Jake - Little Kelpie Boy

[garnali]

Hi, Just after some advice really..

I have a 12 week old Kelpie pup who shows HOD signs after initial vaccination..

He is currently on Prednisone and in high doses it seems to maintain him.. Each time we have tried to wean him off he becomes ill again.

His main syptoms are the acute pain & swelling in front legs and lack of weightbearing strength in rear legs. He becomes listless and refuses to eat.. I syringe him with fluids to keep him hydrated at these times.

Has anyone been through this with a pup??

What outcome should I expect? (He already has one hyperextended carpal joint.)

I have read that symptoms can last until 12 months of age..

Any advice would be wonderful..

THANKS...

Edited October 3, 2012 by garnali

[nabs]

I have had two Danes I pulled through this after Vaccianations. This got them through.

http://www.doglogic.com/hod.htm

Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy

or a Blood Infection?

by Hazel Gregory

Chloramphenicol is used interchangably in this article with "CHLOROMYCETIN" they are the same drug.

My first experience with HOD, 'Hypertophic Osteodystrophy' was back in 1962 with a Great Dane litter. The best thing I can say about that long, sad and frustrating ordeal is that the learning experience for myself as well as for my vet (Dr. D. Burke, Ft. Worth, retired), has been undeniably valuable down through the following years. The hopelessness of that situation led me to believe that as a serious dog breeder the need for a better understanding of the nutritional needs, and the chemistry of a dog's make-up as well as genetics was of utmost impedance.

Thus a long and diligent study of animal and human nutritional needs Is to this day a constant searching; a study of both medical and Mother Nature's facts and theories. I do believe it was this serious study of large, fast growing dogs' nutritional needs as compared to the commercial dog foods available, over the years, has perhaps saved my Great Danes from a repeat episode of HOD as described in veterinary medical publications. Unfortunately that long (20 year) dry spell was soon to end.

It is my hope that this true story will help dog owners and veterinarians recognize that the symptoms of HOD and what I call Pseudo-HOD (*note: Some people take exception to the term Pseudo-HOD, fearing that it will be confused with true HOD. Though they are not the same at all, in fact they mimic each other in appearance/symptoms, hence the use of the term Pseudo HOD. Also be alert for a Vaccine induced reaction which can also mimic these symptoms), a blood infection, or Septicemia, are quite nearly the same. My proof of this claim is a story that needs to be told.

My story starts back in September of 1984, the weekend of the Dallas/Ft. Worth Kennel Club's Dog Shows and the Great Dane Specialty. My husband and I lived about a two hour drive due west of Dallas. I had puppies to sell and I had buyers that wanted us to meet on that dog show weekend. Fortunately I had a friend in Dallas that had room at his home for me and my pups. The Dallas Great Dane Club's Specialty party was to be at his home and I was looking forward to a fun weekend. My friend had told me that his prize female puppy was sick with HOD. His vet, Dr. Chipper Wilkerson, said it was a classic case - but the prescribed treatment didn't seem to help much. I hadn't seen a case of HOD since the 1960's We discussed the pain, high fever, diet and the helplessness of coping with HOD. I couldn't believe HOD was back again. That weekend my friend's puppy was rushed back to the vet and although they did all they could the puppy died. My friend's disappointment and sadness was obvious, but like most dog people he knew one bad to learn to hang in there and move on.

That weekend I had sold several of my puppies to good show homes. Four of the puppies had gone home with their new owners; one to Dallas, one to Houston, one to Alaska, and one to Wisconsin. Three puppies came back home with me. One of these, a male, was to be lead and house trained for his new owner.

The following Wednesday, while working with the male puppy, I noticed he didn't act up to par. I reasoned that he hadn't quite recovered from the stress of the weekend trip and strange surroundings. Thursday the puppy was not any better but was still eating, had no temperature, but was playing less. Friday morning the puppy was sick-sick - completely down. with a raging fever. I rushed him to the vet where I had to leave him as I was to be gone for the weekend on a judging assignment. The veterinarian, Dr. Aleta Pierce in Stephenville, Texas, had just opened her new clinic. She was young, eager to succeed and had a brilliant, inquisitive mind. I felt confident that the puppy would be fine and that I would get a call on Monday to come and get him. Monday I did get that call. Dr. Pierce said, "it took a high dose of antibiotic by IV to bring the temperature down but he would be fine now." The pup's temperature was gone, he was eating, had bright clear eyes, looked and acted fine except he couldn't walk. His rear just collapsed when lie tried. Dr. Pierce said, "he'll be OK. In a few days he'll be stronger and able to walk, He's had more than enough antibiotics to get whatever caused the problem. Take him home to rest and he'll get better."

