Champions

[Bilbo Baggins]

I think everyone is a bit off the track here. The OP has GSD's and a speciality show to them is totally different to a single breed championship show of other breeds.

If you have never been to a GSD speciality I suggest going but take your earmuffs. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

If you have never been to a GSD speciality I suggest going but take your earmuffs. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Does the Autumn Extravaganza (Saturday) count?

[*Lolapalooza*]

The OP says they are a judge, I am interested to know if it is for single breed or whole Group(s).

[Shaar]

and my thing is my closest show is a smaller courty one. I don't go there to avoid the city dogs - because they are quite often there anyway - but because it is 3 hours closer!

If my dogs got their titles purely from those shows then They could be branded petrol champions who gained their titles against supposedly inferior dogs.

The other thing in WA is if there is a show in Albany or Geraldton (and other places) there are no shows anywhere else, so I couldn't avoid them even if I wanted to.

Yeah we can't run from the big winners rofl when there is only one show in any one place at a time. i have been to albany am yet to get up to gero as it always falls when hubby is away but i intend to get the dogs out and our big winners go to these shows to so its not like we are going to run away from them.

And i agree a true quality type of dog will do well in both all breeds and specialty rings many in our breed do :D

Same here in Tassie, only one show on at a time, we do have some breed specialties down here but not for my breed.

[mirawee]

And who is to say that having a CH title makes a dog worthy of being bred, or not having a title means they shouldn't?

If you look at some of the larger breeds, it isn't uncommon for Grand Champions to come from non-Champion parents. And having a Grand Champion parent doesn't mean that your dog will even get it's title!

I have a breed that there is no specialty anywhere in Australia to compete at. Does that mean no dogs in that breed are worthy of getting their Champion title? Although the first specialty is due to be held in Victoria next year... I know a few interstaters are planning on going, including us, however our 3 show dogs are retired - one to the neuter ring (of which we have maybe 2 or 3 shows a year - although if neuter classes are offered she will get to have a plane trip), one to the occasional veterans outing since she is 10.5yo and the other to the life of a couch potato as he doesn't like showing and is 8.5yo. All 3 are Champions - one would have been a Gr Ch if she hadn't had a few years off to have puppies - but obviously none of them should be since they haven't competed at a specialty...

[Shaar]

And who is to say that having a CH title makes a dog worthy of being bred, or not having a title means they shouldn't?

If you look at some of the larger breeds, it isn't uncommon for Grand Champions to come from non-Champion parents. And having a Grand Champion parent doesn't mean that your dog will even get it's title!

Another good point.

My current dogs dam is a non-champion. It's not because she isn't good enough, it's because she wasn't shown.

With Chinese Cresteds you must interbreed hairless and powderpuffs... problem is, powderpuffs do MUCH less winning than the hairless, so many breeders just simply do not show them and focus on their hairless dogs.

[Flaves]

The rare breeds are certainly a problem but could be easily solved by requiring say 4-Best of Breed placing. I have known people who lived in Perth,Darwin, Adelaide and Hobart who travel to Speciality Shows in Sydney and Newcastle so I cant understand the locality being such a handicap.

In a truely rare breed, they have to get 17 BOBs (x 6 points) now.

it is 17 6 point challenges, does not have to be BOB

Gee thats strange. I own the 'common' breed everyone is talking about, yet at a recent 'city' show there were only 4 dogs competing, one of which was a baby puppy.

So much for being common.

Cheers Leanne

I should also mention that those people that only show at specilties with German Shepherds don't covert the Aust Ch title.

The only thing they are interested in is the grading and critique given by the judge. As far as refusing challenges goes it is the complete opposite.

Excellent gradings may be given to 95% of the class and the class maybe 50 animals. To me this is overkill and I find it hard to believe that there can

be that many "far above average" dogs being shown.

I show allbreeds most of the time but do breed survey my dogs and show at specialities rarely.

In Vic there are not that many GSDs shown at all breeds, a good show may have 6 or 7, a lot of the time it is less than that.

