MonElite Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Hereis an interesting article for MathewB to read and start a campaign to erradicate all horses, then bulls and cows in Australia. Here are some other stats: Human Deaths in Australia Between 1980-1990, Inclusive (from Stevens & Paxton, 1992) Cause of Death Total Deaths Crocodile Attacks 8 Shark Attacks 11 Lightning Strikes 19 Bee Stings 20 Scuba Diving Accidents 88 Drownings/Submersions 3,367 Motor Vehicle Accidents 32,772 Edited August 23, 2011 by MonElite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 And another very informative report HERE Despite all the restrictions etc check out how many people drown in the backyard pool every year, and even in the bath! Should pools be banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Hereis an interesting article for MathewB to read and start a campaign to erradicate all horses, then bulls and cows in Australia. When I was about 14 my horse kicked me in the face, I was very lucky he was still quite young and no shoes or he could have killed me. My face was fractured and had a scar about the size of a 50c piece under my eye and black eyes, it was bloody awful. Only a few weeks later the local Sergent came in to the bakery to tell me that a local girl of similar age was not so lucky, she died soon after. I grew up hearing all the time how dangerous horses were, one of my father relatives was killed from a horse kicking him in the stomach. Actually I know of more accidents from horses than dogs. A friend was almost killed when her horse bolted and she smashed her head on a low bridge, had it not been for the helmet the Dr's said she would have died. I had more than my own share of injuries from horses in almost 20 yrs of having them - have had dogs much longer and never bitten from them. Had a few bites from the horses though. So I suppose we best round up all the gee gees too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experiencedfun Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 need to ban water and electricity..........lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Labradors are not allowed in some US towns. Ontario was trying to ban them as well as other places. Why would that happen to your cuddly family dog?? If you think your breed is immune from BSL you are deluding yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 need to ban water and electricity..........lol And CARS especially!!! Eve the licencing sysem, harsh penalties and all sorts of restrictions do not make driving a car a completly safe experience. In any country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Motor Vehicle Accidents 32,772 In 10 years? Surely not? Where are these stats from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogz4eva Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Know why I don't like the pitbull breed? I was attacked by one. While at a cricket field in the nets doing some batting practice with a mate I was cornered by one of these animals. I tried to walk slowly around it without making any sudden moves, but it blocked my exit from the nets. My mate was lucky enough to climb a fence when he saw the dog coming. I couldn't get out in time. It was barking, snarling, showing its teeth and pinned its ears back - obvious signs of aggression. When it finally made its charge at me, I belted it so hard with my cricket bat that the handle cracked. Luckily for me, the dog limped off very slowly in the opposite direction, bleeding, having decided it was a bad idea to try to attack me after all. The owner was across the street on his verandah watching and laughing until I defended myself. He had the audacity, the arrogance to come and berate me for "assaulting" his dog, saying he was going to "mess me up real good". My mate and I said that if he didn't back off, our first phone call would be to the Police after he met the same side of both our cricket bats as his dog did. He reluctantly backed off, swearing all the way, and once we were safely in the car, we noted the guy's address and reported it to the Police and the local Council. He ended up copping a fairly expensive fine for not having his dangerous dog properly contained in his yard. He also copped a hefty bill from the vet. My mate and I did nothing to provoke that dog - we were just doing cricket practice. These dogs are a menace and have no place in society. Surprise surprise who would have thought you had an axe to grind.So really you werent attcked by a dog becuase you didnt get bitten.I have been attacked by GSD's the only 2 times I hqve ever been bitten in my life so should I campaign for them to be banned?I have nothing against that breed becuase I realise irresponsible owners make problems dogs 9 out of 10 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogz4eva Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp? So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be? OMG! How many times do I have to say it? Yes, any dog can bite - I've said this numerous times. That isn't the point. The point is that pitbulls have been bred as fighting dogs. That makes them an inherently dangerous breed to have around. Labradors, Beagles, Golden Retrievers aren't now, nor have they ever been bred as fighting dogs. They are renowned as 'family' dogs. Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes... What part of human aggression vs animal aggression dont you understand.They were bred to fight other dogs not gladiators at the colloseum. Edited August 23, 2011 by bulldogz4eva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogz4eva Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I can see Matthew's point to a degree. While all breeds can bite, some are bred for temperaments that are likely to become a hazard. Take the bull breeds out of the picture because many people have loving investments in t hem. Let's look at the temperament description for the Mountain Cur, a US landrace that, so far as I know, isn't found in Australia. I don't think this breed should be welcomed to suburban or urban environments. 