Bringing A Dog To Another Country

[nicolatu]

Hi everyone, I would like to bring my Border Collie with me to Macau (next to Hong Kong). There is no direct flight from Melbourne to Macau. I was just wondering which pet transport service is more reliable? Thanks!

[MonElite]

Permanently or for holidays?

[dancinbcs]

Check to see if his papers are marked "Not for Export". If so he cannot be taken out of the country.

If you do take him to Macau, then it has to be a permanent because getting him out of there again would be very complicated and expensive with quarantine.

[Greytmate]

Jet Pets fly dogs to Macau. It isn't cheap or simple to get dogs there.

[nicolatu]

Thanks for the replies. I will be bringing him there permanently and I have been quoted by Dog Tainers for $2500. Dog tainers will transport him by going through Manila then to Macau. But my girlfriend is a bit worried about my dog going to Manila (as both of us haven't been there before). The price is not too much of an issue for us. We are more concern about his wellbeing when travelling. Anyone has experience with Dog Tainers which they could share?

Jetpets only transport him to Hong Kong though.

Edited July 23, 2011 by nicolatu

[Ons]

Isn't Macau right next door to Hong Kong?

Hong Kong International Airport - Macau

If you are arriving via Hong Kong International Airport, the airport ferry service is available. Passengers can transit into or out of Macau via Hong Kong International Airport without the need to go through HK Customs and Immigration formalities and also without the hassle of carrying their luggage to the ferry terminal. The trip to Macau Route is approximately 45 minutes.

so could you fly him into Hong Kong and then use the ferry to get him over to Macau? Would have thought it a far more direct route than flying to Manila then to Macau

[BJean]

Hi everyone, I would like to bring my Border Collie with me to Macau (next to Hong Kong). There is no direct flight from Melbourne to Macau. I was just wondering which pet transport service is more reliable? Thanks!

Arrange it with the airline directly - your cost will be around $20-$50 / kg for total volume ie (dog + crate).

It's important to check what time of day your flights depart and arrive and how long your stopover is.

You will have more flexibility if your organise your airfare yourself and your dog will get better treatment if it is accompanied by a person, rather than flying as independent cargo.

Transport companies tend to stick with the status quo and are insured for certain routes where they have trade contacts in the corresponding country.

The only contacts you need to make are in Macau and you can do that easy enough by contacting the Government Veterinary department.

I just flew with two puppies from Ankara to Kuala Lumpur via Doha with the ultimate destination, Australia.

Every transport company had a fit with the details and couldn't work with the itinerary.

btw did you know Turkish Airlines lets you take your dog on board with you, and Uzbekistan Airways lets you carry on monkeys? Qatar have a good cargo service but no dogs allowed on board, only falcons :D

Edited July 23, 2011 by lilli

[BJean]

Thanks for the replies. I will be bringing him there permanently and I have been quoted by Dog Tainers for $2500. Dog tainers will transport him by going through Manila then to Macau. But my girlfriend is a bit worried about my dog going to Manila (as both of us haven't been there before). The price is not too much of an issue for us. We are more concern about his wellbeing when travelling. Anyone has experience with Dog Tainers which they could share?

Jetpets only transport him to Hong Kong though.

Manila wont be a problem if your stopover time is short.

How your dog will get treated depends on the airline and the ground staff, but its the airline who determine everything.

Make sure your dog gets a PRIORITY sticker on his crate, so that he is first in and first out during any plane transfers.

Are you traveling Business Class or Economy?

On costs, transport companies quoted $5000-$6000, for what cost me $800 in excess air freight. (2 dogs: Turkey - Qatar - Malaysia)

Use this site:

www.skyscanner.net

and this one:

www.expedia.com.au

to find the best itinerary for you and your dog ie: look at airlines, arrival / departure times, and layover time.

You are better off in Manilla for a four hour stopover at 1am, than in Hong Kong for 2 hours at 1pm.

