Child Killed By Dog

[geo]

Good post Melza,

I'd hazard a guess that MatthewB wouldn't be able to identify an APBT, or that the story has been somewhat fabricated to justify his view, but i'll take it at face value.

I'd also bet that he didn't plan on having his own argument turned against him.

MatthewB, i do hope now you have managed to learn a little? I was attacked by a collie whislt playing football, it ran onto the park and latched onto my leg good and proper, (i was 10) I do not however want all collies or farm dogs for that matter removed from society.

Different story altogether. I don't want Collies banned either because they are not a dangerous breed. Please try to keep it sensible! I didn't say I want a ban on all dogs, just dangerous ones like the pitbull.

So you haven't managed to learn a thing, most importantly you haven't managed to learn that banning pitbulls will not reduce dog attacks!!!

I still think you're still making it all up and coming on here just to wind people up, because no-one can be as ignorant as your posts make you out to be.

Edited August 22, 2011 by geo

[Just Andrea]

Know why I don't like the pitbull breed? I was attacked by one. While at a cricket field in the nets doing some batting practice with a mate I was cornered by one of these animals. I tried to walk slowly around it without making any sudden moves, but it blocked my exit from the nets. My mate was lucky enough to climb a fence when he saw the dog coming. I couldn't get out in time. It was barking, snarling, showing its teeth and pinned its ears back - obvious signs of aggression. When it finally made its charge at me, I belted it so hard with my cricket bat that the handle cracked. Luckily for me, the dog limped off very slowly in the opposite direction, bleeding, having decided it was a bad idea to try to attack me after all. The owner was across the street on his verandah watching and laughing until I defended myself. He had the audacity, the arrogance to come and berate me for "assaulting" his dog, saying he was going to "mess me up real good". My mate and I said that if he didn't back off, our first phone call would be to the Police after he met the same side of both our cricket bats as his dog did. He reluctantly backed off, swearing all the way, and once we were safely in the car, we noted the guy's address and reported it to the Police and the local Council. He ended up copping a fairly expensive fine for not having his dangerous dog properly contained in his yard. He also copped a hefty bill from the vet. My mate and I did nothing to provoke that dog - we were just doing cricket practice. These dogs are a menace and have no place in society.

What a surprise! I have been waiting for this for 37 pages...........

Guess what - you are not the first person to be attacked by a dog! Get the help you need please if you are still traumatised by this event and stop being such a breedist! The fact that it "may" have some APBT in it does not make it unique to inflicting serious harm including death.

My step sister and I were attacked by two large dogs (rottweilers) when I was younger - she WAS bitten several times already, I had to literally throw her over a fence to get into our yard quickly and I got a nice chunk taken out of my arse as I flew over myself. Had we not got out quickly who knows what could of happened. Perhaps another media headline.

Should I have called then for all rottys to be exterminated because of one dickhead owner? How is that fair to all responsbile rottweiler owners?

Dog attacks will happen whenever there are morons who get dogs for status symbols (and as MANY others have said unfortunately the APBT is the current dog of choice for bogans), don't contain their dogs, fail to exercise them, fail to train them, fail to socialise them etc.

For the record I don't own a ptibull so have NO vested interest in saying this but consider the only spotlight that is put on them in the media. For the one attack purported to be a APBT X you will never see the thousands of well-adjusted pure APBTs enjoying their normal family life in the media to balance out your view on them because what sort of a story is that? Nothing sensational is it?

You will also never see any of the many thousands of bullbreeds and their xs (possibly what that actually dog was) currently living in homes with children, cats and other dogs living well adjusted lives to balance out your view.

I remember living on the Gold Coast 10-15 years ago when there were some attacks in Ipswich by some large xbreed dogs - the mayor at the time in all his infinite wisdom in a vote gaining exercise thereafter was going to bring in some scale of declaring all large strong dogs danagerous - this was barely an hour away from where we were living and there was concern it was gaining momentum given the media hysteria created....and it could have moved to the coast.

The criteria was scary...I can't remember all the exact details but it was things like head circumference, muzzle length, weight, height, muscle definition - if your dog was over a certain head width, muzzle width, size, weight etc then it fit the criteria and your dog was going to be seized and declared dangerous.

