Child Killed By Dog

[RottnBullies]

It's what makes them what they are a very agile athletic dog

General public don't give a rats about that - if anything it puts another notch of fear in every mothers mind. All I see from that clip are dogs that can clear average fencing, love to grab things with their jaws as if their lives depended on it and are fit enough to outrun any human and knock a child to the ground. Sure, 2 of my own dogs could do all those things, but you need to think how non doggy people think if you want to save your breed.

Being 'agile and athletic' does not make a dog safe.

I never stated that!

And general public needs to stop condemning things they know nothing about! Again I see absolutely nothing wrong In that vid

You're seeing what you want to see, I'm sitting on the other side of the fence and clearly do not see the same

So agree to disagree as they say

[Matthew_B]

Isn't it ironic that almost every death from a dog attack in the last decade or so has involved a dog that is a member of the pitbull breed, whether purebred or a cross? Yes, I do think that banning all breeds of pitbulls will prevent a considerable number of deaths and maimings because I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a news report of a person dying from an attack of a Beagle or a Dalmatian or a Labrador. Some of you members here are so blinkered with your love of this breed of dog that nothing anyone says or does will change your mind and that is a shame for both past and future victims of these hideous dogs.

How about maiming instead then?

Get your blinkers off and read this

and this

and this

Yeah, wow. Rare day when either of those incidents happens. Same can't be said of fighting dogs...

[bulldogz4eva]

Sorry, I just don't think the argument of its not a purebred Pit bull is helping your cause

they are being identified as pitbull crosses, to the general public they look like pitbulls, they seem to have pitbull in them...

yes, it is a mongrel, but that is not what the general public are hearing or seeing

they are not seeing a labrador cross killing a child, they are seeing a pitbull cross doing that,

It is about being factual. If it was a cross breed then it was not an APBT. Simple.

So now to eradicate cross breeds?

Isn't it factual though that a lot of these attacks, have Pitbull in the breed ....

the dog was identified as Rotweiller in one, if it was a labrador cross that would be factual ... it is a Pitbull cross, its factual

just because its not a purebred pitbull ... doesn't mean, you can argue, it wasn't a pitbull

It probably is factual and if a bullmastiff cross or rottweiller cross fataly mauls someone should purebreds of those breeds be banned?

If it was a crossbreed it was not a purebred American Pitbull Terrier therefore it is not representative of the breed considering human agression is not a breed characteristic in the majority of the dogs.When you breed a dog with high prey to a defense based dog you are altering the temperament.They were never bred to be a guard dog and most are not.That is the whole premise of the argument and what is so hard about that for people to grasp.I will say it oncde more.PITBULL IS NOT A BREED

[poodlefan]

Yeah, wow. Rare day when either of those incidents happens. Same can't be said of fighting dogs...

You said they NEVER happen Matthew.. don't look now but you're argument's on shakey ground.

A Labrador cross dingo killed a child in Australia a couple of years back.. so crossbreeding labradors is dangerous.. best we ban them to stop it happening.

And wait.. there's more:

Another incident

Get your blinkers off and read this"]And another[/url]

And another

Edited August 19, 2011 by poodlefan

[bulldogz4eva]

Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what.

The dog that killed this little girl wasn't a pitbull Matthew and you know it.

The overwhelming majority of individuals of breeds used for police and security work fail the grade for a range of reasons. BTW, dog bites are pretty common in dog handlers.

Which part of "because some pitbulls might be dangerous doesn't mean ALL of them are" can't you grasp.

Some Labradors are dangerous Matthew. Seriously scarey dogs. Doesnt mean all of them are and you're in a better position than most to know it.

But take a poorly bred Labrador, fail to socialise it to recognise children as somethign other than prey, fail to teach it bite inhibition, fail to keep it in a manner that sees it form good social bonds with people, fail to train it to come back when its called and fail to exercise it regularly and you've got a recipe for a dangerous dog. The breed matters only as far as size and power go. It matter as far as bite thresholds and bite inhibitions go. It also matter as far as drives go. Crossbreed it with other large and powerful dogs and your capacity to know what its drives and inhibitions are decreases exponentially.

But none of those qualities is restriced to particular breeds, nor shared by all individuals within a breed. Assuming so is the path to disaster and that's the path that BSL takes.

Labradors weren't bred for fighting. Pitbulls were and are.

The pitbull debate will continue I am sure, but seriously Matthew_B don't you have any other ideas. Surely you don't think banning APBT's is just going to stop dog attacks from happening.

I only ever seem to see you post in topics regarding pitbulls.

Isn't it ironic that almost every death from a dog attack in the last decade or so has involved a dog that is a member of the pitbull breed, whether purebred or a cross? Yes, I do think that banning all breeds of pitbulls will prevent a considerable number of deaths and maimings because I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a news report of a person dying from an attack of a Beagle or a Dalmatian or a Labrador. Some of you members here are so blinkered with your love of this breed of dog that nothing anyone says or does will change your mind and that is a shame for both past and future victims of these hideous dogs.

blah blah blah blah blah blah You just dont get it nor do you listen.

