Child Killed By Dog

[Clyde]

It's what makes them what they are a very agile athletic dog

General public don't give a rats about that - if anything it puts another notch of fear in every mothers mind. All I see from that clip are dogs that can clear average fencing, love to grab things with their jaws as if their lives depended on it and are fit enough to outrun any human and knock a child to the ground. Sure, 2 of my own dogs could do all those things, but you need to think how non doggy people think if you want to save your breed.

Being 'agile and athletic' does not make a dog safe.

I never stated that!

And general public needs to stop condemning things they know nothing about! Again I see absolutely nothing wrong In that vid

You're seeing what you want to see, I'm sitting on the other side of the fence and clearly do not see the same

So agree to disagree as they say

And therein lies the problem. I viewed it with an open mind and you are viewing it with a biased one.

I don't 'see what I want to see' at all. I own a bull breed and can still see that that video does the breed no favours at all.

[RottnBullies]

Regardless of what people think is the root cause or what is to blame or what would best serve this situation...I believe their will be some ramifications of the most unsort kind.

I agree, It's a very scary and horrible thought of what Is about to unfold and to be honest I don't think many are actually giving any thought to this part at all

And therein lies the problem. I viewed it with an open mind and you are viewing it with a biased one.

I don't 'see what I want to see' at all. I own a bull breed and can still see that that video does the breed no favours at all.

Well as I said agree to disagree, I stand by my belief and It's not a biased one either thank you

It's not everyone's cup of tea, but hey different strokes for different folks comes to mind

Doing extreme dog sports Is not doing the breed harm at all

[Pailin]

Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what.

And how exactly do you know that Matthew? Or are you merely jumping to conclusions based on something you know absolutely NOTHING about.

A good friend of mine is in the Dog Squad and I can guarantee you they get bitten quite regularly.

[raz]

Hi Poodlefan,

can you please find me a link that refers to the dog's breed? i can't find anything in any of the media outlets i've searched. Ps. i'm not entering into the current debate, i'm just looking to find accurate media reports on the gawd awful tragic incident.

taa

It's not a breed. It's already been plastered all over the news since this happened - it's a mongrel. No one knows what it is

[black_dog]

I own a bull breed and can still see that that video does the breed no favours at all.

I just went back and watched it, and I thought: crap! imagine an untrained one of them on a chain in a bikie's backyard.

[klink]

The fact you're searching the net for stories of dog attacks by Labradors to defend pitbulls demonstrates a level of desperation...

The point of the exercise was to demonstrate that breed alone does not make a dog dangerous any more than it makes a dog "safe". Efforts to prevent dangerous dogs in the community cannot afford to focus on breeds.

You said such stories wouldn't exist Matthew... and I've proven otherwise.

The fact that you're once again making personal comments tells me that you've seen your argument that Labradors aren't responsible for attacks on people blown clean out of the water with a few minutes of Googling.

The analogy was being used (since you seem incapable of grasping the point of it) to demonstrate that ascribing attacks to breed and using breed bans alone deal with the issue is an utter nonsense. Pitbulls are large powerful dogs - but so are Labradors.

Matthew the fact that you believe to your core that pitbulls are inherently dangerous dogs simply doesn't make it so. You can raise the level of your argument and take potshots at me but it doesn't change the fact that your belief is not borne out with facts.

You argued that since the dog that killed this poor little girl was a pitbull, they should all die. But it wasn't a pitbull.

You argued that other breeds of dog don't do what pitbulls can do. I've proved they can and do.

The difference between you and I Matthew is that I know for a fact that a whole range of contributing factors make a dangerous dog so that only dealing with one of them (breed) doesn't make society safer. You believe in the myth that killer dogs are born, not made.

I challenged you yesterday to find any evidence that breed specific legislation has made any community a safer place. Find it and you'll prove your point. I've looked and I can't find it. I can find evidence to the contrary though. Have you actually looked at the Calgary project yet?

Poodlefan, I agree with your comments. Unfortunately you will never convince the usual lot of uninformed remarks about any breed following such a sad incident. Regarding BSL in various countries in an attempt to stop dog attacks, it simply does' not work .The breeds are not the problem.

In Holland in 1993 Pitbulls were banned and many were seized and destroyed, even if they only looked similar to a Pitbull. In 2008 the Dutch government reversed the ban on several banned breeds,WHY ? because after all those years they determined the ban had made no difference to the incidence of dog attacks. I rest my case.

[Tara and Sam]

Isn't it ironic that almost every death from a dog attack in the last decade or so has involved a dog that is a member of the pitbull breed, whether purebred or a cross? Yes, I do think that banning all breeds of pitbulls will prevent a considerable number of deaths and maimings because I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a news report of a person dying from an attack of a Beagle or a Dalmatian or a Labrador. Some of you members here are so blinkered with your love of this breed of dog that nothing anyone says or does will change your mind and that is a shame for both past and future victims of these hideous dogs.

How about maiming instead then?