At the time we had a beautiful bull mastiff x and an english staffordshire bull terrier x - our big boy would have been right on the chopping block - he did nothing wrong and he never had a mean bone in his body and yet he was almost in the firing line because of someone else's irresponsibility.

Your ill-informed breedism is scary because it threatens the future of good owners of all breeds of dog - pure or not. Most of us can see that BSL doesn't work, where breed bans will head and the worst still, bans that have been proposed in the past even based just on size, weight, muzzle length etc alone which would eliminate all large and strong dogs altogether. What a sad place the world would be without the gun dogs, the guardian breeds, the livestock breeds etc. etc.

It doesn't matter what pure breed or cross that dog was - the dog itself was a ticking timb bomb because the owner failed to raise it and secure it properly.

Edited August 22, 2011 by Just Andrea

[huski]

Different story altogether. I don't want Collies banned either because they are not a dangerous breed. Please try to keep it sensible! I didn't say I want a ban on all dogs, just dangerous ones like the pitbull.

Oh of course! The only dogs that have the potential to be dangerous are pitbulls.

This dog must have been a pitbull in disguise.

[Matthew_B]

It's never the dog, it's always the owner or the victim's fault or something else. Unbelievable!!!

No Matthew, the point is that pitbulls have been banned and eradicated in various jurisdictions over the last 20 years or more. As best as we can determine, not a single bite has been prevented using this strategy. What do you say to that?

The breed needs to be eradicated until it ceases to exist. Simple. It can't attack/kill you if it's extinct.

Then what do we do with every other breed or cross that attacks someone ? Continue to blame the breed or cross untill there are none left ?

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

[huski]

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be?

[Aidan3]

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

I noticed you haven't answered my earlier question, Matthew, "how do you explain the fact that bites and fatalities occur at exactly the same rate if you remove all pitbulls from the population?"

[poodlefan]

I've given up attempting to convince MatthewB that his proposal to end serious dog attacks wont't work.

The AVA, the RSPCA, all the canine researchers.. they don't agree with MatthewB's proposal. The projects that have proven that you can reduce attacks without banning breeds.. pffft. MatthewB knows better.

Save your energy folks.. you are flagellating a deceased equine here. No amount of logic or reason is going to change his opinion.

[k9angel]

It's never the dog, it's always the owner or the victim's fault or something else. Unbelievable!!!

No Matthew, the point is that pitbulls have been banned and eradicated in various jurisdictions over the last 20 years or more. As best as we can determine, not a single bite has been prevented using this strategy. What do you say to that?

The breed needs to be eradicated until it ceases to exist. Simple. It can't attack/kill you if it's extinct.

Then what do we do with every other breed or cross that attacks someone ? Continue to blame the breed or cross untill there are none left ?

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

Is it so hard to accept that any dog is capable of biting, includ. labs and beagles?

Is it so hard to accept that many of these dogs are ending up in the wrong hands, AKA irresponsible owners?

I think you need to seek professional help to help you cope with what you have been through. It has obviously left you emotionally scarred and traumatised.

[k9angel]

Take a look at this MatthewB. It was posted by Kylielou in one of the BSL threads.

I found it by accident but found it very interesting. I think it proves any dog is capable of biting, and killing - regardless of size or breed.

A link to the thread.

http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/151204-need-to-update-list-dogs-that-kill-in-aust/

Dogs that Kill in Australia

Aug 28,Tue, 2007 A two week old baby has died after being attacked by a family dog in Perth. Police were called to a home in the Perth suburb of Willetton around ten o'clock last night.

Police say the baby had been attacked by the family's Siberian Husky.

The baby later died in hospital.

