Sunrise

[Teebs]

Anyone else watching?

"Pittys should be destroyed", "pits are as dangerous as a lion", "get rid of them all"

"Ban them, they are awful things"

Here we go again

I know what happened to that little girl was a shocking horrible thing (thats why i started a new thread) , but when are people going to start looking at the owners and not the breeds?

[DaisyDog]

Having that same thing with people on the eBay forum. the media said it's a pitbull, so it must be.

[rep628]

Sunrise makes me sick, they did this a while ago and fortunately had Michael Linke on who shut Koshi up properly.

I have no time for that channel. I download shows intentionally off the internet they air to avoid supporting them in any way, shape or form. Apparently Channel 10 is going to start up a morning show not unlike the 7pm project. With more knowledgeable presenters from a varying facets of society - I know who will get my ratings. Sunrise will get a letter from me saying as much.

On the other hand, here's the link to ABC News, yet another rational media outlet.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-17/dog-kills-melbourne-toddler/2844178

Apparently police can be quoted as saying, "pitbull crossed with something else".

Well, who truly know what the hell kind of dog it actually was then. It'll sound biased, but I've seen some horribly bred BYB english staffys(or bull arabs or god knows what), that if they showed up in a pound in N. America, we wouldn't call them English Staffys.

Such a horrible, horrible incident. That poor, poor child. The dog was at large, and I'm sure intact - when will people learn?

[Kirislin]

Sunrise makes me sick, they did this a while ago and fortunately had Michael Linke on who shut Koshi up properly.

I have no time for that channel. I download shows intentionally off the internet they air to avoid supporting them in any way, shape or form. Apparently Channel 10 is going to start up a morning show not unlike the 7pm project. With more knowledgeable presenters from a varying facets of society - I know who will get my ratings. Sunrise will get a letter from me saying as much.

On the other hand, here's the link to ABC News, yet another rational media outlet.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-17/dog-kills-melbourne-toddler/2844178

Apparently police can be quoted as saying, "pitbull crossed with something else".

Well, who truly know what the hell kind of dog it actually was then. It'll sound biased, but I've seen some horribly bred BYB english staffys(or bull arabs or god knows what), that if they showed up in a pound in N. America, we wouldn't call them English Staffys.

Such a horrible, horrible incident. That poor, poor child. The dog was at large, and I'm sure intact - when will people learn?

Never, it seems.

[BC4ME]

The morning show on Channel 9 are saying the same thing, ban the breed because they are viscious.

I was very disappointed when Steve Austin agreed that the breed should be banned but he did go on to say that owners should take more responsibility.

[oakway]

Unfortunately this type of attack is becoming more frequent in Australia and many of these attacks are of the Pit Bull type.

Now wheather these are Pit Bulls, direct crosses or lesser dirivitives of the breed it always seems to lead back to the Pit Bull.

Now this is anobservation only, we can have dog attacks, but it is becoming more apparent that with this type of dog, the attacks are becoming more frequent.

I have always said that WE have owner problems NOT dog problems, but with this type of dog that been bred specifically for fighting, we may just have an animal that maybe predisposed to attack when not under full control.

I can see in the not to far future that a call will be made to ban any dog with a Pit Bull heritage.

[poodlefan]

Unfortunately this type of attack is becoming more frequent in Australia and many of these attacks are of the Pit Bull type.

Now wheather these are Pit Bulls, direct crosses or lesser dirivitives of the breed it always seems to lead back to the Pit Bull.

Now this is anobservation only, we can have dog attacks, but it is becoming more apparent that with this type of dog, the attacks are becoming more frequent.

I have always said that WE have owner problems NOT dog problems, but with this type of dog that been bred specifically for fighting, we may just have an animal that maybe predisposed to attack when not under full control.

I can see in the not to far future that a call will be made to ban any dog with a Pit Bull heritage.

The call has already been made. The dogs are banned in most States and all that's done is make them attractive to the kind of knobs who think owning a dog most people are frightened off is "fully sic mate".

Profle the owners and the way they raise their dogs folks.... you'll find the owners have far more in common than the breeds of dogs involved in fatal attacks of this kind.

I'm not oblivious to the fact that powerful dogs with low triggers to aggression and low bite inhibition present more of a risk to the community than some others. But that alone does not equal a child killer. You have to look at the combination of genetics, socialisation and experience to find out what makes a killer dog.

