krustie22 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) This link was posted by K9 Pro. Dr. Ian Dunbar on dog attacks. Edited August 18, 2011 by krustie22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julzjc Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Heaven forbid any bull breed owners don't have there ANKC papers sitting at the front door or in their pocket when walking their dog, I doubt "He/She does have papers, just let me find them." is going to cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) As far as I'm aware and someone correct me If I'm wrong but there Is no recorded fatality In Australia by an APBT, how Is culling/exterminating the breed going to prevent this from happening again I'm shuddering every time I think of that hotline and what It Is going to do Honestly what do they think It's going to achieve except for killing loved family pets. I hate to say It but where Qld has left of Vic Is picking up, I would hate to be living there ETA: Clarification Edited August 18, 2011 by RottnBullies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experiencedfun Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 maybe the state controlling bodies will do up little business cards for you to carry with you....didnt they do that for tail docking??????? or was it something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) I hate to scaremonger but IMO SBT owners should be f***ing terrified. Your dogs will be next for all the same reasons - bull breed with the capacity to attract the kind of owner that thinks a 'tough dog' will magically give them a longer penis. And so many pig ignorant BYBs out there prepared to sell them one or crossbred them with anything that breathes. If you have one with no papers.. be prepared. the thought of this brings me to tears I'll confess to feelings of despair that so many innocent dogs and loving owners will pay the price for the actions of the irresponsible. And that fear and ignorance will rule the day. Most Australians have never met a well socialised pitbull and are pushed to know more than a handful of breeds by sight. They have no direct experience in dog training, nor any direct experience with dog aggression. Their knowledge of dogs is limited to a few individuals and what they see on Australia's Funniest Home Videos (guaranteeed to make a dog trainer shudder) and the Dog Whisperer. But their beliefs will prevail. And the folk arguing for "deed not breed" will be written off as a bunch of pitbull apologists. Meanwhile those with what they consider to be "safe" breeds will smugly consider the world to be a safer place. And they will be wrong. Time to dust off the costumes folks. Edited August 18, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheebs Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Meanwhile those with what they consider to be "safe" breeds will smugly consider the world to be a safer place. And they will be wrong. Time to dust off the costumes folks. Thank you, PF. This is exactly what I was trying to say except far more succinct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 But how do you even implement a ban on all Pitbull Crosses? Who decides which dog is a Pitbull cross and which is a Staffy or Amstaff cross? Or a Cane Corso cross? You can't it is beyond impossible. Ridiculous. Simple. Round up anything with a big head, smooth coat and weighing over 18kg that isn't purebred and kill the lot. Anything red or brindle will be first in line. And don't think it can't happen. Exactly. Disgusting. The day this starts happening is the day I stop leaving the house. Both my dogs will be on the chopping block even though one has nothing remotely "pitbull" in her. That's why I said I thought it was ridiculous. Targetting a breed/cross breed is not going to make an owner responsible for them. On another news report here it said 'the dog community' (whoever they are) are calling for action to prevent any more incidents like this. All a bit generalised but I'd certainly be publicly active about ensuring any dog identified as human or other animal aggressive (as opposed to dangerous and as opposed to it being linked to specific breed) is only owned and contained by a person or people trained and capable of ensuring other people and other animals remain safe. I'm going to read the legislation governing the RSPCA tomorrow to see if there is something in there that supports this already occuring. Obviously there are too many variations on council regs but surely the national legislation must have something useful in it already regarding responsible pet ownership even if it is keeping the dog safe from harm as they are not keeping an aggressive dog safe from harm if it escapes, kills someone and then gets put down itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaisyDog Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Out of interest, because we are talking about Australia here, are there any Australian statistics re: dog attacks in non-BSL states/territories) (I believe NT, WA and ACT) vs BSL states and also what has been the effect on dog attacks in BSL states since the introduction of BSL ie pre- and post- statistics. I would be interested to know if anyone has ever done a comparison. This is not to take away from the horror of the attack and what that poor family is going through, my thoughts are with them today. The only 'pitbull' attacks I know of in the NT are pig dogs, which are always mongrels of many different breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 As far as I'm aware and someone correct me If I'm wrong but there Is no recorded fatality In Australia by an APBT, how Is culling/exterminating the breed going to prevent this from happening again I'm shuddering every time I think of that hotline and what It Is going to do Honestly what do they think It's going to achieve except for killing loved family pets. I hate to say It but where Qld has left of Vic Is picking up, I would hate to be living there ETA: Clarification QLD saw the light in regards to this due to the actions of John Mokomoko and supporters, No others, some big noted on here in this site from a breed club but was insignificant in contribution. Blind freddy saw it but smugness was borne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I know GT John an Co did an amazing job, only to get criticized by many, but the fact Is In the results now for all to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 As far as I'm aware and someone correct me If I'm wrong but there Is no recorded fatality In Australia by an APBT, how Is culling/exterminating the breed going to prevent this from happening again I'm shuddering every time I think of that hotline and what It Is going to do Honestly what do they think It's going to achieve except for killing loved family pets. I hate to say It but where Qld has left of Vic Is picking up, I would hate to be living there ETA: Clarification QLD saw the light in regards to this due to the actions of John Mokomoko and supporters, No others, some big noted on here in this site from a breed club but was insignificant in contribution. Blind freddy saw it but smugness was borne. Personally I think you should look to the CEO of RSPCA Qld for a fair proportion of the paradigm shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keira&Phoenix Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Yes and one wonders if all John and Co's hard work is going to go down the drain after this incident. Legislation in QLD has gotten a tad better and they have eased up on their