March 17th, 2007 an American bulldog-Catahoula mix — attacked and killed Pamela Rushing. Pamela Rushing, 50, was found mauled to death in her backyard in the Forest of Friendswood subdivision. She died of multiple dog bites, according to a medical examiner’s report. Wieners said police believe Rushing was killed when she tried to intervene in a dogfight, although it is unclear which dog turned on her first, the chief said. At least one of the bites found on her body matched the teeth pattern of the retriever, reports show. Rushing died from multiple dog bites — primarily those of the bulldog, the chief said. Rushing had been dead for about four hours when police arrived. They weren’t sure whether two other family dogs also attacked her, a Golden Retriever and an Australian Shepherd,

February 3, 2006 Labrador X Dingo. Bunyip in eastern Victoria, 22 month old girl died after neck bite from by families Labrador X Dingo. It was at Bunyip in Victoria The Bunyip home where the 22-month-old girl was killed by a dingo-labrador cross. The 22-month-old girl was sleeping in her bedroom in Sanders Road, Garfield North, south-east of Melbourne, when the family dog, a labrador-dingo cross went into her bedroom and attacked her about 2.30am yesterday.

2006 July 22nd Three Pig-hunting dogs.Tyra Kuehne, 4, was mauled to death by dogs near her home in Warren in central New South Wales. NSW The young girl went missing from her family home in Warren, near Dubbo, and was found in a neighbouring yard on Wednesday night with fatal head, neck and torso injuries after being mauled by three Pig-hunting dogs. The 4 year old girl climbed two fences and was found dead in hunting dogs enclosure, leading to legislation change in NSW. THE fatal mauling of four-year-old Tyra Kuehne by three pig-hunting dogs in Warren, near Dubbo A FATAL dog attack on a child in New South Wales had forced Rosemary Withers to relive an horrific event in her family's past.

2005, DEC THU 29th, Dingo attacked toddler only a month after mum moved home

The tragedy of the two-year-old's death, on Tuesday in the South Coast town of Eden NSW.

2005 Crossbreed camp dogs Alice springs, 59 yo woman killed by Crossbreed camp dogs?

2004 Thursday 31st September Bull terrier and Kelpie crosses Mount Isa Police north-west community of Doomadgee following a fatal dog attack A 16-year-old boy was mauled to death when he took a shortcut through a relative's backyard early yesterday. He died later in the day in hospital. The three dogs, described as Bull terrier and Kelpie crosses, were put down this morning.

2003 May 11, Unknown Breed, The death of a baby girl killed by her teenage mother's dog moments after birth was a tragedy without blame, a coroner has found. A post-mortem exam found the baby, posthumously named Caitlyn, died from about 25 injuries consistent with dog bites. 14-year-old mother did not know she was pregnant before giving birth in the backyard of her Ballarat home early on May 11 last year.

2002 May 19 Boxer-crosses and one an Irish wolfhound-cross AN elderly man (Francesco Salerno 77 ) died after he was attacked by his own dog at a property at Richlands in Brisbane's west last night. The man, 77, was taken to Princess Alexandra Hospital but died soon after arrival. Police said the man's right arm was severely mauled and he lost a lot of blood. Police believe there were at least four dogs on the man's property in Government Road, Richlands, when the attack occurred around 4.30pm. Two of the dogs were believed to be Boxer-crosses and one an Irish wolfhound-cross.

2002, 31st October Great Dane-bull mastiff cross and a Bull mastiff cross The body of Rita Thompson, who was in her 70s, was found by police in late October two years ago at a home on Lyall Street in Bathurst. a Great Dane-bull mastiff cross and a Bull mastiff cross 31st October 2002 at her home at 33 Lyall Street, Gorman’s Hill, a suburb of Bathurst

The inquest into the death of an elderly Bathurst woman, who died after being attacked by dogs, begins today. The inquest is expected to last for two days and is hearing from a range of witnesses. The inquest will be held at Bathurst Courthouse.

2000 Herne Hill Crossbred dog - Victoria - elderly man bled to death after being bitten from crossbred dog obtained from "animal welfare shelter" and the dog was kept as guard dog.

2000 July 4 Malamute cross Mooroopna - Victoria -Malamute cross, killed 2 year old boy (Patrick Bloomfield) in bedroom. Origins "animal shelter".

1999 Feb 16 Rhodesian Ridgeback Cross Herne Hill The Victim of a Rhodesian Ridgeback Cross named Harley ( Leon Trasinski 75 Years old) died from a heart attack & blood loss.

Coroner ( Edwin Batt ) found Harlie’s owner ( Debra Susan Marks) Contributed to the death by keeping a vicious & aggressive dog in such a way that it could & would attack. Mrs Marks partner David Bruce purchased the dog Harley from the council pound in Transinski.