I did just that. The pup ate well and his eyes were clean he would struggle to stand but fell over when trying to walk. His hind legs just would not work. By Wednesday the puppy's fever was back again; full force! I took the puppy back to Dr. Pierce and left him there.

The next day Dr. Pierce talked to her professors at Texas A&M Veterinary School; she then called me to come to the clinic because we needed to talk. Dr. Pierce said A&M suspected HOD, her first case. The X-rays she took were inconclusive at the point. Note: X-rays usually are at this early stage. My reaction was Instant. From what I had learned HOD is not contagious. HOD is a nutritional chemical imbalance. I explained to Dr. Pierce about my friend's HOD puppy and my puppies being at his kennel.

My previous experience with HOD and these current events were very different. Could them be a connection or is this Just coincidental? We talked about the calcium-phosphorus blood serum ratio It was normal. I asked her if this could be a spinal infection. Her antibiotics treatment had brought the fever down even if only temporarily. I suggested trying Chloromycetin. I had learned years ago that Chloromycetin was the only antibiotic that crossed Mother Nature's natural barrier that protects the brain, the spinal cord, mammary glands, and bone marrow. Dr. Pierce said that with the rear end being affected it could be a myelitis, at this point the lab tests and the X-rays are inconclusive. If it is myelitis chloromycetin is the drug to use. We'll have to make periodic -blood tests to watch for a possible blood eclasia, which is unlikely but a necessary precaution when using this drug." (Since then I have been Informed that a blood eclasia does not occur in dogs. only humans.) If this treatment isn't successful and it is HOD, more X-rays will prove such as it progresses. Note again, early stages of HOD do not show joint swelling - Fever and joint soreness comes first.

I left the puppy and Dr. Pierce started him on Chloromycetin, the dosage to be 25mg per pound of body weight, three times a day. The puppy stayed in the clinic through the weekend. Dr. Pierce called on Monday and asked that I come in to see what I thought. It was amazing; the puppy was running around the clinic acting and looking like he had never been sick. Dr. Pierce said, "the Chloromycetin did it and (was to keep him on it for ten days to 2 weeks after which he would be fine." He was, but this puppy was only the beginning of more HOD -troubles to come.

Within the week I received a phone call from the puppy buyer who lived in Houston. Her puppy, "Beau" was from a different litter and was also with me that Dallas weekend; he was approximately two months older than the other puppy. I sold Beau as a top show puppy; his pedigree was excellent. It was a great home for this puppy. I kept his litter sister, my Daria Jane, ten years young, fat and healthy to this day. This new puppy owner said her puppy started acting sick shortly after they got home from Dallas. They had treated him with antibiotics; he improves for a while but then gets sick again. He lies around a good deal and he cries if pressure is applied to his joints; at this point he can hardly walk, and his new owner is very concerned, Her vet, Dr. A. Senske In Houston, Texas, suspects the beginning of HOD but his X-rays are not conclusive yet, he would X-ray again In seven days. I told her about my sick pup and suggested she start her puppy on Chloromycetin, which, she did

Beau showed signs of feeling better while on the Chloromycetin. He was only on the Chloromycetin two or three days when his 2nd X-rays were taken. The X-rays were sent to a radiology lab to confirm Dr. Senske's diagnosis, again a classic case of HOD. Dr. Senske said to stop using the Chloromycetin as it can't help since HOD is a nutritional (mineral) imbalance. The new owner was very upset as she liked this puppy. Her husband, an orthopedic specialist, told her "as bad as the puppy's legs are he will never be right." Dr. Senske's prognosis was also very discouraging.

I was frantic! By this time I was convinced that we were dealing with an infection that produced the same symptoms as HOD. I wanted the puppy treated with Chloromycetin. I offered to refund the purchase price if she would meet me half way between Houston and Dallas and return the puppy (an eight hour round trip for both of us), she agreed. When we met to make the exchange I was handed a copy of the lab report that had arrived that morning. We were stunned! It did confirm Dr. Senske's diagnosis of HOD but it also said, "New findings suggest hematogenous (blood) infection as a cause. Do not treat as prescribed for HOD, use antibiotic instead. WOW - I knew I was on the right track!

