gsdog2 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 My girl has had the C5 vaccination each year since she was 12 weeks of age. She has also had very itchy skin. I didn't get her vaccinated this year - am switching to the recommended triennial protocol. I am not having anywhere near the issues with itchy skin with her that I had before. I am now trying to remember back to work out if her itchy skin started with her first C5 vaccination. Will be switching to C3 triennial I think. This is very similar to my GSD Indi's experience except her issues went further than itchy skin. So far she has had no skin problems and usually by this time of the year we've had a visit to the dermatologist. I'm sticking to the triennial C3 vaccination - in the long run it's saved me a lot of money at the dermatolist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythings Shiny Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Mine all get c5 vaccinations, I've never had an issue with it (considering one dog gets sick at the drop of a hat I've been happily surprised!) and would continue with my current vaccination protocol. I considered moving to the three year vacc but this area gets parvo severely and I don't want to risk it. I could get titre testing done, but if someone came back with low results and needed revaccinating, I wouldn't be able to afford both (I generally only work 3 days a week). I think the only wrong thing in vaccinations is to not vaccinate ever. Do what you feel is right for your pet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Mine all get c5 vaccinations, I've never had an issue with it (considering one dog gets sick at the drop of a hat I've been happily surprised!) and would continue with my current vaccination protocol. I considered moving to the three year vacc but this area gets parvo severely and I don't want to risk it. I could get titre testing done, but if someone came back with low results and needed revaccinating, I wouldn't be able to afford both (I generally only work 3 days a week). I think the only wrong thing in vaccinations is to not vaccinate ever. Do what you feel is right for your pet. I don;t get your way of thinking. If the area you live in is " high parvo, as you say, then the dogs immunity would be challenged due to living there. Once you vaccinate and the dog develops immunity, you can't give it additional immunity by injecting it every year. The dog either has it or it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDDU Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Why do you need a reason? you are the owner of the dog and you are the customer, I tell my vet what I want and on this subject I expect no discussion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttaburra Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 It's plain and simple,,, your dog, your decision. Tell him that's what you want. Absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttaburra Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Dogs with Kennel Cough, do they only cough of a night? Georgea has not coughed at all since this morning. Sorry don't know, you could also try some Manuka honey, can help lessen the bacterial load in the throat. Not as a cure but as support to whatever treatment vet is giving. Usually antibiotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muttaburra Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 My old Lab's cough used to sound like he had something caught in his throat was choking. It was awful. That kind of cough is one of the symptoms that Vets use to form a kk diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liath Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I didnt know there was a C3. Why dont vets tell people there are differant types?? My girl got double dosed last year. We bought her from a breeder in october, she had c4 in august, our vet recommended KC so gave her a c5. On reading the previous posts she should have received the spray up the nose only! We got a new puppy at beginning of June. Took her to same vet, was told dont need vac at 8 weeks but needed worming. Tried to give me 2 interceptors, one for now and the other for 2 weeks. I asked about overdosing, was told no but she changed it to a worming tablet anyways. Rang them 2 weeks ago about getting 12 weeks shots (she was 11 weeks 4 days old), was told by the vet nurse, she couldnt be vaccinated until the next week as she was to young. Ummm yeah ok. Then she argued with me about previous vaccinations, questioned me why she wasnt vaccinated at 8 weeks. After I hung up, I rang another vet and made an appt for her 12 weeks vac for that afternoon. She got c4 plus the spray for KC at the new vets. The other vets have lost my business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 It is not abnormal for vets to ask you to come back if they are not yet 12 weeks if that is the minimum age for the booster shot as it is registered for that age. Some use vaccines that can be given as the last one at 10 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) I didnt know there was a C3. Why dont vets tell people there are differant types?? My girl got double dosed last year. We bought her from a breeder in october, she had c4 in august, our vet recommended KC so gave her a c5. On reading the previous posts she should have received the spray up the nose only! We got a new puppy