1998 Rottweilers and a Rottweiler-cross In a similar case in Western Australia, Giovanni Pacino, 35, was convicted of manslaughter in 1998 and sentenced to three years' jail - since overturned - after his Rottweilers and a Rottweiler-cross mauled 85-year-old Perina Chokolich to death in her garden.

1998 Nov 9 Cattle Dog and Great Dane cross Bull Terrier Grandmother at Charters Towers mauled to death after trying to stop dogfight. The two dogs involved were a Cattle Dog and Great Dane cross Bull Terrier. They were her pet dogs.

1997 April 16. Bull Mastiff X Great Dane, X Bull Terrier Meadow Heights 12 Years old Boy ( Jarrad Dwyer ) was mauled to death by a Bull Mastiff X Great Dane, X Bull Terrier in the back yard. Kimba was the family pet. Autopsy showed dog had a fractured skull from a blow with a ball hammer. Which was not reported in the (media).

1997 - Victoria - Unknown crossbred?

1995 December 27 Toowoomba Labrador cross with some Bull Breed Elderly Woman (B Stringer) visited friend’s house and was mauled to death by a Labrador cross with some Bull Breed in its ancestry. This dog was reported in the media initially as a Pit Bull Cross then changed to American Pit Bull Terrier. This is despite all relevant people clearly stating the above crossbreed.

1995-96 -South Australia Akita bit a drunken owner through an artery and he bled to death.

1995 June 7- Perth 3 Rottweilers & a Rottweiler cross GSD Elderly land lady ( Perina Chokolich age 85 ) killed and mauled beyond recognition in her vegetable garden. Dogs involved were 3 Rottweilers & a Rottweiler cross GSD Owned by Giovanni Pacino age 35.

Sep 15 1991 North Richmond Bull Terrier cross 55 Km North West of Sydney 2 month old boy mauled to death by a Bull Terrier cross

Late 80s In Adelaide 2 English Bull Terriers and their 2 pups a small child was killed at home by 2 English Bull Terriers and their 2 pups

1978 Wire Fox Terrier Killed 3 month old baby in pram - Victoria

In the 70s Wire Fox Terrier there was another death of a baby in Vic by a Wire Fox Terrier.

[SpotTheDog]

When I was a very small child - four - I was bitten by a dog. I was walking to kindergarden with my mum, and the dog came in behind me and bit my heel.

It was a Pekingese.

When I was 10 years old, I was bitten by a dog. I was playing a game of fetch with it, and I went to pick up the ball from in front of it and it bit my wrist.

It was a cocker spaniel.

When I was 16 years old, I was bitten by a dog. I was walking out of the street I lived in and a neighbour's loose dog rushed me. It jumped up on me, snarling and growling, and I gave it my arm, thick in a leather jacket. It grabbed and shook, and backed off again. I was leaning against a wall to keep my footing. It came at me again, and grabbed the arm again and shook. I held myself up against the wall, and didn't make eye contact with it. Something else distracted it and it raced away and I waited until it was out of sight and then took off myself.

It was a dalmatian.

Cry me a river, Matthew B, cry me a river.

[geo]

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

The fact that you believe this is why dogs attacks occur on people indicates you are but an outsider looking in, with so much to learn on this forum you could benefit by re-reading this thread and understand what people are saying, not just breed owners but in fact the whole dog world, (as mentioned by PF but you may have chosen not to read it)

[WoofnHoof]

K9A I remember the husky one from 07 from memory there was some question over whether it was an attack as such as I recall some information suggested the dog took the baby from the cot dropping her on the floor resulting in head injuries and death.

Not to detract from your point of course because while it may not have been an 'attack' as such it certainly adds to the substantial body of evidence which suggests that it's a bad idea to leave any dog unsupervised with children.

[Matthew_B]

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be?

OMG! How many times do I have to say it? Yes, any dog can bite - I've said this numerous times. That isn't the point. The point is that pitbulls have been bred as fighting dogs. That makes them an inherently dangerous breed to have around. Labradors, Beagles, Golden Retrievers aren't now, nor have they ever been bred as fighting dogs. They are renowned as 'family' dogs. Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes...

[Matthew_B]

I've given up attempting to convince MatthewB that his proposal to end serious dog attacks wont't work.