I brought Beau back home, took him to Dr. Pierce and began the Chloromycetin treatment. It required three series of ten days on and ten days off before we were sure that the infection was defeated. This was the recommended treatment when a chronic situation is suspected. Beau had a serious case. He had been treated with other antibiotics before HOD was suspected which I learned later usually suppresses the infection but will not cure it. Chloromycetin is the drug that works. All Beau's joints were much more swollen than the first puppy's and it took a long time before returning to normal.

Periodically during Beau's recovery Dr. Senske and I discussed this case. He was as surprised as I was regarding the lab report and will confirm the facts of this case as well as other similar cases he has since treated. A copy of this lab report was also sent to Dr. Chipper Wilkerson. He was equally amazed and also supports this form of treatment. This Great Dane Beau grew to his full potential; finished his AKC championship, produced fine puppies and never showed any negative aftereffects of his so called HOD. Note: a month later a litter brother to my friend's bitch that had died came down with so-called HOD. This dog was cured with Chloromycetin also. Two other puppies, litter mates to my puppy, the one in Alaska and the one in Wisconsin, had the same HOD symptoms several months later. When I received their owners frantic telephone calls I sent out copies of the lab report. Both dogs were cured after treatment with Chloromycetin.

Remember all these dogs were exposed to my friend's bitch that died of HOD. Periodically through the years I have received many telephone calls from people all over the country who heard that Hazel Gregory knows how to cure HOD. All the calls have been word of mouth reference through Great Dane people. Usually their dogs are in terrible condition by the time they call me and their vet is willing to try "whatever it takes." These vets and owners have all been astounded by the positive results attained when Chloromycetin is administered. Several vets have called me because they were skeptical but agreed to try the Chloromycetin treatment after we talked; I usually sent a copy of the lab report to them. Later on they all but one acknowledged successful results. This vet refused to treat as I suggested. He could not accept what I told him and said he didn't like to use Chloromycetin. This is a comment I often hear when talking to veterinarians. The puppy's owner said the vet did prescribe half the required dosage for five days only. That helped a little but wasn't enough. After the five days the puppy went back down and eventually had to be put to sleep

More recently I have heard from an Irish Setter breeder. She had two different dogs diagnosed as having HOD. She was told by a friend to call me. Her vet willingly started the treatment as suggested, again with successful results. One of the puppies had a more severe case and had to receive two series of treatments. This Irish Setter breeder showed me her dog at a recent dog show. She said his legs had large knobs and swollen joints before treatment. When I saw him his legs were fine; he was a beautiful dog. This lady, Shirley Murray, and her husband Roy, are well known respected breeders and professional handlers. They, as well as many others, have encouraged me to write this article

It seems that the dreaded symptoms of so called HOD are continuing to occur randomly on not only Great Danes but on different giant, large and medium size breeds. More often than not those afflicted dogs' prognosis leads to a painful, hopeless heartbreaking end.The reason I call this terrible disease Pseudo-HOD is because as I see it, the symptoms are the same as real HOD but the cause and treatment are totally different. At the end of this article is a copy of the lab report I have previously referred to from the Houston Veterinary Radiology Clinic dated 10-22-84. signed by Dr. C. B. Quick, DVM, M.S. I think this report proves I am correct regarding antibiotic treatment with reference to a blood infection. Also see Ref. 3. Notice the antibiotics list does not emphasize that Chloramphenicol (generic name for Chloromycein) is the drug of choice. But remember the Mother Nature barrier -Chloramphenicol is the only one listed that gets to the core of the infection - the bone marrow where blood is made. As I see it, the preliminary use and periodically changing of different antibiotics creates a see saw effect and possible chronic condition. Then as the infection hangs on the joints become inflamed and calcium deposits start to build up on the outer extremities of the long bone just above the joints. When this happens, the pup is well into the disease, perhaps 1-2 weeks. X-rays are then taken and HOD is diagnosed. HOD, medically speaking, is listed under the heading of "Disease of Undetermined Etiology" (see Ref. #7) which basically says they don't know the cause or cure of HOD.

Veterinarians are advised that treatment should be directed toward controlling fever and reducing pain using analgesics and/or corticosteroids. Prognosis is grim. Antibiotics are used only to control possible secondary infections such as tonsillitis, etc. With Dr. A. Senske's help I have obtained several pertinent veterinary medical documents on HOD research and findings. These are dated back to the early 70's, 80's, and into the 90's. Actually very little scientific help is available that shows consistent facts and findings that work or help. They all basically have the same conclusion. Medical science does not have any scientific proof as to the cause or treatment of HOD (see Ref. 47). All these documents are listed in the References.