NB: If you are going to give $2500 to Dog Tainers, you may as well give that $2500 to the Airline, travel Business Class and your dog will have a much better level of service than Dog Tainers could ever arrange.

Edited July 23, 2011 by lilli

[oakway]

Thanks for the replies. I will be bringing him there permanently and I have been quoted by Dog Tainers for $2500. Dog tainers will transport him by going through Manila then to Macau. But my girlfriend is a bit worried about my dog going to Manila (as both of us haven't been there before). The price is not too much of an issue for us. We are more concern about his wellbeing when travelling. Anyone has experience with Dog Tainers which they could share?

Jetpets only transport him to Hong Kong though.

Manila wont be a problem if your stopover time is short.

How your dog will get treated depends on the airline and the ground staff, but its the airline who determine everything.

Make sure your dog gets a PRIORITY sticker on his crate, so that he is first in and first out during any plane transfers.

Are you traveling Business Class or Economy?

On costs, transport companies quoted $5000-$6000, for what cost me $800 in excess air freight. (2 dogs: Turkey - Qatar - Malaysia)

Use this site:

www.skyscanner.net

and this one:

www.expedia.com.au

to find the best itinerary for you and your dog ie: look at airlines, arrival / departure times, and layover time.

You are better off in Manilla for a four hour stopover at 1am, than in Hong Kong for 2 hours at 1pm.

NB: If you are going to give $2500 to Dog Tainers, you may as well give that $2500 to the Airline, travel Business Class and your dog will have a much better level of service than Dog Tainers could ever arrange.

Don't know where you live but dogs can not travel out of Australia other than freight or into Australia for that matter.

Dogs in this country all travel as freight no matter where they go.

If you are interested in another quote from another shipper why not give Wayrod a member of this forum a private e mail as to freight costs.

[BJean]

Don't know where you live but dogs can not travel out of Australia other than freight or into Australia for that matter.

Dogs in this country all travel as freight no matter where they go.

If you are interested in another quote from another shipper why not give Wayrod a member of this forum a private e mail as to freight costs.

Yes very familiar with Australia and its Border policies

Many other countries also require dogs to enter/leave the country as freight.

Turkish Airlines and Uzbekistan are quite unique in their border polices with pets. The National carrier often reflects the country it represents. Hence with Qatar: Falcons yes, dogs no.

A traveler, even Ex. Australia, is better off booking their freight with the Airline and the flight they are traveling on.

The dog still gets loaded and offloaded the same way, and travels in the pressurized cargo hold.

The traveler just pays less, and I maintain the dog will get better treatment on the ground, when accompanied.

ETA: I just checked. Qatar will let me book my dog on as freight: Melbourne - Doha - Ankara.

50EUR / kg

All import permits, vet certification, travel crate are my responsibilty. Must carry documentation blah blah

Edited July 23, 2011 by lilli

[oakway]

Don't know where you live but dogs can not travel out of Australia other than freight or into Australia for that matter.

Dogs in this country all travel as freight no matter where they go.

If you are interested in another quote from another shipper why not give Wayrod a member of this forum a private e mail as to freight costs.

Yes very familiar with Australia and its Border policies

Many other countries also require dogs to enter/leave the country as freight.

Turkish Airlines and Uzbekistan are quite unique in their border polices with pets. The National carrier often reflects the country it represents. Hence with Qatar: Falcons yes, dogs no.

A traveler, even Ex. Australia, is better off booking their freight with the Airline and the flight they are traveling on.

The dog still gets loaded and offloaded the same way, and travels in the pressurized cargo hold.

The traveler just pays less, and I maintain the dog will get better treatment on the ground, when accompanied.

ETA: I just checked. Qatar will let me book my dog on as freight: Melbourne - Doha - Ankara.

