Associate Register

[JulesP]

And even if they did buy from a BYB due to ignorance, and then realised their mistake and then decided they wanted to properly train their dog and trial, is it fair to forever penalise them for the original mistake by telling them their dog can't be registered??

They get two chances to learn from their "mistake" in Qld now.

I do know people that always buy oodles. That shits me. IMO people shouldn't be allowed to buy multiple cross breds and compete in dog sports run under a kennel club umbrella. Again I don't have issues with rescue dogs.

So apart from changing things to allow rescue dogs I think QLD have got it right.

[poodlefan]

I do know people that always buy oodles. That shits me.

Ditto and ditto.

And same again for those who repeat buy BYB purebreds but want all the advantages that come with ANKC membership AND support from registered breeders for puppy raising.

Edited July 6, 2011 by poodlefan

[fuzzy82]

And even if they did buy from a BYB due to ignorance, and then realised their mistake and then decided they wanted to properly train their dog and trial, is it fair to forever penalise them for the original mistake by telling them their dog can't be registered??

They get two chances to learn from their "mistake" in Qld now.

But what if it wasn't a "mistake" and they got their dog from a shelter, like I did? I have already made my two mistakes. All they are doing is excluding people who put effort into training their mixed breeds dogs. While some people might say 'well I'll just get a purebred for my next dog then', I say 'well bugger them, I want to get shelter dogs so I just won't trial'. How does that benefit anyone? It doesn't get rid of BYB's, it just makes purebred dog owners seem very elitist. Like our mixed breed dogs aren't good enough for them.

[poodlefan]

But what if it wasn't a "mistake" and they got their dog from a shelter, like I did? I have already made my two mistakes. All they are doing is excluding people who put effort into training their mixed breeds dogs. While some people might say 'well I'll just get a purebred for my next dog then', I say 'well bugger them, I want to get shelter dogs so I just won't trial'. How does that benefit anyone? It doesn't get rid of BYB's, it just makes purebred dog owners seem very elitist. Like our mixed breed dogs aren't good enough for them.

Do ADAA agility or move to NSW.. or petition Dogs Qld to make an exception for the 2 dog rule for rescues.

[fuzzy82]

But what if it wasn't a "mistake" and they got their dog from a shelter, like I did? I have already made my two mistakes. All they are doing is excluding people who put effort into training their mixed breeds dogs. While some people might say 'well I'll just get a purebred for my next dog then', I say 'well bugger them, I want to get shelter dogs so I just won't trial'. How does that benefit anyone? It doesn't get rid of BYB's, it just makes purebred dog owners seem very elitist. Like our mixed breed dogs aren't good enough for them.

Do ADAA agility or move to NSW.. or petition Dogs Qld to make an exception for the 2 dog rule for rescues.

I'm not doing agility, I want to do obedience. If I was doing agility I guess there wouldn't be an issue. I will email Qld Dogs though.

[JulesP]

But what if it wasn't a "mistake" and they got their dog from a shelter, like I did? I have already made my two mistakes. All they are doing is excluding people who put effort into training their mixed breeds dogs. While some people might say 'well I'll just get a purebred for my next dog then', I say 'well bugger them, I want to get shelter dogs so I just won't trial'. How does that benefit anyone? It doesn't get rid of BYB's, it just makes purebred dog owners seem very elitist. Like our mixed breed dogs aren't good enough for them.

Nothing to do with being elitist. It is a desire to stop the dogs ending up in the pound in the first place. A desire to stop puppy farmers and BYB.

[Rebanne]

If you are allowed to participate in something that you perviously weren't and realy don't have to be, it is a Privilege.

Any ANKC associate can compete in obedience and agility. Outside of Qld, that's been the case ever since I became involved. How is that ia "privilege"?

You pay your money, you register your dog and you are entitled to enter alongside any other ANKC registered dog.

when the assoicate register started up in Vic the dogs didn't have to be desexed, though that was changed quite quickly. My 1st associate dog was not allowed to compete in the same ring as ANKC dogs, we had to have seperate rings and their titles were different as well. GD instead of CD for example.

[oakway]

Before this goes any further may I please remind you all that the controlling bodies of all the States /Territories of Australia are there to promote pure bred dogs.

