W Sibs Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yeah, I really do believe some dogs forget how to be dogs. Humans takes that away from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I dont know if they ever forget, but due to conditioning they may exhibit human or other behaviours to get a set reaction from the master. Maybe in cases where you take a puppy away from its m other at birth (obviously wrong) and it becomes imprinted onto you....but part of the reason for leaving a dog with its mother and liter for 8 - 12 weeks is so that it learns that it is a dog... thats just my take on it... Have you had an experience where the dog just doesnt act like a dog at all, I suppose you'd need to define a list of base dog behaviours :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 (edited) Both my dogs are singleton... no litter mates to play with from birth. Emmy (my younger one) was put in a litter of poodles that were a few weeks older than her at 5-6 weeks old, so she more doggie than Charlie. Charlie thinks he is people He was basically hand raised by people, although he had the sweetest and nicest mum!! He will always choose people over dogs (I don't mind it) but I had to make sure that he knows how to act/behave around dogs. My brothers dogs do not read or understand doggie behaviour at all!! I didn't think it was possible, but now I do. I have to say it's amazing watching them.. they don't play or interact like normal dogs do. A lot has to do with bad manners and they aren't trained though. One example...Emmy is sleeping. Beagle goes up and tries to play with her. Emmy gives a warning growl and turns her back at him. He doesn't get it and pounces on her, she arks up and seriously tells him off. He runs off scared but a minute later I see him going back to Em again to play... I grab him by the collar and put him in a crate (while muttering 'Dude, do you have a death wish going on or something?') Edited July 27, 2011 by CW EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Both my dogs are singleton... no litter mates to play with from birth. Emmy (my younger one) was put in a litter of poodles that were a few weeks older than her at 5-6 weeks old, so she more doggie than Charlie. Charlie thinks he is people He was basically hand raised by people, although he had the sweetest and nicest mum!! He will always choose people over dogs (I don't mind it) but I had to make sure that he knows how to act/behave around dogs. My brothers dogs do not read or understand doggie behaviour at all!! I didn't think it was possible, but now I do. I have to say it's amazing watching them.. they don't play or interact like normal dogs do. A lot has to do with bad manners and they aren't trained though. One example...Emmy is sleeping. Beagle goes up and tries to play with her. Emmy gives a warning growl and turns her back at him. He doesn't get it and pounces on her, she arks up and seriously tells him off. He runs off scared but a minute later I see him going back to Em again to play... I grab him by the collar and put him in a crate (while muttering 'Dude, do you have a death wish going on or something?') So yeah it makes sense your dogs diddnt have littermates to socialise with so they may have imprinted on the humans...but do you find your dogs still have instinctual actions like ears back to show submissevness one growls when not happy these are still dog behaviours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 So yeah it makes sense your dogs diddnt have littermates to socialise with so they may have imprinted on the humans...but do you find your dogs still have instinctual actions like ears back to show submissevness one growls when not happy these are still dog behaviours.... Yes, of course, that's because I've socialised them with other dog and let them be dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Maybe in cases where you take a puppy away from its m other at birth (obviously wrong) and it becomes imprinted onto you....but part of the reason for leaving a dog with its mother and liter for 8 - 12 weeks is so that it learns that it is a dog... Actually this is a critical period for the puppy's socialisation. The puppy should be with its new owner and experiencing as many new sights and sounds(including meeting as many different types and ages of friendly dogs) as possible. Unfortunately this period cooincides with the puppy not beng fully vaccinated so some care should be taken eg carrying the puppy, only letting it meet fully vaccinated dogs etc. I agree that it is not good (from a training persepective) for a dog to have a very high value for other dogs. But most importantly, the dog should have a higher value for the owner/handler, than it does for other dogs- then there is no reason why the dog shouldn't be allowed to play with others. Are you saying you don't let your dog have contact with other dogs at all or that you just don't let him play with other dogs? BTW to the OP= my dog growls when I play tug with her, I don't discourage it, its all in fun, its does not mean she doesn't respect me as "pack leader" :rolleyes: Edited July 28, 2011 by aussielover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Maybe in cases where you take a puppy away from its m other at birth (obviously wrong) and it becomes imprinted onto you....but part of the reason for leaving a dog with its mother and liter for 8 - 12 weeks is so that it learns that it is a dog... Actually this is a critical period for the puppy's socialisation. The puppy should be with its new owner and experiencing as many new sights and sounds(including meeting as many different types and ages of friendly dogs) as possible. Unfortunately this period cooincides with the puppy not beng fully vaccinated so some care should be taken eg carrying the puppy, only letting it meet fully vaccinated dogs etc. I agree that it is not good (from a training persepective) for a dog to have a very high value for other dogs. But most importantly, the dog should have a higher value for the owner/handler, than it does for other dogs- then there is no reason why the dog shouldn't be allowed to play with others. Are you saying you don't let your dog have contact with other dogs at all or that you just don't let him play with other dogs? BTW to the OP= my dog growls when I play tug with her, I don't discourage it, its all in fun, its does not mean she doesn't respect me as "pack leader" :rolleyes: I agree totally, The general rule is I dont let my dog play with other dogs and like you picked up its for training purposes. As for contact with other dogs I'm very careful I want my dog to to have the confidence to be around ANYTHING and keep its cool. The fact is though I dont know anyone apart from the breeder who has dogs I can trust. I mean a dog can go from sniffing butts to a fight in seconds and that is what worries me most especially at such a young age for my pup. Same I play tug with my dog and it growls which I encourage as he is getting to the level of drive I desire and he is in the right type of drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I mean a dog can go from sniffing butts to a fight in seconds and that is what worries me most especially at such a young age for my pup. yep - and you could get hit by a car anytime you step out your door .. doesn't mean you should never step outside ;) pups NEED to learn how to interact with other dogs - need to learn the body language/social niceties - so when they DO come against an aggressive/unfriendly dog, they know what to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Crazy Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 (edited) I mean a dog can go from sniffing butts to a fight in seconds and that is what worries me most especially at such a young age for my pup. yep - and you could get hit by a car anytime you step out your door .. doesn't mean you should never step outside ;) pups NEED to learn how to interact with other dogs - need to learn the body language/social niceties - so when they DO come against an aggressive/unfriendly dog, they know what to do! Totally agree persephone They are pack animals after all. Edited August 7, 2011 by BC Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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