50EUR / kg

All import permits, vet certification, travel crate are my responsibilty. Must carry documentation blah blah

It can be so hard to discuss things with people your are not face to face

I can assure you that it is impossible to get a dog into or out of Australia with out using an agent. We used to be able to but not now. (not unless they have changes it again )

It doesn't matter if you travel on the same aircraft and pay for a first class ticket or travel ecomomy the dog will still be in the hold and receive the same good treatment even if the owner is not travelling.

We have had new requirements for dogs traveling with Qantas within Aust. Under 12 weeks of age a vetinary certificate of health is now required and you MUST use an agent.

[minyvlz]

Don't know where you live but dogs can not travel out of Australia other than freight or into Australia for that matter.

Dogs in this country all travel as freight no matter where they go.

If you are interested in another quote from another shipper why not give Wayrod a member of this forum a private e mail as to freight costs.

Yes very familiar with Australia and its Border policies

Many other countries also require dogs to enter/leave the country as freight.

Turkish Airlines and Uzbekistan are quite unique in their border polices with pets. The National carrier often reflects the country it represents. Hence with Qatar: Falcons yes, dogs no.

A traveler, even Ex. Australia, is better off booking their freight with the Airline and the flight they are traveling on.

The dog still gets loaded and offloaded the same way, and travels in the pressurized cargo hold.

The traveler just pays less, and I maintain the dog will get better treatment on the ground, when accompanied.

ETA: I just checked. Qatar will let me book my dog on as freight: Melbourne - Doha - Ankara.

50EUR / kg

All import permits, vet certification, travel crate are my responsibilty. Must carry documentation blah blah

It can be so hard to discuss things with people your are not face to face

I can assure you that it is impossible to get a dog into or out of Australia with out using an agent. We used to be able to but not now. (not unless they have changes it again )

It doesn't matter if you travel on the same aircraft and pay for a first class ticket or travel ecomomy the dog will still be in the hold and receive the same good treatment even if the owner is not travelling.

We have had new requirements for dogs traveling with Qantas within Aust. Under 12 weeks of age a vetinary certificate of health is now required and you MUST use an agent.

I agree. I am shipping my friend's dog to her in Taiwan and I had varied estimates, from the cheapest 1.2k to 2.6k. Please get as many quotes as you can from freight companies. I also called various airlines but none of them would accept booking from anyone other than a pet freight company. It would also be cheaper to get all required vaccinations, health checks, import permit, crate etc yourself.

[BJean]

It can be so hard to discuss things with people your are not face to face

I can assure you that it is impossible to get a dog into or out of Australia with out using an agent. We used to be able to but not now. (not unless they have changes it again )

It doesn't matter if you travel on the same aircraft and pay for a first class ticket or travel economy the dog will still be in the hold and receive the same good treatment even if the owner is not traveling.

We have had new requirements for dogs traveling with Qantas within Aust. Under 12 weeks of age a veterinary certificate of health is now required and you MUST use an agent.

I only followed this up because iot affects my logistics plans and I was surprised to learn that Australia had become more oppressive.

So from Qantas and AAE -

you don't have to use an agent but the dog goes as freight.

(Unless this has been updated and their website is out of date).

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/travelling-with-pets/global/en

http://www.aae.com.au/services/express_your_pet

If you are booked on an international flight (QF001-QF399) or a domestic sector of an international flight, or if you are not traveling on the same aircraft as your pet, your pets cannot be carried as free baggage. You must send your pet pack as freight and pay the applicable freight charges.

The above is Qantas requirements. Qatar say I can check the dog in (not at the passenger terminal but at QATAR cargo) and I get charged excess bacggage fee of 50EUR/kg.

If you fly on the same flight with your dog

and if you fly business/first

your dog will get better treatment, or rather the OWNER :D will fret less because you can ask for more for your dog.

Edited July 23, 2011 by lilli

[minyvlz]

I called up Qantas in late June and this is their reply via email:

Many thanks for your inquiry regarding the international transportation

of animals from Australia.

Please note that you will need to contact a specialised

pet transport company in the relevant departure city to make a booking and obtain the

proper IATA approved airline container that is used for international carriage of

animals.