The AVA, the RSPCA, all the canine researchers.. they don't agree with MatthewB's proposal. The projects that have proven that you can reduce attacks without banning breeds.. pffft. MatthewB knows better.

Save your energy folks.. you are flagellating a deceased equine here. No amount of logic or reason is going to change his opinion.

That's interesting, especially considering I've never submitted a proposal to the AVA, RSPCA or any canine researchers...

[poodlefan]

I've given up attempting to convince MatthewB that his proposal to end serious dog attacks wont't work.

The AVA, the RSPCA, all the canine researchers.. they don't agree with MatthewB's proposal. The projects that have proven that you can reduce attacks without banning breeds.. pffft. MatthewB knows better.

Save your energy folks.. you are flagellating a deceased equine here. No amount of logic or reason is going to change his opinion.

That's interesting, especially considering I've never submitted a proposal to the AVA, RSPCA or any canine researchers...

You sure as hell have made it plain here though. I believe I might accurately summarise it as "kill them all". ;) And the organisations I've quoted don't agree with you in either the method or its efficacy. But hey, what would they know.

[Are You Serious Jo]

Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes...

I know how you feel I know you ignore the questions that don't support your theory, but have you listened to anything being said to you? Yes, pitbulls were fighting dogs, but they were originally bred to fight dogs, not humans. They weren't bred to fight humans, in fact, they were selected to be good with humans so the dicks fighting them never had to worry about being bitten. Some dogs have been bred to be a problem for humans, such as the livestock guardian dogs. Some of those are scary and are usually only found with people who know how to manage them. But bull breeds have always been selected to be good around people.

But again, pits weren't bred to fight humans, humans are dogs, they were bred to fight other dogs, NOT HUMANS. I bet you're the sort of person that goes to the doctor and demands antibiotics for a cold right, you know better than someone who has qualifications and years more experience than you

[geo]

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be?

OMG! How many times do I have to say it? Yes, any dog can bite - I've said this numerous times. That isn't the point. The point is that pitbulls have been bred as fighting dogs. That makes them an inherently dangerous breed to have around. Labradors, Beagles, Golden Retrievers aren't now, nor have they ever been bred as fighting dogs. They are renowned as 'family' dogs. Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes...

You have no clue as to what makes a fighting dog or for that matter how they're bred!! Your statement is so illogical to everyone on this forum or to anyone who actually has any idea about dogs at all, which you clearly do not.

You must know that the APBT (google it you may learn something) was bred to be HUMAN FRIENDLY!!!

It's hard to explain to somebody who has no interest in learning anything.

[k9angel]

No - Labradors, Beagles, etc aren't bred as fighting dogs. Is that such a hard concept for the people in this forum to grasp?

So what are you saying Matthew? That labs, beagles etc can't bite people? That only certain types of dogs have the potential to be aggressive? If a lab or beagle bit someone, what would your reaction be?

OMG! How many times do I have to say it? Yes, any dog can bite - I've said this numerous times. That isn't the point. The point is that pitbulls have been bred as fighting dogs. That makes them an inherently dangerous breed to have around. Labradors, Beagles, Golden Retrievers aren't now, nor have they ever been bred as fighting dogs. They are renowned as 'family' dogs. Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes...

Matthew did you even read that post I put on re. fatal dog attacks?

Did you see that 2 of the dogs listed on that list, were lab x's?

I think you are seeing and believing what you want to based on that one 'bad' experience you had and from what you hear & see on media reports.

Should we be banning labs too? and rotti's and sheps and sibes and mals and kelpies and wire hair fox terriers, just to name a few breeds that made mention on that list.

And you say you feel like you're talking to a brick wall. I feel dizzy from going around and around the same circle.

If by now you don't get it, I doubt you ever will.

[Brennan's Mum]

Honestly, I feel like I am talking to a brick wall sometimes...

Funny, I think many other people feel the same

[persephone]

I have lost a chunk of muscle from my hand - labrador.

I have been brought to ground by a hard bite to my calf - kelpie.

I have had my nose pierced and bleeding - chihuahua.

All were scary and painful and needed treatment . The dogs in questions were not killed or punished ...and I do not call for the breeds to be banned at all!