Edited August 17, 2011 by poodlefan

[oakway]

Unfortunately this type of attack is becoming more frequent in Australia and many of these attacks are of the Pit Bull type.

Now wheather these are Pit Bulls, direct crosses or lesser dirivitives of the breed it always seems to lead back to the Pit Bull.

Now this is anobservation only, we can have dog attacks, but it is becoming more apparent that with this type of dog, the attacks are becoming more frequent.

I have always said that WE have owner problems NOT dog problems, but with this type of dog that been bred specifically for fighting, we may just have an animal that maybe predisposed to attack when not under full control.

I can see in the not to far future that a call will be made to ban any dog with a Pit Bull heritage.

The call has already been made. The dogs are banned in most States and all that's done is make them attractive to the kind of knobs who think owning a dog most people are frightened off is "fully sic mate".

Profle the owners and the way they raise their dogs folks.... you'll find the owners have far more in common than the breeds of dogs involved in fatal attacks of this kind.

I was trying to be polite and not enrage the owners of the breed and start another us verses them discussion over Pit Bulls.

If you want it in cold hard words here it is.

Always remember you are dealing with the Australian Public not the Dog World.

If something is not done to curtail this type of event ever happening again, I can see in the near future a TOTAL ban Australia wide on the breed. I believe it could include total eradication.

This ban may never come from me or you (dog people in general) but will come from the Australian public.

Please remember I have not denegrated the breed in any way what so ever. I am only relaying what the average Australian is saying.

[poodlefan]

[quote name='oakway' timestamp='1313623565' post='5454331'I was trying to be polite and not enrage the owners of the breed and start another us verses them discussion over Pit Bulls.

If you want it in cold hard words here it is.

Always remember you are dealing with the Australian Public not the Dog World. {/quote]

If something is not done to curtail this type of event ever happening again, I can see in the near future a TOTAL ban Australia wide on the breed. I believe it could include total eradication.

This ban may never come from me or you (dog people in general) but will come from the Australian public.

Please remember I have not denegrated the breed in any way what so ever. I am only relaying what the average Australian is saying.

I think the Australian Public deserves to know that these kinds of incidents are largely predictable and largely preventable. Their best interests are not served by suggesting that certain kinds of dogs are inherently dangerous because the corollory to that is the suggestion that certain breeds of dogs are inherently "safe".

And if we cannot rely on journo's to report factually and to talk to experts in this area (and we can't) then its up to "dog people" to at least try to inject some facts into this hysteria.

Like it or not statistically the greatest risk to any child comes from the dog they live with. This is a terrible and tragic incident but statistically it is uncommon and when you write it off to "that dreadful breed" you put thousands of kids in harms way.

Educate, educate, educate. And throw the book at any dog owner that fails to raise or manage a dog to prevent it becoming a danger to society.

Anyone who doubts that is can work should Google "Calgary" and "pitbull"... the results speak for themselves.

Edited August 17, 2011 by poodlefan

[RallyValley]

There are similar comments being sent into the Today show by viewers. One was 'Why don't these people think the lives of children are more important then their breed?' and other inflammatory type statements.

[Cosmolo]

It scares me a great deal that we may end up in a situation where council start rounding up dogs.. How will they decide who is and isn't a pitbull.

[chicko]

i saw this as well and made me sick..and i agree cosmolo

[Brennan's Mum]

[quote name='oakway' timestamp='1313623565' post='5454331'I was trying to be polite and not enrage the owners of the breed and start another us verses them discussion over Pit Bulls.

If you want it in cold hard words here it is.

Always remember you are dealing with the Australian Public not the Dog World. {/quote]

If something is not done to curtail this type of event ever happening again, I can see in the near future a TOTAL ban Australia wide on the breed. I believe it could include total eradication.

This ban may never come from me or you (dog people in general) but will come from the Australian public.

Please remember I have not denegrated the breed in any way what so ever. I am only relaying what the average Australian is saying.

I think the Australian Public deserves to know that these kinds of incidents are largely predictable and largely preventable. Their best interests are not served by suggesting that certain kinds of dogs are inherently dangerous because the corollory to that is the suggestion that certain breeds of dogs are inherently "safe".

And if we cannot rely on journo's to report factually and to talk to experts in this area (and we can't) then its up to "dog people" to at least try to inject some facts into this hysteria.

