lot of our problems as a society would go away. The fact is we as dog owners/breeders are over legislated now and those laws already in place are not policed. Adding more laws to make the pollies, law makers and emotional public feel good will do jack shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 No agree - but IQ does. IQ doesnt equate to responsible dog ownership either. It doesnt take too many brain cells to tell the nanny to walk Portia up and down The Esplanade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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