In some states their constitution may preclude cross breds.

In some states this may change with their constitution changes.

Many of you are very lucky to be able to compete with x breeds with some organizations relaxing their rules for you to compete.

Again I repeat that these organisations are there to promote the Pure Bred Dog.

[WreckitWhippet]

Before this goes any further may I please remind you all that the controlling bodies of all the States /Territories of Australia are there to promote pure bred dogs.

In some states their constitution may preclude cross breds.

In some states this may change with their constitution changes.

Many of you are very lucky to be able to compete with x breeds with some organizations relaxing their rules for you to compete.

Again I repeat that these organisations are there to promote the Pure Bred Dog.

[shortstep]

It does stop people registering heaps of oodles though which is not a bad thing.

I have an oodle that I got from a shelter, and I also have a JRT x from a shelter. I had hoped to trial with both of them, but if I register them it means I can never again compete with a shelter dog, and I WAS planning on getting shelter dogs in the future as well. But now it seems the options are to either get a shelter dog, OR be able to trial.

How is that fair?

If you want to do agility there is ADAA agility in QLD, they do not care what breed or mix your dog is.

[raineth]

If you are allowed to participate in something that you perviously weren't and realy don't have to be, it is a Privilege.

Any ANKC associate can compete in obedience and agility. Outside of Qld, that's been the case ever since I became involved. How is that ia "privilege"?

You pay your money, you register your dog and you are entitled to enter alongside any other ANKC registered dog.

when the assoicate register started up in Vic the dogs didn't have to be desexed, though that was changed quite quickly. My 1st associate dog was not allowed to compete in the same ring as ANKC dogs, we had to have seperate rings and their titles were different as well. GD instead of CD for example.

What did GD stand for Rebanne?

[Agility Dogs]

Before this goes any further may I please remind you all that the controlling bodies of all the States /Territories of Australia are there to promote pure bred dogs.

In some states their constitution may preclude cross breds.

In some states this may change with their constitution changes.

Many of you are very lucky to be able to compete with x breeds with some organizations relaxing their rules for you to compete.

Again I repeat that these organisations are there to promote the Pure Bred Dog.

Regardless of how many smilies you put in this post I think it is pretty short sighted and perhaps even points to why some people feel the way that they do about pedigree dogs and their owners.

I understand the purpose of the controlling bodies and understand the rules (Which BTW are VERY easy to flout if you really want to). BUT surely it is better to have dogs of unknown lineage competing in performance rings if it is going to lead to more people developing an interest in pedigree dogs.

Personally, I had no interest in owning a pedigree dog until 2 things happened. 1. I PTS a very unfortunately bred BC puppy. 2. I started competing in ADAA events with my (now) associate registered BC and realised that the lines a dog comes from are a great starting point for a performance dog.

If I didn't have a way to get involved in dog sports I would never have become involved with pedigree dogs.

[wuffles]

Before this goes any further may I please remind you all that the controlling bodies of all the States /Territories of Australia are there to promote pure bred dogs.

In some states their constitution may preclude cross breds.

In some states this may change with their constitution changes.

Many of you are very lucky to be able to compete with x breeds with some organizations relaxing their rules for you to compete.

Again I repeat that these organisations are there to promote the Pure Bred Dog.

I would argue that a bunch of pedigree dog owners spending a weekend with other pedigree dog owners on a dog club ground (in other words, an obedience trial) doesn't exactly do much to promote pure bred dogs.

[Rebanne]

If you are allowed to participate in something that you perviously weren't and realy don't have to be, it is a Privilege.

Any ANKC associate can compete in obedience and agility. Outside of Qld, that's been the case ever since I became involved. How is that ia "privilege"?

You pay your money, you register your dog and you are entitled to enter alongside any other ANKC registered dog.

when the assoicate register started up in Vic the dogs didn't have to be desexed, though that was changed quite quickly. My 1st associate dog was not allowed to compete in the same ring as ANKC dogs, we had to have seperate rings and their titles were different as well. GD instead of CD for example.

What did GD stand for Rebanne?

Graduate Dog and Graduate Dog Excellent. Didn't get as far as UD back then so not sure what it was. Not all clubs allowed associates to trial and I do remember there was one trial that was only for associates!