Over the years whenever I received a phone call asking about HOD I have always suggested the same treatment and diet. It always works - I only ask for a follow up progress report. So far I've had 99% success. The treatment I recommend is:

Always work with your veterinarian (* Do not give Vitamin C supplements while on antibiotics.)

Start immediately on Chloramphenicol 25mg per one pound body weight 3 times a day for 10 days - 2 weeks. Example: a 40 lb. pup gets 1 gram 3x day - do not under dose.

(Try Antirobe if your vet cannot access Chloramphenicol)

For fever and Inflammation use only as needed Ascriptin and/or Phenylbutazone.

Try not to use any cortisone shots or pills.

Give plenty of rest in crate or x-pen with soft bedding and water always available.

Do not force exercise - only free choice.

EDITORS NOTE: Please have your veterinarian run a blood test for Septicemia BEFORE beginning a course of antibiotics. IF they find evidence of an infection, have the vet culture to determine what the infection is. This accomplishes several things, including avoiding wasting time guessing at the drug which may help, and preventing damage of intestinal flora by possibly giving antibiotics which were not needed in the first place. Destruction of intestinal flora can suppress immune functions and cause diarrhea, and allow systemic yeast to grow out of control, resulting in allergy-like reactions, such as skin problems and ear infections.

DIET

1. Mix and feed twice a day - AM and PM - same time always continue with your regular good quality dog food - protein should range 20-25%, fat should range 8-10%. Add small amount of tasties (chicken is good).

2. Important - add to each feeding 2-3 Tbs. tonic formula (below)

TONIC FORMULA

To mix tonic formula use equal amounts each of pure Apple Cider Vinegar and Honey = 1 quart. Example: 1 pint Apple Cider Vinegar + 1 pint Honey.

NOTE: slightly warm honey (not hot) mixes easier with warm vinegar - store at room temperature.

do not free feed dry dog food

do not force feed

do not feed fancy high powered - high fat - high protein -low roughage (stress type) dog food.

Although it has its purpose a simple basic healthy diet is always best. Stay with this kind of diet plus the tonic which is an old time recipe used for years as an arthritis remedy (see Ref #8). Remember the old saying, "an apple a day keeps the doctor away." IT WORKS! This over all general tonic is the best formula I've found in raising fast growing large bone dogs. The Apple Cider Vinegar helps keep the calcium intake in a soluble state so it can be more easily absorbed into the system. It also helps dissolve and flush out acid crystals that build up in the muscles and joints.

A must read for dog breeders Is Dr. D. G. Garvis's book on Vermont Folk Medicine. This book was my start in learning how to appreciate the many benefits of natural foods and healing. Up until then my studies were more concentrated on vitamin and mineral requirements and supplements. I can't Imagine raising Great Danes without the help of Apple Cider Vinegar and Honey Tonic. All our dogs - youngsters, oldsters and in betweens - even my husband and myself have a daily shot with a glass of ice water. It tastes like Apple Cider - GOOD!!

**Make sure you get Raw Apple Cider Vinegar froma health food store, it should still have the "mother" in a ring at the bottom of the bottle.

Good Luck and God Bless. HAZEL GREGORY, 647 Private Rd 2706, Aubrey, Texas 76227, (940) 365-2431.

[garnali]

Thank You !!!!!

I have read so many contradictory vet sites & knew there HAD to be someone who had some natural remedies... Have taken him off "puppy food" & have started a Rice Chicken & veg stew type diet..(Put thru blender) At least then I know what's in it.

Will be racing to health shop in morning for the Apple cider vinegar though.. He's been getting honey water to rehydrate..

Will also be taking article to my vet on monday... They had no idea of what treatment to try.. All came back with grim prognosis..

Thanks again & I'll update you on his progress

[nabs]

Thank You !!!!!

I have read so many contradictory vet sites & knew there HAD to be someone who had some natural remedies... Have taken him off "puppy food" & have started a Rice Chicken & veg stew type diet..(Put thru blender) At least then I know what's in it.

Will be racing to health shop in morning for the Apple cider vinegar though.. He's been getting honey water to rehydrate..

Will also be taking article to my vet on monday... They had no idea of what treatment to try.. All came back with grim prognosis..