witch hunt but what is to say this won't renew their witch hunt now. I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Yes and one wonders if all John and Co's hard work is going to go down the drain after this incident. Legislation in QLD has gotten a tad better and they have eased up on their witch hunt but what is to say this won't renew their witch hunt now. I hope not. CEO RSPCA Qld is not an advocate for BSL. Sadly the same cannot be said for CEO RSPCA Victoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krustie22 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) I found this quite interesting...great read for those that are PRO BSL... Does breed specific legislation reduce dog aggression on humans and other animals? A review paper Linda Watson http://www.aiam.com.au/resources/files/proceedings/caloundra2003/PUB_Pro03_67_74_Watson.pdf **Excerpt from above link • Breed specific legislation has not been shown to reduce the incidence of dog bites in any part of the world despite a twenty-year history. By its nature it is unjust. • Breed specific legislation removes responsibility for dog biting incidents from dog owners and places the blame on dogs. This is a dangerously simplistic solution to a complex problem. • Breed specific legislation engenders a false and dangerous perception that breeds not included will not show aggression. • Enforcing and administering any law comes at some monetary cost. This would be better used implementing non-discriminatory laws which have an ability to enhance public safety. • Aggression is a normal canine behaviour and can be shown by any dog of any breed or type. • To reduce the incidence of dog aggression, all dogs should be socialised, obedience trained, understood and managed competently by their owners. • People determine whether dogs will be useful inhabitants of a community or nuisances. It is the people who either intentionally or unintentionally foster viciousness in dogs whom legislators must endeavour to control. • As the dog bite statistics demonstrate, every breed of dog will bite. The likelihood of an unwarranted bite is determined by the circumstances and level of control/restraint. The dog’s breed is not relevant. It is more about owner competence than anything else EDIT to my awful spelling Edited August 18, 2011 by krustie22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) poodle fan it was 88 cases brought before the court in 4 years that made the change not RSPCA the RSPCA president was against BSL due to Johns cases brought to light, and its imperfections on 17a and the 22 point lookalike list , if you venture to the beginning of his reign he had a different stance similar though different. The vic pres has had a bug up his arse for ever since some one confronted him about it on a sidewalk, he cant see the Forrest for the trees. Nor can his bicycle mate from LDH. Edited August 18, 2011 by -GT- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Lets not make this thread about who did the best job in the QLD case. This thread is about a child that is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tybrax Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 (edited) This breed of dogs (pitbull) needs to be banned, period. They have been bred over many, many years to be fighting dogs. That is their pedigree, it is what they were bred to do. They weren't bred to be cuddly playthings for the kids to poke and prod. They fight, maim and kill and once they have experienced the taste of human blood they will more often than not be involved in repeat attacks. It is as simple as that and arguing otherwise is just plain stupid and irresponsible. There is no need for these kinds of vicious dogs to be kept as pets by anyone. I don't care how much of an expert on this breed someone claims to be, you cannot make this breed of dogs a safe breed. It is imprinted into their brains to fight and takes just one moment, one thing for them to be set off and then there's virtually no stopping them except a Police Officer and his gun. Jailing or fining owners is not the answer, as it will not save victims of these aggressive, powerfully built dogs. We need to be more proactive, rather than reacting only after someone has been maimed or killed. The only responsible course of action is for the breed to be banned and for breeding these dogs to also be banned until they cease to exist. This breed of dogs (pitbull) needs to be banned, period. They have been bred over many, many years to be fighting dogs. That is their pedigree, it is what they were bred to do. They weren't bred to be cuddly playthings for the kids to poke and prod. They fight, maim and kill and once they have experienced the taste of human blood they will more often than not be involved in repeat attacks. It is as simple as that and arguing otherwise is just plain stupid and irresponsible. There is no need for these kinds of vicious dogs to be kept as pets by anyone. I don't care how much of an expert on this breed someone claims to be, you cannot make this breed of dogs a safe breed. It is imprinted into their brains to fight and takes just one moment, one thing for them to be set off and then there's virtually no stopping them except a Police Officer and his gun. Jailing or fining owners is not the answer, as it will not save victims of these aggressive, powerfully built dogs. We need to be more proactive, rather than reacting only after someone has been maimed or killed. The only responsible course of action is for the breed to be banned and for breeding these dogs to also be banned until they cease to exist. l owned one for 12 years, raised with my children and grand children. She was very cuddly spoilt girl, loved the kids grandkids never once in all those years did she bite, attack, have a brain snap. Your comments are ridiculous. Do you honestly believe its only one breed that attacks and maims? Like sticky says there no such breed as a "PIT BULL" My heart goes out the the family so tragic. R.I.P. Little one.. Dr Collier.. Dangerous or a defamed breed http://www.dapbt.org/collier.htm Edited August 18, 2011 by tybrax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charli73 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Such a tragic event, I have a 5month old baby now and it certainly brings it close to home how quickly something like this can happent in an instant.... My heart goes out to the family.....what that poor girl went through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Almost every dog is capable of snapping, but is it a coincidence that pitbulls are the dogs most commonly associated with human deaths or horrendous injuries suffered by those lucky enough to live? I think not. Pitbulls are NOT the dogs most commonly associated with human deaths. Do your homework. Let me check the statistics to see how many people died from an attack by a Beagle last year... While you're at it, check what breeds top the bite stats. Seems to me that reference to statistics might shatter a few illusions for you. But how many people really register their dogs as Pitbulls? I know they're all over the Northern Beaches in Sydney but according to council only a small handful actually live there. It will get harder and harder to police plus other breeds will start to cop the heat as people label their pitbull type as a Mastiff X Lab etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 how do you know they are really purebred APBT? load of crap talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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