Please note, also, that charges are calculated dependent on

the size of the container, not the weight of the animal. Also note the container must be the

appropriate size for your particular animal. As a general rule your animal

should be able to stand, sit and turn around comfortably within the container.

The attached list includes the contact details of some specialised pet transport

companies:

Please contact any of the above companies and they will advise you

on all cost and procedures etc. for the international transport of animals.

Thanks and Regards

QANTAS Freight

www.qantasfreight.com

ETA: I'm sure domestic flights allow pets to be arranged without an agent (except Qantas even for domestic), but the ones that I've checked for international all do not allow (to Taiwan/East Asian countries). Jet Pets also informed me that all animals from Australia have to be shipped as freight, even if you are on the same flight.

Edited July 23, 2011 by minyvlz

[minyvlz]

Thanks for the replies. I will be bringing him there permanently and I have been quoted by Dog Tainers for $2500. Dog tainers will transport him by going through Manila then to Macau. But my girlfriend is a bit worried about my dog going to Manila (as both of us haven't been there before). The price is not too much of an issue for us. We are more concern about his wellbeing when travelling. Anyone has experience with Dog Tainers which they could share?

Jetpets only transport him to Hong Kong though.

Make sure Macau doesn't have a rule to whether animals can be shipped through non-rabies free countries. Taiwan has that rule so I can't ship through most countries (didn't matter, I wanted a direct flight which was what Jet Pets couldn't give me despite their low quote). I also can't ship through HK because they have a rule that animals are not to be transited there.

[Staranais]

Check to see if his papers are marked "Not for Export". If so he cannot be taken out of the country.

Really? I thought that papers marked not for export only meant that the dog couldn't be registered with the kennel club of another country. Not that the dog would be never allowed to leave the country at all?

[Greytmate]

Check to see if his papers are marked "Not for Export". If so he cannot be taken out of the country.

Really? I thought that papers marked not for export only meant that the dog couldn't be registered with the kennel club of another country. Not that the dog would be never allowed to leave the country at all?

That is correct.

[BJean]

ETA: I'm sure domestic flights allow pets to be arranged without an agent (except Qantas even for domestic), but the ones that I've checked for international all do not allow (to Taiwan/East Asian countries). Jet Pets also informed me that all animals from Australia have to be shipped as freight, even if you are on the same flight.

I believe this must be Qantas policy only (requiring an agent).

Passengers can check their own dogs in as freight and fly on the same flight.

It is the Airline's policy which determines if you will pay the freight rate or the excess baggage rate or extra baggage rate.

By freight I mean the dog travels in the pressurized cargo hold, not on board with the people in the cabin.

[BJean]

AQIS Export Procedure does not require an agent.

If having an agent was needed for animals ex. Australia, it would be on the AQIS website.

I believe you should shop around for International Airlines - the need for a 3rd party, is determined by Airline Policy.

http://www.daff.gov.au/aqis/export/live-animals/companion

NB: because I am a nutter for details, I checked with my vet (AQIS approved) and I am okay to go Melbourne - Kuala Lumpur or Melbourne - Ankara with my dogs.

With Qatar they fly in the cargo hold and I pay $50EUR/kg. I just did this last Friday the other way round [ex. Turk] and that is how it went.

Edited July 24, 2011 by lilli

[BJean]

nicolau I have gone off on a tangent on your thread

It is best to keep the dog on the one airline if you can

I would contact Philippine airlines directly about your dog's transport.

Their cargo office:

[email protected]

If you have enough time in Manila, they may let you check on your dog, but your dog will not be allowed to leave the cargo area and the ground staff will accompany you.

They wont let you take your dog out of the crate (most wont) but at least you can make sure your dog is in an air-conditioned area and has adequate water.

And as always it wont matter what the Australian staff say as the departing country, it is how the layover and arrival country deals with travelers and their pets that will determine what you can and cannot do.

I hope you and your dog transport safely, best wishes