[SnoPaws]

Matthew are you aware of the difference between the American Pit Bull Terrier and the generic pitbull/staffy x that is being bred by bybers and is favoured by bogans. You do realise that the dog responsible for this attack and all of the attacks quoted is the latter and not the former??

[raz]

Your big boofhead in your sig with the smiley face and sitting over a book is a fantastic pic, Rottn. That's the kind of publicity you guys should be chasing at the moment

[juice]

i think not snopaws ;)

Edited August 19, 2011 by juice

[geo]

Isn't it ironic that almost every death from a dog attack in the last decade or so has involved a dog that is a member of the pitbull breed, whether purebred or a cross? Yes, I do think that banning all breeds of pitbulls will prevent a considerable number of deaths and maimings because I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a news report of a person dying from an attack of a Beagle or a Dalmatian or a Labrador. Some of you members here are so blinkered with your love of this breed of dog that nothing anyone says or does will change your mind and that is a shame for both past and future victims of these hideous dogs.

Mathew B,

Love of this breed does not blinker people, it does however give people the right to post on experience which is a little more than what you would have with the breed. Poodlefan is pretty much spot on, as is Lo pan, tybrax, RNB,etc.. hopefully you'll take an emotional step back and learn from some of the people on here.

[Matthew_B]

Wow, sheer lunacy! If we believed you, every Police Dog Squad member and security guard dog unit would be suffering numerous injuries caused by their dogs. The fact that they don't is because the breeds selected are those which can be trained to restrain their aggressiveness and to attack only when commanded. The pitbull that killed the little girl that is the subject of this topic could not be stopped no matter what.

The dog that killed this little girl wasn't a pitbull Matthew and you know it.

The overwhelming majority of individuals of breeds used for police and security work fail the grade for a range of reasons. BTW, dog bites are pretty common in dog handlers.

Which part of "because some pitbulls might be dangerous doesn't mean ALL of them are" can't you grasp.

Some Labradors are dangerous Matthew. Seriously scarey dogs. Doesnt mean all of them are and you're in a better position than most to know it.

But take a poorly bred Labrador, fail to socialise it to recognise children as somethign other than prey, fail to teach it bite inhibition, fail to keep it in a manner that sees it form good social bonds with people, fail to train it to come back when its called and fail to exercise it regularly and you've got a recipe for a dangerous dog. The breed matters only as far as size and power go. It matter as far as bite thresholds and bite inhibitions go. It also matter as far as drives go. Crossbreed it with other large and powerful dogs and your capacity to know what its drives and inhibitions are decreases exponentially.

But none of those qualities is restriced to particular breeds, nor shared by all individuals within a breed. Assuming so is the path to disaster and that's the path that BSL takes.

Labradors weren't bred for fighting. Pitbulls were and are.

The pitbull debate will continue I am sure, but seriously Matthew_B don't you have any other ideas. Surely you don't think banning APBT's is just going to stop dog attacks from happening.

I only ever seem to see you post in topics regarding pitbulls.

Isn't it ironic that almost every death from a dog attack in the last decade or so has involved a dog that is a member of the pitbull breed, whether purebred or a cross? Yes, I do think that banning all breeds of pitbulls will prevent a considerable number of deaths and maimings because I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a news report of a person dying from an attack of a Beagle or a Dalmatian or a Labrador. Some of you members here are so blinkered with your love of this breed of dog that nothing anyone says or does will change your mind and that is a shame for both past and future victims of these hideous dogs.

blah blah blah blah blah blah You just dont get it nor do you listen.

blah blah blah blah blah blah no need for fighting dogs, period.

[poodlefan]

blah blah blah blah blah blah no need for fighting dogs, period.

No need for gundogs either Matthew.... shooting game is banned in most states. And as they bite kiddies, best we be rid of them.

OMG, another nasty Labrador attack - read the excuses made for the dog

And another!! Holy cow Labs are dangerous

A 2 year old girl at home was feeding her

pet labrador biscuits and he turned and

snapped. She received bites across her

face, and through cheek also causing eye

damage. She was admitted for treatment.

Its clear this breed attacks kids with no good reason. Best we kill them all now.

Edited August 19, 2011 by poodlefan

[raz]

blah blah blah blah blah blah no need for fighting dogs, period.

No need for gundogs either Matthew.... shooting is banned in most states. And as they bite kiddies, best we be rid of them.