Get your blinkers off and read this

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8228648/pet-dog-mauls-four-in-sydney

also about Buster as to why he possibly turned on them

Buster and his owner had been threatened by a knife so possibly why he was spooked or felt threatened

and this

The four-year-old girl from Larnook was playing with the family labrador while it was eating dinner about 7.15pm on Monday night.

Leave dogs alone while eating !

and this

Labrador kills 2-month-old boy left unattended in swing

why left unattended ?

and this

again left unatteneded

mums friend had a beautifull Ridgeback she got from the pound

he knew a gentleman very well

one day the gentlemann turned up wearing a coat and hood and carrrying a stake to put in to the garden

the dog flew at him and stopped short of biteing him

that was the first time the dog ever showed any aggresion

something must have happened to the dog before the owner got the dog

so what triggered off the agression towards that male? once he took his jacket of the dog was fine

Sometimes there is a reason for a attack and other times not always know the reason

I am not a great lover of Pitbulls but have seeen and heard of some lovely ones on here who have responsible owners

I would hate to see the breed banned , but tougher penalties for idiot owners for any dog

PS only quoteing youor links Poodlefan

[Wobbly]

This is one for those who agree with BSL (Matthew).

This is where BSL went in Italy. First they banned all the usual suspects - Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Dobermans etc.

But the dog bites & deaths continued unabated, so more breeds were banned. Eventually they ended up with over 97 breeds banned.

That list of breeds banned in Italy included:

German Shepards

Bearded Collies

Border Collies

Rough Collies (OMG they banned Lassie dogs! )

Smooth Collies

Welsh Corgis (!)

Kelpies

Belgian Shepherds

Australian Shepherds

Australian Cattle Dogs

Schnauzers (minituare as well as standard size)

Boxers

Shar Pei

Dogue Bordeaux

Bulldogs

Pyrenean Mountain Dogs

Newfoundlands

Saint Bernard Dogs

Still the bites continued....

Eventually Italian politicians realised that BSL just didn't work & repealed it in it's entirety. Much the same thing happened in Holland.

Does Australia have to go down the same route as Italy?

If it does, don't make the mistake of perceiving of your dog as safe just because it's a labrador, or even a Pointer. I bet the Border Collie, Corgi & Miniture Schnauzer owners in Italy felt pretty safe. Until BSL targeted them too.

[RottnBullies]

I own a bull breed and can still see that that video does the breed no favours at all.

I just went back and watched it, and I thought: crap! imagine an untrained one of them on a chain in a bikie's backyard.

You can Imagine It with any of our other med - large powerful breeds too, and you did say those magic words Untrained and Chained

Enough to cause problems for many a dog don't you agree

[tarope]

What a Tragedy, a small innocent child's life lost all because of an Irresponsible owner

Now all the morons come out of their holes again and demand the APBT be banned, even through the dog was a cross breed. These morons can't tell one breed from another and simply react to the Media who can't either.

Irresponsible owners will always be the problem, not the breed and banning any breed is not the answer. People are killed in cars, do we Ban cars no we put the Irresponsible driver behind bars where the belong.

[Tara and Sam]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/vets-warning-on-banning-dangerous-dogs/story-e6frea73-1226118317206

VETERINARIANS say banning breeds of dangerous dogs would not stop attacks, despite a Victorian government vow to crack down on vicious pets

Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu said today the government wanted to "be rid of these dogs as soon as possible" following the death of a four-year-old girl who was mauled by an unregistered American pit bull mastiff cross in Melbourne on Wednesday.

The owner of the dog could face charges under the Domestic Animals Act and fines in excess of $19,000.

The government has also foreshadowed measures that could include the owners of dangerous dogs facing 20 years' jail in a similar law that applies to culpable drivers.

The amnesty for registering dangerous dogs will end, meaning councils can seize and destroy the animals, while a "dob in a dangerous dog" anonymous hotline will also be set up.

[Wobbly]

This thread needs a dose of real life Pit Bull footage. The kind of every day interactions between kids & their APBTs that happen in hundreds of thousands of households across the world, every single day. There are literally thousands of Clips exactly like this on Youtube, so I just took the first 4 that popped up. What happened to the poor little girl who inspired this thread is an absolute anamoly, this is the real face of Pit Bulls:

They're just dogs, like every other dog, everything they do, whether good or bad, is a direct result of the owner's handling & training of the dog.

Edited August 19, 2011 by Wobbly

[Aidan3]

This is one for those who agree with BSL (Matthew).

This is where BSL went in Italy. First they banned all the usual suspects - Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Dobermans etc.

But the dog bites & deaths continued unabated, so more breeds were banned. Eventually they ended up with over 97 breeds banned.

Devil's advocate here - how could they possibly know if it didn't work?

Dog bites will occur by chance. By banning a breed you are aiming to take out bites that occur at some statistically significant rate due to high-risk animals (a big ask when you look at it that way). If you're banning breeds every second week you're never going to know either way, bites just don't happen frequently enough to satisfy any statistical jiggery-pokery you might apply.

[Bullbreedlover]

I own a bull breed and can still see that that video does the breed no favours at all.