So maybe they are common but the are not shown as heavily in Vic as they are in NSW or even QLD

I agree about the Excellents too Leanne, far too many given out sometimes.

Agree with you RSG

Dont be confused Yarracully about where we lived - we lived in Sydney for sometime than moved to the mid west. Many people do that you know. As I said before you only need to attend One Speciality Show and be placed. By being placed at a Speciality it shows that your breeding is on the right track or not.

No it doesn't.

No it doesnt. It is just what you prefer and what specialist people seem as being to the standard. however the standard is open to individual interpretation

Bottom line is: it's the Judges interpretation of the standard, on the day ;)

yes it is, and sometimes we agree with it and sometimes not

Edited July 14, 2011 by Flaves

[klink]

Would somebody please tell me the name of the book that has two different breed standards for both the GSD and the Rottweiler. As far as I know there is one standard. In my opinion both of these breeds have been ruined by the so- called speciality clubs. Both breeds speciality shows have become over the years circuses, with the cat calling, baiting etc. All this has been done to appease the Germans and to make sure they will still come and judge these breeds. I have had both breeds and have seem the demise of the once majestic GSDs which were strong,well boned and correct tempraments AND strong toplines. The Rottweilers have also been ruined in the same manner with loss of their true tempraments , boning etc. If members of DOL are honest they would agree with these observations. I hasten to add that with both breeds there are some exceptions, but not too many.The lack of attendance at all breed shows by these breeds further indicates how little their members think of the overall dog scene. And of course the usual protests re judging quality will arise,but let me say I have seen and heard the same remarks re speciality judging as I hear every week at all breed shows. because they are speciality judges does not make them better judges.

[Flaves]

Would somebody please tell me the name of the book that has two different breed standards for both the GSD and the Rottweiler. As far as I know there is one standard. In my opinion both of these breeds have been ruined by the so- called speciality clubs. Both breeds speciality shows have become over the years circuses, with the cat calling, baiting etc. All this has been done to appease the Germans and to make sure they will still come and judge these breeds. I have had both breeds and have seem the demise of the once majestic GSDs which were strong,well boned and correct tempraments AND strong toplines. The Rottweilers have also been ruined in the same manner with loss of their true tempraments , boning etc. If members of DOL are honest they would agree with these observations. I hasten to add that with both breeds there are some exceptions, but not too many.The lack of attendance at all breed shows by these breeds further indicates how little their members think of the overall dog scene. And of course the usual protests re judging quality will arise,but let me say I have seen and heard the same remarks re speciality judging as I hear every week at all breed shows. because they are speciality judges does not make them better judges.

There is ONE standard - Breed Standard

However, like most things, people interpret it differently

However there is an extension for the GSD, and i know that the US standard differs in some things

I think it is funny that is always comes back to the changes in GSDs even if the topic didnt start out that way

Edited July 15, 2011 by Flaves

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

Would somebody please tell me the name of the book that has two different breed standards for both the GSD and the Rottweiler. As far as I know there is one standard. In my opinion both of these breeds have been ruined by the so- called speciality clubs. Both breeds speciality shows have become over the years circuses, with the cat calling, baiting etc. All this has been done to appease the Germans and to make sure they will still come and judge these breeds. I have had both breeds and have seem the demise of the once majestic GSDs which were strong,well boned and correct tempraments AND strong toplines. The Rottweilers have also been ruined in the same manner with loss of their true tempraments , boning etc. If members of DOL are honest they would agree with these observations. I hasten to add that with both breeds there are some exceptions, but not too many.The lack of attendance at all breed shows by these breeds further indicates how little their members think of the overall dog scene. And of course the usual protests re judging quality will arise,but let me say I have seen and heard the same remarks re speciality judging as I hear every week at all breed shows. because they are speciality judges does not make them better judges.

Various Americans commented on how nice the GSDs looked in the GSDCV ET video + pics in comparison to the ones they were familiar with! I felt the ones at the ET differed from those I saw in the ring here.