Edited July 6, 2011 by Rebanne

[Kavik]

I'm glad NSW allows Associates to compete. Some of my friends have Associate Registered pound dogs that are very good at agility, and some of the best in the state are Associate reg dogs. I think pedigree shouldn't matter for performance sports, it should be about the performance only.

[OSoSwift]

Need a like bitton.

Many people I know have become pedigree dog owners after starting with an unrego'd purebred or crossbred.

Some of this states best trialers, trainiers and handlers started off with associate dogs, now many have rego'd pedigrees and are breeders themselves.

[raineth]

If you are allowed to participate in something that you perviously weren't and realy don't have to be, it is a Privilege.

Any ANKC associate can compete in obedience and agility. Outside of Qld, that's been the case ever since I became involved. How is that ia "privilege"?

You pay your money, you register your dog and you are entitled to enter alongside any other ANKC registered dog.

when the assoicate register started up in Vic the dogs didn't have to be desexed, though that was changed quite quickly. My 1st associate dog was not allowed to compete in the same ring as ANKC dogs, we had to have seperate rings and their titles were different as well. GD instead of CD for example.

What did GD stand for Rebanne?

Graduate Dog and Graduate Dog Excellent. Didn't get as far as UD back then so not sure what it was. Not all clubs allowed associates to trial and I do remember there was one trial that was only for associates!

thanks! I was imagining "Good Dog"

[megan_]

If you are allowed to participate in something that you perviously weren't and realy don't have to be, it is a Privilege.

Any ANKC associate can compete in obedience and agility. Outside of Qld, that's been the case ever since I became involved. How is that ia "privilege"?

You pay your money, you register your dog and you are entitled to enter alongside any other ANKC registered dog.

agree. Also, if you want to encourage pedigree dog ownership, then including people is the way to go. People then see the pedigreed dogs compete and may get one as their next dog. Excluding most people from participating isn't the way to encourage pedigree dog ownership. There are also many purebreds without pedigrees (eg rescues where the breeder is unkown).

[Rebanne]

when the assoicate register started up in Vic the dogs didn't have to be desexed, though that was changed quite quickly. My 1st associate dog was not allowed to compete in the same ring as ANKC dogs, we had to have seperate rings and their titles were different as well. GD instead of CD for example.

What did GD stand for Rebanne?

Graduate Dog and Graduate Dog Excellent. Didn't get as far as UD back then so not sure what it was. Not all clubs allowed associates to trial and I do remember there was one trial that was only for associates!

thanks! I was imagining "Good Dog"

I think UD was PD but can't remember what it stood for, was a long time ago

[grumpette]

Before this goes any further may I please remind you all that the controlling bodies of all the States /Territories of Australia are there to promote pure bred dogs.

In some states their constitution may preclude cross breds.

In some states this may change with their constitution changes.

Many of you are very lucky to be able to compete with x breeds with some organizations relaxing their rules for you to compete.

Again I repeat that these organisations are there to promote the Pure Bred Dog.

Regardless of how many smilies you put in this post I think it is pretty short sighted and perhaps even points to why some people feel the way that they do about pedigree dogs and their owners.

I understand the purpose of the controlling bodies and understand the rules (Which BTW are VERY easy to flout if you really want to). BUT surely it is better to have dogs of unknown lineage competing in performance rings if it is going to lead to more people developing an interest in pedigree dogs.

If I didn't have a way to get involved in dog sports I would never have become involved with pedigree dogs.

I have to agree it is extremely short sighted and elitist to exclude mixed breed dogs or dogs of unknown parentage from dog sports. These activites are a brilliant way to introduce people to pure breed dogs and to start the education process in a non threatening, non preaching environment. My first Rotty was a BYB dog from a friend to replace my childhood 13 year old GSD x Lab. If I had not joined an all breeds obedience club to train him, I would not have met pure breed Rotty owners, I would not have learnt about the breed and experienced the joy of owning the 3 pure bred Rotties that I currently share my life with. I would also not have been introduced to dog activities like tracking, herding, conformation showing and agility.

There are so many possible benefits for controlling bodies by being inclusive instead of exclusive. Being exclusive has only resulted in a drop in membership numbers which is why DogsVIC have started the Companion Dog Club.