I just went back and watched it, and I thought: crap! imagine an untrained one of them on a chain in a bikie's backyard.

You can Imagine It with any of our other med - large powerful breeds too, and you did say those magic words Untrained and Chained

Enough to cause problems for many a dog don't you agree

I hate it when people use the word bikie. It kind of implies that all bikies are tarred by the same brush. Far from it.

Not all bikies are into drugs and need savage dogs.

How about...

Imagine an untrained one of them on a chain in "any irresponsible owners" back yard.

Many bikies actually are responsible dogs owners.

[RottnBullies]

Much better, thanks BB for pulling that one up, I agree

[Wobbly]

This is one for those who agree with BSL (Matthew).

This is where BSL went in Italy. First they banned all the usual suspects - Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Dobermans etc.

But the dog bites & deaths continued unabated, so more breeds were banned. Eventually they ended up with over 97 breeds banned.

Devil's advocate here - how could they possibly know if it didn't work?

Dog bites will occur by chance. By banning a breed you are aiming to take out bites that occur at some statistically significant rate due to high-risk animals (a big ask when you look at it that way). If you're banning breeds every second week you're never going to know either way, bites just don't happen frequently enough to satisfy any statistical jiggery-pokery you might apply.

I'm not gonna get into this argument, I learned here on this very forum that the BSL hysteria is such that even the most logical & rational argument will not penetrate people's minds when they have decided to pursue a course of willful ignorance. IMO, all I can do is present evidence that proves that hysteria ill founded. Eventually, the people who ARE rational & intelligent beings will see the in the mounting evidence the truth of the matter - eg people like Poodlefan, and I hope to Dog that amongst the lawmakers the same rationality & intelligence is present.

The great unwashed, ill-educated & willfully ignorant like Matthew will never be convinced & I wouldn't bother trying to argue with them.

[suziwong66]

Hi Poodlefan,

can you please find me a link that refers to the dog's breed? i can't find anything in any of the media outlets i've searched. Ps. i'm not entering into the current debate, i'm just looking to find accurate media reports on the gawd awful tragic incident.

taa

It's not a breed. It's already been plastered all over the news since this happened - it's a mongrel. No one knows what it is

I do believe i was speaking directly to Poodlefan about a link regarding accurate information. Your negative picky input is not necessary or welcomed.

[raz]

Hi Poodlefan,

can you please find me a link that refers to the dog's breed? i can't find anything in any of the media outlets i've searched. Ps. i'm not entering into the current debate, i'm just looking to find accurate media reports on the gawd awful tragic incident.

taa

It's not a breed. It's already been plastered all over the news since this happened - it's a mongrel. No one knows what it is

I do believe i was speaking directly to Poodlefan about a link regarding accurate information. Your negative picky input is not necessary or welcomed.

My response was neither negative nor picky. Who are you, by the way- another journo? Goodoh, lovey. The dog that killed the little girl was not a breed. It was a mongrel.

[Tapferhund]

Matthew, why can't you understand what people are telling you about fighting dogs? I'll explain again. PBs were bred to fight dogs, dog aggression and human aggression are two different things. The dogs bred for dog fighting were also bred to be good with people, because they didn't want the dogs biting them, just other dogs. The human aggression seen in some PBs is not because they were originally fighting dogs, it's because they are raised by morons who don't socialise their dogs properly. ANY bred can do the same if they are not raised correctly, there are many breeds and crosses that bite humans IF THEY ARE RAISED BY MORONS.

So whenever we see a pitbull (or any fighting dog for that matter) in the news that has maimed or killed someone, it's the owner's fault, not the dogs' fault? That's absolute rubbish, and you know it!

Actually its not rubbish, it is not the dogs fault....whatever the circumstances were that triggered the dog to behave the way it did..the dog was only acting like a dog. It is 100% the fault of the owner for not, amongst other things, making sure the dog was contained safely on his/her property . JMO.

[Little Gifts]

Suziwong I was watching the hourly news reports on tv all day yesterday and it was reported as pit bull and pit bull cross in all the daily reports on Channel 10. Subsequently it has been referred to as Amstaff, although I haven't heard or seen that myself. The child has also been referred to on Channel 10's news reports as 3, 4 and 5 and the adult that the dog chased in to the house has been referred to as 20 and 30. The child was also 'killed by the dog' (implying immediately at the scene) in some reports and in later reports the child was in surgery and died then or shortly after (details were sketchy), implying that it survived the attack, made it to hospital and died later. What do you believe????

I am actually a journalist and this is why I don't work for mass media. This lack of fact checking and sensationalism is not what news reporting is supposed to be about. No wonder the media has a bad name - it should be an important community service reporting fact and balanced stories. Instead they run with whatever will grab the most attention and try and beat other media outlets by getting the story out first. The most significant thing to me is the dog killing the child at the house or the child dying in hospital as a result of the dog attack. How can you get that wrong? They didn't - saying the dog killed the child and implying it happened right there in front of family and friends is far more sensational and it was a deliberate choice on their part.