perth_girl Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I went into a animal supply store yesterday (doesnt sell live animals) and one of the workers told me he has 84 dogs. After I gave him this look he said 'oh, Im a breeder.....2 different types'. I still think that sounds like a few too many dogs Lol Surely he was exaggerating...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Megz- Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) My friend has always had 50 plus, the number is gradually dropping as the average age is getting higher but for me it's not unusual. 84 would be too many for me though To me, condition of the dogs is more important than the quantity. Edited July 30, 2011 by -Megz- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Flying Furball Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 i reckon generalisations are dangerous, especially on here. How the dogs are kept and treated, and the owner's philosophy toward breeding could answer your question...all stuff we don't know details of. That said, a person with five dogs could behave with all the traits of a money making, inhumane farmer too. Personally, I couldn't imagine choosing to have that many... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 he must have a buisness, theres no way one person can clean, feed maintain that many by themselves let alone litters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I went into a animal supply store yesterday (doesnt sell live animals) and one of the workers told me he has 84 dogs. After I gave him this look he said 'oh, Im a breeder.....2 different types'. I still think that sounds like a few too many dogs Lol Surely he was exaggerating...right? Not necessarily many of the big kennels may keep many small breed dogs. It's the care and nutrition that is more important than the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Ask more questions and decide based on what you find out. He'd have to have a substantial kennel (in one of the kennel zones) and several people working on dog care to do a decent job caring for that many dogs. It could be done well . . . but ya, I'd worry about puppy farming. Are you sure he wan't teasing you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Obviously with so many dogs, if accurate, it must be a commercial business based thing as opposed to breeding & keeping as pets, because obviously you can't have that many as pets. If the dogs are kept in good conditions, & well cared for with the help of staff it is still really a puppy farm. Years ago many dogs were bred this way in large kennel facilities, at least in the UK. It was a acceptable. Times change & now we think it is wrong. I have kept between 4 & 8 dogs for years, not all breeding dogs, some got old & were pets only but that is my limit as I like them to be companions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Not necessarily many of the big kennels may keep many small breed dogs. It's the care and nutrition that is more important than the numbers. What about socialisation? If dogs are to be raised to be companion animals....& to produce puppies destined to be companion animals...socialisation is the key element. That statement is backed by research. How does someone provide socialisation for 84 dogs & whatever puppies they have? Without socialisation, it's farming (no matter how many dogs someone has & what physical care they get)). With socialisation, it's raising dogs/puppies to be companions around people. Small breeds are usually destined to be close companion dogs, which heightens the need for them to be raised in circumstances where both the puppies & the parent dogs are well socialised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilly Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Even if he was a legit breeder - that is just far too many dogs. You can't exercise, socialised and work with that many dogs. They would have to spend significant amounts of time in kennels without human contact ... it just isn't healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 For goodness sake stop and think for a while. How do you think the big kennels around the world survived. Some of the big breeding kennels in the UK survived very well and so do the dogs. Just because people live more urban lives these days in Aust. doesn't mean that some of the big kennels havent survived around the world. It can be nothing to some people to own many dogs and cope well and the dogs cope well too. Don't forget some of the big kennels are owned by wealthy people. Some of these kennels supply some of our top winning show dogs. Without these kennels how would we replace our gene pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Even if he was a legit breeder - that is just far too many dogs. You can't exercise, socialised and work with that many dogs. They would have to spend significant amounts of time in kennels without human contact ... it just isn't healthy. Ever heard of kennel staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Dogs in some of the large kennels I have known get more human contact and stimulation during the day than most pets that languish at home whilst their owners work all day. Dogs can be happy & healthy and mentally sound when kept in numbers greater than the average doler can manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Even if he was a legit breeder - that is just far too many dogs. You can't exercise, socialised and work with that many dogs. They would have to spend significant amounts of time in kennels without human contact ... it just isn't healthy. This I have been breeding Standard Poodles for nearly 20 years - could not imagine having so many dogs - if your dogs are not part of your family & the litters personally overseen by you then, in MY opinion, you are a Puppy Farmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle Mum Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Well said poodlemum ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I'm thinking if this guy is working in a pet supply store, he's not making much off his breeding business... 84 dogs is a full time job on it's own to look after - and that's just making sure all the poop is cleaned up and they are fed, watered, etc... Even half that number is a full time job to look after. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) So if someone to has a large number of dogs is a farmer, does that make people who breed their pets in their back yard are BYB's? I have no issue with someone who keeps a large number of dogs provided they are healthy, well cared for and exercised often. And if this means you need kennel staff then so be it. I have known people who keep large numbers of dogs who get more attention then others who only keep a few. Edited July 30, 2011 by Bjelkier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indigirl Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Wow thats a lot of dogs! I would never even be able to remember all their names.. im guessing they dont live inside LOL no one except the mentally confused could have that many dogs living indoors. I dont ever want to have so many dogs that they cant sleep in the house and be pets, thats my rule of thumb. Plus provide adequate food, stimulation exercise etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tay. Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 :dropjaw: that's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkySoaringMagpie Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 It is true that some of the old school kennels had lots of dogs, but equally true that not all did, especially if they didn't have the luxury of staff. The latter would sell any dog that wasn't going to get them to the next step. The difficulty for breeders is that if you move on any dogs that are not going to contribute directly to your future plans you're seen as heartless, if you keep the oldies, you're seen as bordering on hoarding and "not serious". So they can't win. I am wary of "farmer" accusations, particularly within a breed, as it's yet another insult people can fling about. If the quality of the dogs' care is not up to snuff, and i include in that care for their mental health, then 2 can be too many, or 20 can be too many - it depends. My other measure this days is "how many of this breeder's dogs wind up in rescue". If it's more than the odd one, then they are breeding more than they can sell responsibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) I went into a animal supply store yesterday (doesnt sell live animals) and one of the workers told me he has 84 dogs. After I gave him this look he said 'oh, Im a breeder.....2 different types'. I still think that sounds like a few too many dogs Lol Surely he was exaggerating...right? I was just considering the possibilty that my perceptions of Australia were skewed and I must be a crazy, disgruntled Libertine in love, to not want to call Australia home any more. But I tune back in and yep, the small-mind-from-a-big-place mentality seems to be alive, ripe and well! [btw who cares how many dogs someone has why are you so ready to stick your nose in and judge? Oh that's roight ... it's your moral perogative yeah yeah] Edited July 30, 2011 by lilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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