at beginning of June. Took her to same vet, was told dont need vac at 8 weeks but needed worming. Tried to give me 2 interceptors, one for now and the other for 2 weeks. I asked about overdosing, was told no but she changed it to a worming tablet anyways. Rang them 2 weeks ago about getting 12 weeks shots (she was 11 weeks 4 days old), was told by the vet nurse, she couldnt be vaccinated until the next week as she was to young. Ummm yeah ok. Then she argued with me about previous vaccinations, questioned me why she wasnt vaccinated at 8 weeks. After I hung up, I rang another vet and made an appt for her 12 weeks vac for that afternoon. She got c4 plus the spray for KC at the new vets. The other vets have lost my business. Had your puppy already had a vacc at 6 weeks? Cause if so, one at 8wks isn't really necessary, but one at around 12wks or later would be fine. I don't like the idea of a C4 plus a KC because you're doubling up on a KC component Edited July 11, 2011 by stormie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liath Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Had your puppy already had a vacc at 6 weeks? Cause if so, one at 8wks isn't really necessary, but one at around 12wks or later would be fine. I don't like the idea of a C4 plus a KC because you're doubling up on a KC component Yes, she had her first vac at 6 weeks. I thought c4 didnt have the KC included? Thats what my previous vet told me and the reason why my other girl received c4 and c5 3 months apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Had your puppy already had a vacc at 6 weeks? Cause if so, one at 8wks isn't really necessary, but one at around 12wks or later would be fine. I don't like the idea of a C4 plus a KC because you're doubling up on a KC component Yes, she had her first vac at 6 weeks. I thought c4 didnt have the KC included? Thats what my previous vet told me and the reason why my other girl received c4 and c5 3 months apart. Then if there was a 6wk shot there was no need for another at 8wks. You would usually do one at 6-8wks, then another at 12wks or a bit after. Or you could finish at 10wks if your vet carried that specific vaccine. a C4 is a C3 (Distemper, Hepatitis and Parvovirus) plus Parainfluenza, which is the viral component of Kennel Cough. The Intranasal KC is Parainfluenza plus Bordatella bronchiseptica, which is a bacterial component of KC. So giving a C4 plus a KC, you're doubling up on the Parainfluenza. Some vets only have C4's, so they'd be using that instead of a C3. So your last vet would have given the second C4 for the core components (Distemp, Hep and Parvo) and then given an Intransal KC with the final shot, as this only needs to be given once. If you're using injectible KC vaccines, they need to be given twice, 4wks apart, for immunity. I assume that the C5 your other call had was a C4 plus an Intranasal, rather than a C3 plus Intranasal. Edited July 11, 2011 by stormie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everythings Shiny Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Mine all get c5 vaccinations, I've never had an issue with it (considering one dog gets sick at the drop of a hat I've been happily surprised!) and would continue with my current vaccination protocol. I considered moving to the three year vacc but this area gets parvo severely and I don't want to risk it. I could get titre testing done, but if someone came back with low results and needed revaccinating, I wouldn't be able to afford both (I generally only work 3 days a week).I think the only wrong thing in vaccinations is to not vaccinate ever. Do what you feel is right for your pet.I don;t get your way of thinking. If the area you live in is " high parvo, as you say, then the dogs immunity would be challenged due to living there. Once you vaccinate and the dog develops immunity, you can't give it additional immunity by injecting it every year. The dog either has it or it doesn't. I don't yet trust the three year vacc. We vaccinated (through one of my workplaces) a few dogs and later that year they got mild parvo. Coincidence or not, I will not change to a vaccine I cannot trust fully. ETA - if it turns out my dog has an immune disorder, I think it would be better to vacc yearly than every three years IMHO. But thats just me. Edited July 11, 2011 by Everythings Shiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr_inoz Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Mine all get c5 vaccinations, I've never had an issue with it (considering one dog gets sick at the drop of a hat I've been happily surprised!) and would continue with my current vaccination protocol. I considered moving to the three year vacc but this area gets parvo severely and I don't want to risk it. I could get titre testing done, but if someone came back with low results and needed revaccinating, I wouldn't be able to afford both (I generally only work 3 days a week).I think the only wrong thing in vaccinations is to not vaccinate ever. Do what you feel is right for your pet.I don;t get your way of thinking. If the area you live in is " high parvo, as you say, then the dogs immunity would be challenged due to living there. Once you vaccinate and the dog develops immunity, you can't give it additional immunity by injecting it every year. The dog either has it or it doesn't. I don't yet trust the three year vacc. We vaccinated (through