Like it or not statistically the greatest risk to any child comes from the dog they live with. This is a terrible and tragic incident but statistically it is uncommon and when you write it off to "that dreadful breed" you put thousands of kids in harms way.

Educate, educate, educate. And throw the book at any dog owner that fails to raise or manage a dog to prevent it becoming a danger to society.

Anyone who doubts that is can work should Google "Calgary" and "pitbull"... the results speak for themselves.

Once again Poodlefan--you have said it well.

My friends kid brother was attacked by a dog ( not mentioning the breed) at his friends 8th birthday party. The dog was the family dog, and the parents had let it wander at will around a dozen or so 8 year old boys ( plus their 3 other children) whilst the party was going around. Chad had gone to pat it and ended up with a bite to his face which required a few bouts of surgery.

A situation which could have been avoided had the dog been kept seperate from the party. However, the parents assumed it was fine because 'it's a family dog' and had been raised in their home with their 3 children.

[Linda K]

Cosmolo, you are eerily right on the target - our minister here in Vic has just held a press conference, saying the breed will be banned, and councils will be given more funding to help them do searchs, checking fr unregistered dogs, and be able to round up these dogs, and that there will be a dangerous dogs hotline that will enable people to ring up and dob in a dangerous dog.

[Matthew_B]

Anyone else watching?

"Pittys should be destroyed", "pits are as dangerous as a lion", "get rid of them all"

"Ban them, they are awful things"

Here we go again

I know what happened to that little girl was a shocking horrible thing (thats why i started a new thread) , but when are people going to start looking at the owners and not the breeds?

Unfortunately, it IS the breed. They have been bred to fight over many, many years. It is imprinted into their genetics in the same way Retrievers were bred to fetch their masters' ducks, etc when hunting. No one, and I don't care how much of an expert they claim to be, but no one can control these dogs and stop them from attacking when they want to.

[poodlefan]

Unfortunately, it IS the breed. They have been bred to fight over many, many years. It is imprinted into their genetics in the same way Retrievers were bred to fetch their masters' ducks, etc when hunting. No one, and I don't care how much of an expert they claim to be, but no one can control these dogs and stop them from attacking when they want to.

APBTs were bred to fight DOGS. A dog that could not be handled by humans in the figtting pit was culled.

Retrievers top the bite statistics in Canada. Shall we now ban those too?

[gillbear]

It scares me a great deal that we may end up in a situation where council start rounding up dogs.. How will they decide who is and isn't a pitbull.

I can see it being a case of the burden of proof falling to the owner to be able to prove that the dog isnt pitbull. no DNA or registration = no dog.

[B-Q]

Oh god this makes me so sad. I don't know how you get it through to people!

Honestly, the amount of good quality, actually purebred APBT's left in Australia would be so small that I don't think you can be blaming the breed at all. Most of these "pit bull" attacks are probably nothing more than some poorly bred, BYB bully type that someone got because they wanted a "pit bull" without relising what sort of dog this is or the responsibilities that come with owning one. My mum always talked about owning a bully breed and having to think ahead for them, they are great dogs but they live very much in the moment and you have to protect them from themselves to a certain degree.

Australians are wildley uneducated in dogs, why can't we relise its got more to do with this than X - Breed.

[Sandra777]

Unfortunately, it IS the breed. They have been bred to fight over many, many years. It is imprinted into their genetics in the same way Retrievers were bred to fetch their masters' ducks, etc when hunting. No one, and I don't care how much of an expert they claim to be, but no one can control these dogs and stop them from attacking when they want to.

Do you understand the difference between a fighting dog and a badly bred, badly socialisted dog?

Apparently not.

Fighting breeds were bred to fight dogs. They were specifically bred not to be human aggressive because in the fighting ring they were accompanied by their own handler and the handler of the other dog. A fighting dog which attacked the other dog's handler was instantly disqualified and a losing dog almost always ended up dead. A fighting dog which attacked it's own handler or was impossible to manage in kennels between fights would also end up dead. This is a crude but very effective method of selection against human aggression in a breeding programme.

[Linda K]

further update in the news - the amnesty on registering pit bulls will be rescinded as soon as it can be arranged, which means any unregistered ones are therefore deemed illegal and will be able to be seized and destroyed without any recourse available