Thanks again & I'll update you on his progress

I would try and get him to the Vet ASAP get him on a drip and get those antibiotics into him. You cannot get the exact ones here in Aust but they can get in a similar one. Don't waste time as they go downhill very fast. We nearly lost both our pups. Luckily the treatment got them through. Show your vet the article. You MUST get the right antibiotics though.

[nabs]

Good luck. They wont eat because they run a very high fever so need meds for that as well.

[Cazstaff]

This forum is such a wealth of knowledge and experience, absolutely wonderful work you two

[nabs]

I would not be feeding rice to a youngster with HOD. Rice is very high in phosphorous and bumps the calcium absorption rate. Put him on a low protein adult dry food. Very basic, low fat low protein. Keep thing simple and don't add anything to unbalance the dry food. They do recover but it does take time. It is a very painful problem.

[garnali]

Thanks again..

He is very texture conscious with his food.

I have some optimum adult dry food.. would that suit?

And Cazstaff thanks for the vote of confidence :D

I hope I can see this little guy through.. It's the most painful thing to watch.. No matter where you touch him he squeals & falls asleep with a horrible whine when he's in pain.. He's such a gorgeous pup that I would try anything to save him.. Think he will be my failed foster ;)

[garnali]

We had a vet visit this morning.. after a long night..

Vet rolled her eyes but agreed to put him on Clinacin at a high dose.

She also gave him some pain management. He had a relatively normal temperature thank goodness..

I also got the lecture about growth plate deformities and long term affects. Told the vet I would deal with those as they showed. Again got the look..

Hoping that he starts to improve again..

He hasnt regained his appetite yet but is still drinking..

Will update again during the week..

[Cazstaff]

We had a vet visit this morning.. after a long night..

Vet rolled her eyes but agreed to put him on Clinacin at a high dose.

She also gave him some pain management. He had a relatively normal temperature thank goodness..

I also got the lecture about growth plate deformities and long term affects. Told the vet I would deal with those as they showed. Again got the look..

Hoping that he starts to improve again..

He hasnt regained his appetite yet but is still drinking..

Will update again during the week..

You are amazing garnali, poor little pup it sounds terrible. Lucky he has you fighting for him.

Im watching this post so please keep it updated when you can, Im sending him lots of healing thoughts and strength to you both.

[garnali]

Day two of the new regime...

Thought I had lost him last night.. Even refused to drink.. Had that death stare in his eyes.

This morning expexcted the worst but found him alert & drinking again..

Swelling is reducing in front legs and he's looking for attention..

Hopefully we've been through the worst. Tough little man..

This is him a week ago..

Edited August 8, 2011 by garnali

[nabs]

Once they turn the corner they do pick up!! Keep us up to speed good luck!!!

[garnali]

Thanks for all the support..

This is Jake this morning.. OH calls him my basket dog as I have him in a basket that I can move around the house..

Not sure if you can see his front legs but they have halved in size overnight.

[nabs]

Terrific news I hope the vet is not rolling her eyes now!

[Cazstaff]

What wonderful news! and what a Gorgeous pup garnali

[garnali]

Jake has hit the last hurdle and hasnt got the strength to jump it..

Trip to the vet today & I'll hold his hand as he crosses the bridge..

It's time for him to romp and play pain free..

Thanks for all the support I received from the many people in rescue..

[Cazstaff]

Jake has hit the last hurdle and hasnt got the strength to jump it..

Trip to the vet today & I'll hold his hand as he crosses the bridge..

It's time for him to romp and play pain free..

Thanks for all the support I received from the many people in rescue..

So sad garnali, I will be thinking of you both.

You have done so much for him, he was lucky to have landed in your lap. He has known love and amazing care.

Its so hard to let them go but aren't we so lucky to be able to help them on their way peacefully and with love.

Run free brave little man, you'll not be forgotten

Hugs to you garnali

[garnali]

UPDATE ......

My wonderful vet has decided to make Jake his special project..

He is in their care for a few days to see if there is any way of solving his problems..

He has been xrayed & sedated & will receive the best care possible..

All of the staff have fallen in love with Jake & I know if there is any chance of correcting his problem they will find it..

Thanks to the dedicated and wonderful staff at The Gables - Monash..

[Cazstaff]

A nice surprise. My thoughts are with him, come on Jakey boy!!

Hats off to your vets, its lovely to see such caring generosity.

[tdierikx]

Hang in there Jakey!! Your skin-friends are rooting for you little man!

T.