Hunting to Hounds is out as well so best i get rid of my JRTs

[RottnBullies]

Your big boofhead in your sig with the smiley face and sitting over a book is a fantastic pic, Rottn. That's the kind of publicity you guys should be chasing at the moment

Well she's not owned by your typical macho, nor does she adorn studded/spiked collars, In fact we're In the process of getting a nice pink girly collar ;)

[raz]

Your big boofhead in your sig with the smiley face and sitting over a book is a fantastic pic, Rottn. That's the kind of publicity you guys should be chasing at the moment

Well she's not owned by your typical macho, nor does she adorn studded/spiked collars, In fact we're In the process of getting a nice pink girly collar ;)

NOOOOO. She's a redhead - redheads and pink dont go

Great idea. Gorgeous looking poochie and she'd look fabulous darrrrling all dressed up like zsa zsa gabor!

[Sticky]

List of fatalities in Australia here:

http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/151204-need-to-update-list-dogs-that-kill-in-aust/page__view__findpost__p__3156038

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[Matthew_B]

blah blah blah blah blah blah no need for fighting dogs, period.

No need for gundogs either Matthew.... shooting game is banned in most states. And as they bite kiddies, best we be rid of them.

OMG, another nasty Labrador attack - read the excuses made for the dog

And another!! Holy cow Labs are dangerous

A 2 year old girl at home was feeding her

pet labrador biscuits and he turned and

snapped. She received bites across her

face, and through cheek also causing eye

damage. She was admitted for treatment.

Its clear this breed attacks kids with no good reason. Best we kill them all now.

The fact you're searching the net for stories of dog attacks by Labradors to defend pitbulls demonstrates a level of desperation...

[Andisa]

blah blah blah blah blah blah no need for fighting dogs, period.

No need for gundogs either Matthew.... shooting game is banned in most states. And as they bite kiddies, best we be rid of them.

OMG, another nasty Labrador attack - read the excuses made for the dog

And another!! Holy cow Labs are dangerous

A 2 year old girl at home was feeding her

pet labrador biscuits and he turned and

snapped. She received bites across her

face, and through cheek also causing eye

damage. She was admitted for treatment.

Its clear this breed attacks kids with no good reason. Best we kill them all now.

Poodlefan - Credit where due, for someone who has no vested interest in large powerful dog breeds I am grateful that you have given up so much of your own time trying to educate those who either have no idea or simply don't care about anything that does not affect them TODAY..

Edited August 19, 2011 by Andisa

[Cat]

blah blah blah blah blah blah no need for fighting dogs, period.

No need for gundogs either Matthew.... shooting game is banned in most states. And as they bite kiddies, best we be rid of them.

OMG, another nasty Labrador attack - read the excuses made for the dog

And another!! Holy cow Labs are dangerous

A 2 year old girl at home was feeding her

pet labrador biscuits and he turned and

snapped. She received bites across her

face, and through cheek also causing eye

damage. She was admitted for treatment.

Its clear this breed attacks kids with no good reason. Best we kill them all now.

The fact you're searching the net for stories of dog attacks by Labradors to defend pitbulls demonstrates a level of desperation...

I think it is to prove a point...you are the one claiming it doesn't happen. Unfortunately it happens with ALL Breeds

I think most people don't even know what a pit bull is - they just see a pink nose. I haven't heard the DNA tests come back anyways to prove whether it was or wasn't? Have also heard it was a mastiff but that is also sometimes just labeled for any large dog.

Edited August 19, 2011 by Cat

[Kavik]

The DNA tests are hugely inaccurate. One of my friends got one done on her little long haired crossbreed (was sold as cav x poodle but has long body short legs) - DNA test came back Staffy X- I don't think so . . .

[poodlefan]

The fact you're searching the net for stories of dog attacks by Labradors to defend pitbulls demonstrates a level of desperation...

The point of the exercise was to demonstrate that breed alone does not make a dog dangerous any more than it makes a dog "safe". Efforts to prevent dangerous dogs in the community cannot afford to focus on breeds.

You said such stories wouldn't exist Matthew... and I've proven otherwise.

The fact that you're once again making personal comments tells me that you've seen your argument that Labradors aren't responsible for attacks on people blown clean out of the water with a few minutes of Googling.

The analogy was being used (since you seem incapable of grasping the point of it) to demonstrate that ascribing attacks to breed and using breed bans alone deal with the issue is an utter nonsense. Pitbulls are large powerful dogs - but so are Labradors.

Matthew the fact that you believe to your core that pitbulls are inherently dangerous dogs simply doesn't make it so. You can raise the level of your argument and take potshots at me but it doesn't change the fact that your belief is not borne out with facts.

You argued that since the dog that killed this poor little girl was a pitbull, they should all die. But it wasn't a pitbull.

You argued that other breeds of dog don't do what pitbulls can do. I've proved they can and do.

The difference between you and I Matthew is that I know for a fact that a whole range of contributing factors make a dangerous dog so that only dealing with one of them (breed) doesn't make society safer. You believe in the myth that killer dogs are born, not made.

I challenged you yesterday to find any evidence that breed specific legislation has made any community a safer place. Find it and you'll prove your point. I've looked and I can't find it. I can find evidence to the contrary though. Have you actually looked at the Calgary project yet?

Edited August 19, 2011 by poodlefan