one of my workplaces) a few dogs and later that year they got mild parvo. Coincidence or not, I will not change to a vaccine I cannot trust fully. ETA - if it turns out my dog has an immune disorder, I think it would be better to vacc yearly than every three years IMHO. But thats just me. trying to understand here..... Isn't the parvo component of the C3 vaccination the same as the parvo component of the C5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) The vaccines registered for triennial use are the same as those used annually, just with a longer registration. The Nobivac C3 includes a newer strain of parvo, but that's about it. Pfizer's C3 has an open registration, meaning the Vet can sign off annually or up to 3 yearly. Intervet have both an annual C3 and a Triennial C3. There isn't a lot of difference between the two, except I think there are more virus particles in the Trinnial and a newer strain of parvo covered. Virbac still push for annuals, however their vaccine is actually made by Intervet ;) If a dog does not sero convert a vaccine as an adult, repeating the vaccine is not going to make an ounce of difference - they will all be useless. If it does, then it's likely the dog will have lasting immunity for at least 3 years. Some studies have shown immunity up to the 6-7year range. Giving an injection annually does not boost immunity. In fact, those who are in a high parvo area would likely have better immunity, as they would constantly be challenged by the virus, stimulating the cells. I would certainly not be annually vaccinating a dog with any type of known immune problem. Even the Specialists tell us and our referrals for immune mediated diseases, not to vaccinate again. Repeatedly vaccinating the same dogs over and over does not increase herd immunity. We need to be vaccinating MORE dogs, less often. I would love to see a similar program to the free micro-chipping days, but involving vaccines, occur in high parvo areas. Unfortunately it's not uncommon to hear stories from vets in the parvo areas, telling us about the people who get a pup, don't vacc, can't afford parvo treatment, but then go out and get another pup and don't vaccinate again. And the same thing happens over and over again with the pups never having a chance in the first place. Edited July 11, 2011 by stormie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikitten Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 IIgnore the vet nurse who has no doubt been trained to upsell services. I know some wonderful vet nurses but even at my vets there are a few nurses who think they know it all and need to be firmly put in their place. OMG - so true! I just had a huge argument with one on another forum as she was still trying to convince everyone that they should be getting C5 vaccines every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacqui835 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Wow this just makes me so much more grateful to have found my current vet. He's the first vet who seems to have actually had something to do with dogs beyond university, doesn't challenge me on desexing and asks me what vaccinations and worming treatments I want. He always offers advice of course and we can talk for hours about working out how to best manage my dog, but I think you really need to find a vet you're on the same page as and can talk about these things with. Sometimes of course we may be wrong, but at least I know my vet has had experience with working dogs, and does his own research beyond what he's been taught at uni and so when he does challenge me, it's worth listening to and I know he wouldn't be saying it unless he has good reason to believe it - he truly critically evaluates what he sees and reads and his patients benefit from that. One of my best friends from uni is now a vet, trained at one of the top vet schools in the country and yet you should hear what she has to say about dog nutrition. Had a go at me the other day for feeding my dog raw bones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirawee Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Had a go at me the other day for feeding my dog raw bones... My dog has spent two days at the vet due to eating raw bones - or at least swallowing them without chewing enough ;) And I know several other dogs who get ill if they eat them. So I can actually understand why a vet might recommend against them - except then of course they miss out on the consult fees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I haven't vaccinated my dogs for many years and I ran a rescue. As per stormies post, to my understanding, the fact that they came into contact with various diseases via the rescues, their immunity would be higher/stronger. It's all a matter of risk control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donatella Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Had a go at me the other day for feeding my dog raw bones... My dog has spent two days at the vet due to eating raw bones - or at least swallowing them without chewing enough ;) And I know several other dogs who get ill if they eat them. So I can actually understand why a vet might recommend against them - except then of course they miss out on the consult fees Except that dogs are meant to eat bones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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