'Cat' here is likely to mean mountain lion; a 'razor back' is a wild boar. Underlining and colour changes in original. This is not a submissive, easygoing dog. With the toughness and courage to confront a very angry, very large cat, these curs have learned to be decisive and dauntless. Usually silent on the trail, they make consistent guard dogs but certainly are not ideal for suburbia, where there is no call to work. Trailing ability varies with strains, but they have enough nose to follow game and many carry treeing ability. Some lines are bred for tree dogs and others for baying. This very tough large game, raccoon, and squirrel hunter is willing to face a squealing razor back or an angry wild cat when it is cornered. They have a strong desire to please their master. Very protective of the property and family; and without an owner who is more dominant than themselves they can become over-protective. The Mountain Cur is noted for his courage. This hunting dog will catch a mad bull head- on in the nose and will hold his ground even against a bear when threatened. The objective in training this dog is to achieve a pack leader status. It is a natural instinct for a dog to have an order in their pack. When we humans live with dogs, we become their pack. The entire pack cooperates under a single leader. Lines are clearly defined and rules are set. Because a dog communicates his displeasure with growling and eventually biting, all other humans MUST be higher up in the order than the dog. The humans must be the ones making the decisions, not the dogs. That is the only way your relationship with your dog can be a complete success. The Mountain Cur isnt here but the Black Mouth Cur is.It has just been imported not the same dog but similar.Remember the movie old yeller.As usual I think you read too much into a breed description.Do you know what a tree dog or bay dog is.they are terms fromyour country not here.A tree dog is bred to hunt the quarry and tree it so it can be shot they arent holding dogs.A bay dog will trail the quarry and sound off and hold it at bay once again not a holding dog.They are more natural cattle dogs and bred as the quintessential american farm dog in parts of the rural south and yes they can be territorial but lets face it which breed of cattle dog isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuddleDuck Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I've been mauled by a Bassett hound and it took a lot more than a crack with a cricket bat to get it off me. The owner was well aware of it's issues and didn't bother to inform kennel staff when it came in. The dog was a well know sire at the time, but I havent seen levels of Bassett hound attacks rising I can't say I really like the breed personally now (no offense to Bassett lovers) so I wouldn't own one, but I wouldn't treat them any differently to any other unknown dog I meet. I havent read the whole thread so apologies if this point has been made, but Matthew by your logic any genetically identical twins of murderers/rapists/violent criminals should be jailed at the time of their criminal twins conviction.....because obviously they were pre-destined by their breeding alone to be the same way, and it is only a matter of time before the non-criminal twin will commit an offence??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Anne http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/49/Files/IS38_RoadDeathsB.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 The breed needs to be eradicated until it ceases to exist. Simple. It can't attack/kill you if it's extinct. This will be the last piece of Ignorant dribble I read from you, and just for the sake of It, here It Is again In case you selectively missed numerous times before It Is A People Problem...Not a Pit Bull Problem Dogs Are Not BORN Killers They Are Made By Humans Behind every attack there Is some form of human negligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 My "Stafford" I believe to be actually a 1/4 Pitbull. He was not from a rego'd breeder. HE has never been an issue...Why??? because he has been socialised, trained and I have had control over him. HE does not roam. he is not allowed to go up to people willy nilly. He was once harassed for over an hour by a dog trying to pick a fight ( I was not there or would never have jappend) HE finally had enough and slammed it - once only. It backed off, he went happily on his way. Matthew B if it was up to people like you my dog would be killed. Why?? there would be no need, but ebcause he may be 1/4 PIt Bull he deserves to die - I don't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I can see Matthew's point to a degree. While all breeds can bite, some are bred for temperaments that are likely to become a hazard. Take the bull breeds out of the picture because many people have loving investments in t hem. Let's look at the temperament description for the Mountain Cur, a US landrace that, so far as I know, isn't found in Australia. I don't think this breed should be welcomed to suburban or urban environments. 