Rayvale Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D Edited September 17, 2011 by Purdie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilee Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. Not everyone wants a "rescue" dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. I wonder when it will occur to folk that if dogs are responsibly bred, placed in the right homes and socialised and trained right, there won't be any dogs IN rescue. If people want pups, and not adult dogs, responsible purebred breeders are IMO a better source than rescue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Wasn't there a rather infamous bill from Clover Moore about banning pet shop sales? And yet again, there was sneaky undertones which classed every premises that bred dogs as a commerical premises thus subjecting home breeders to ridiculous legal requirements. Again, just like Oscars Law, what seems a good idea on face value is surrounded up by ridiculous other agendas. Yes. Banning the sale of animals in pet shops may be a great idea. But I see this re-occurring trend to include extremist animal rights agendas with any sensible ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. I wonder when it will occur to folk that if dogs are responsibly bred, placed in the right homes and socialised and trained right, there won't be any dogs IN rescue. If people want pups, and not adult dogs, responsible purebred breeders are IMO a better source than rescue. Exactly but then again with the likes of "Oscars Law" in operation, there will be even less of us, with even less puppies to go round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilee Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. Not everyone wants a "rescue" dog no they don't, never said they do, and I'm by no means anti purebred - I breed and show myself, but I do not like puppies in petshops, and if petshops can't sell pups why not use them for rescue, and to balance things out they could also have contact numbers for breed clubs and Canine Orgs, our local pet shop refuses to stock puppies but does have contact numbers for breed clubs so when people ask they are pointed in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. Not everyone wants a "rescue" dog no they don't, never said they do, and I'm by no means anti purebred - I breed and show myself, but I do not like puppies in petshops, and if petshops can't sell pups why not use them for rescue, and to balance things out they could also have contact numbers for breed clubs and Canine Orgs, our local pet shop refuses to stock puppies but does have contact numbers for breed clubs so when people ask they are pointed in the right direction. Are you serious? All they care about is profit not responsibly rehoming. They pay around $35 for one puppy and the markup is massive. $1000 + at least each pup. Which Is why they will NOT STOP. They are not looking to responsibly rehome at all, they are after the markups! Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy_dog Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. there's already shops who do this, petstock is one and another is petbarn formerly was pets at home. not enough of them do this. pet barn claim it is a great hit and they make equal amount of money and they've managed to rehome many rescues from RSPCA i think or lost dogs home can't remember which they get their rescues from. pets at home was the ones if anyone remembers who wanted to stock petshops with reg breeds about 6-7 years ago so we protested about that and they switched to rescues. Edited August 16, 2011 by toy_dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. there's already shops who do this, petstock is one and another is petbarn formerly was pets at home. not enough of them do this. We do not sell pets and we point anyone looking for a dog in the direction of the DOL breeder listing or we give personal recommendations for breeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy_dog Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. there's already shops who do this, petstock is one and another is petbarn formerly was pets at home. not enough of them do this. We do not sell pets and we point anyone looking for a dog in the direction of the DOL breeder listing or we give personal recommendations for breeders. petstock in Essendon Vic, supported a day where by they had pugs from a puppy farm so had an adoption drive??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilee Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 no they don't, never said they do, and I'm by no means anti purebred - I breed and show myself, but I do not like puppies in petshops, and if petshops can't sell pups why not use them for rescue, and to balance things out they could also have contact numbers for breed clubs and Canine Orgs, our local pet shop refuses to stock puppies but does have contact numbers for breed clubs so when people ask they are pointed in the right direction. Are you serious? All they care about is profit not responsibly rehoming. They pay around $35 for one puppy and the markup is massive. $1000 + at least each pup. Which Is why they will NOT STOP. They are not looking to responsibly rehome at all, they are after the markups! Seriously. So you are saying every petshop exists for the sole purpose of selling pups at a huge markup - well I'm sure some of the ethical pet shop owners will be pleased to hear that. As TD and RSD wrote - it is already being done. Seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy_dog Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Wasn't there a rather infamous bill from Clover Moore about banning pet shop sales? And yet again, there was sneaky undertones which classed every premises that bred dogs as a commerical premises thus subjecting home breeders to ridiculous legal requirements. Again, just like Oscars Law, what seems a good idea on face value is surrounded up by ridiculous other agendas. Yes. Banning the sale of animals in pet shops may be a great idea. But I see this re-occurring trend to include extremist animal rights agendas with any sensible ideas. i think you may find that the reason why the bill didn't go through was because they said that selling pets in petshops helped fill the shelters because of impulse buys. So they couldn't find enough evidence for this or enough statistics to support it so they shelved it. i mean its a tricky one, what could one say for the reason why we want sales of dogs possibly cats stopped in petshops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy_dog Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 We do not sell pets and we point anyone looking for a dog in the direction of the DOL breeder listing or we give personal recommendations for breeders. that is excellent though keep up the good work. i found essendon petstock to be particularly good as well in my travels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hopefully back on topic............ I have skimmed through these 11 pages, and still have no definitive stance on "Oscars Law". What I do have however is a distaste for companion animals being sold in pet shops! There is no quick fix to ridding ourselves of Puppy Farmers, as I am sure that any person who has been around in their breed can tell you - there are ANKC registered breeders within their own breed "doing the wrong thing" by their dogs. But instead of firing up at emotive rallies wouldn't it be much simpler to lobby government to ban the sale of companion animals in pet shops? Yes, Yes, Yes... it would not eliminate PF's, but instead of legislating ourselves out of breeding the next well-rounded, health tested generation of purebreds, it would eliminate the impulse buy from consumers minds in the lovely, comfortable, well-lit shopping centre with nagging kids in tow. I know - there are still the newspaper ads, and the unscrupulous online advertisers, but if you reduce the demand even just a little bit - it reduces the potential return doesn't it? Just my simplistic view of things! :D and that is what we need - nothing emotive, no fingerpointing, no us versus them, and it takes away a huge chunk of the problem. Instead of puppies, with the right advice,training and suitable backup petshops could be used as one point of contact for putting people in contact with, and learning about available dogs in rescue. there's already shops who do this, petstock is one and another is petbarn formerly was pets at home. not enough of them do this. We do not sell pets and we point anyone looking for a dog in the direction of the DOL breeder listing or we give personal recommendations for breeders. petstock in Essendon Vic, supported a day where by they had pugs from a puppy farm so had an adoption drive??????? Are they a pet shop selling pets daily Toy Dog or are they a pet supply store supporting adoptions? That is the difference for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic.B Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 no they don't, never said they do, and I'm by no means anti purebred - I breed and show myself, but I do not like puppies in petshops, and if petshops can't sell pups why not use them for rescue, and to balance things out they could also have contact numbers for breed clubs and Canine Orgs, our local pet shop refuses to stock puppies but does have contact numbers for breed clubs so when people ask they are pointed in the right direction. Are you serious? All they care about is profit not responsibly rehoming. They pay around $35 for one puppy and the markup is massive. $1000 + at least each pup. Which Is why they will NOT STOP. They are not looking to responsibly rehome at all, they are after the markups! Seriously. So you are saying every petshop exists for the sole purpose of selling pups at a huge markup - well I'm sure some of the ethical pet shop owners will be pleased to hear that. As TD and RSD wrote - it is already being done. Seriously There is a difference between pet supply stores (which I support far too much!) and pet shops who sell companion animals for profit. Surely you understand that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy_dog Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Are they a pet shop selling pets daily Toy Dog or are they a pet supply store supporting adoptions? That is the difference for most of us. no i've bunged them together sorry. yes, they support adoptions every so often i think not too sure, not sure whether the pug day was a one off or is a regular thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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