'Cat' here is likely to mean mountain lion; a 'razor back' is a wild boar. Underlining and colour changes in original. This is not a submissive, easygoing dog. With the toughness and courage to confront a very angry, very large cat, these curs have learned to be decisive and dauntless. Usually silent on the trail, they make consistent guard dogs but certainly are not ideal for suburbia, where there is no call to work. Trailing ability varies with strains, but they have enough nose to follow game and many carry treeing ability. Some lines are bred for tree dogs and others for baying. This very tough large game, raccoon, and squirrel hunter is willing to face a squealing razor back or an angry wild cat when it is cornered. They have a strong desire to please their master. Very protective of the property and family; and without an owner who is more dominant than themselves they can become over-protective. The Mountain Cur is noted for his courage. This hunting dog will catch a mad bull head- on in the nose and will hold his ground even against a bear when threatened. The objective in training this dog is to achieve a pack leader status. It is a natural instinct for a dog to have an order in their pack. When we humans live with dogs, we become their pack. The entire pack cooperates under a single leader. Lines are clearly defined and rules are set. Because a dog communicates his displeasure with growling and eventually biting, all other humans MUST be higher up in the order than the dog. The humans must be the ones making the decisions, not the dogs. That is the only way your relationship with your dog can be a complete success. The Mountain Cur isnt here but the Black Mouth Cur is.It has just been imported not the same dog but similar.Remember the movie old yeller.As usual I think you read too much into a breed description.Do you know what a tree dog or bay dog is.they are terms fromyour country not here.A tree dog is bred to hunt the quarry and tree it so it can be shot they arent holding dogs.A bay dog will trail the quarry and sound off and hold it at bay once again not a holding dog.They are more natural cattle dogs and bred as the quintessential american farm dog in parts of the rural south and yes they can be territorial but lets face it which breed of cattle dog isnt. I think breed descriptions should be taken at least as seriously as romantic movies. Temperament differences between breeds are real. Denying them is stupid. In the movie, Old Yeller was played by a Labrador X. Of course I know what a tree dog is, and I once had a neighbor with a pack of 17 bay dogs, making the full moon a notable occasion. I agree, cattle dogs are in some ways equivalent to the larger Curs. Heard plenty of stories of people being bailed up by heelers, and a few about serious damage. They show up in the bite statistics. Yes, other breeds cause problems. The breeds I have, personally, been bitten by are Irish setter, GSD, ridgeback, miniature poodle, and JRT. And in my days running a boarding kennel, heelers, shephards, and bull breeds were the types that required the greatest caution (for some reason, we never had trouble with any of our boarding Rottis . . . probably cause we happened to get a group of responsible Rotti owners). As someone pointed out in another thread, a lot of people agree with Matthew B, probably more than not. I think people who legitimately feel their dogs are threatened by BSL will have better success in defending their right to keep their dogs if they admit that dogs are unequal in both ability and propensity to hurt people and other animals. As I've said elsewhere, 'ban the deed not the breed' isn't a great slogan when the public is up in arms about 'deeds' and want to prevent further deeds. It's a bit late to ban the deed when a child is dead. I don't know the solution, or even if there is a 'solution'. Education sounds wimpy, cause the people who need educating are often the hardest to reach. Owner licensing is another thread in the general discussion, and I don't see a consensus emerging. But I don't think things are going to get better until people stop denying that temperament has a genetic component, and dogs bred for confronting bulls, bears, cougars, wild boar, etc. shouldn't be in the hands of inexperienced or anti-social owners, especially not in the 'burbs. I don't think attacking an individual who is marching to a different drum is constructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Push for harsher dog laws - The Australian 24/8/11 ATTORNEY-GENERAL Robert McClelland will push for national registration laws and tougher penalties to govern the management of dangerous dogs after a four-year-old girl was mauled to death last week. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/push-for-harsher-dog-laws/story-fn59niix-1226120775006 Sigh! S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Also in SMH Toughen up dog laws: Shorten http://www.smh.com.au/national/toughen-up-dog-laws-shorten-20110823-1j8gb.html S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelina Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Well I have to say, if my child was killed in this way I would want some consequences and change to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) While I don't agree with all the laws proposed, there IS a need for changes to dog laws (and not just dangerous ones). The fines for roaming dangerous dogs are pitiful, the fines for roaming dogs that haven't been declared dangerous are even more so. If your dog is out on the street without a leash, make the fine a few thousand dollars. People would rush to build secure fencing very quickly. They'd drop the 'the kids let the dogs out' excuses very quickly and would ensure that the dogs don't get out. If your dog seriously hurts someone you should be charged with assualt. If the kill, manslaughter or second degree murder (if it can be proven that someone didn't socialise their dog to get a more aggressive dog). I don't like how all the law talks have focused on dangerous dogs - those are dogs that have already offended. The man who's dog killed the girl will only get a fine - not good enough. Edited August 24, 2011 by megan_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melzawelza Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 The media just cannot bring themselves to write 'cross' can they??? I will be writing some letters tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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