nikitaken Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I've been to Europe and admired how dogs in Europe can get to go to most public places eg shops, public transports etc. Alot of the dog owners that we met in Europe also displayed great examples of what confident and responsible owners should be like, by cleaning up after their dogs in the public, keeping dogs on-leash while in public etc. Most dogs are quite calm and we rarely hear any barking/fighting between dogs. Whereas in Sydney, we encounter way too many nervous, aggressive dogs during our 1 hr walks. It sometimes makes me think, that this may be why our dogs dont get to enjoy the same rights as in Europe ;( However this morning I saw a guy walked out of a bank with his dog. And i've seen dogs going into retail shops before. I am very interested in finding out if dogs can actually go into places like banks, stations, shops/shopping center etc? it'd be great if one day they can go on public transport too =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazhak Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 it depends I know that assistance dogs & guide dogs can go most places but their owners have special cards that give them these rights.. it might be worth you going into your regular haunts (without dog at first) & asking if they allow dogs there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oskar & Zsa Zsa Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Our society has changed. I grew up in the country which is about 20 years behind the city (Runs and ducks for cover) and back then, dogs were accepted pretty much everywhere. I could walk into most shops with my dog, apart from the supermarket and nobody batted an eyelid. Most shop owners had a dog and it was often neccesary to step over it to enter the store. You could go to the pub and your dog could sit at your feet. I think we are becoming more and more intolerant of anything which sits outside our field of desires as a society. People have no tolerance for anything. It's like the whole smoking in open spaces debate. Provided smokers are not arrogant about it and don't do things like blow it in your face, who cares. But, just like some people don;t like dogs, so it is with smokers and lots of other things. We could take a leaf or two out of Europes book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy82 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I think the two go hand in hand. In Europe, dogs are allowed most places, so they get socialised more and are more confident around people and in new places, and thus they are allowed to be in those places because they behave well. Here, because our dogs aren't allowed anywhere, they are not as socialised, less confident around people and not well behaved and thus not allowed to go anywhere. Also, in Europe dogs live inside with their families. When the family is at work, the dog is loose in the house or crated. When there are visitors over, the dogs are inside the house and have to interact properly with visitors. They don't just put them out in the backyard because they have people over, so once again they get more socialisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy82 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Our society has changed. I grew up in the country which is about 20 years behind the city (Runs and ducks for cover) and back then, dogs were accepted pretty much everywhere. I could walk into most shops with my dog, apart from the supermarket and nobody batted an eyelid. Most shop owners had a dog and it was often neccesary to step over it to enter the store. You could go to the pub and your dog could sit at your feet. I think we are becoming more and more intolerant of anything which sits outside our field of desires as a society. People have no tolerance for anything. It's like the whole smoking in open spaces debate. Provided smokers are not arrogant about it and don't do things like blow it in your face, who cares. But, just like some people don;t like dogs, so it is with smokers and lots of other things. We could take a leaf or two out of Europes book. Smoking laws are the same in Europe, if not stricter, so that's not really an accurate comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyWal Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 it depends I know that assistance dogs & guide dogs can go most places but their owners have special cards that give them these rights.. it might be worth you going into your regular haunts (without dog at first) & asking if they allow dogs there!! We had a couple stay at the motel I work at with a guide dog and they told me the only place a guide dog is not allowed is an operating theatre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro29 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 First time poster here! We currently live in Italy and have for 12 months. It is common for us to eat in a restaurant with a ridgeback under the table next to us or a dog staying a hotel. I have never witnessed any aggression from these dogs and no one seems to bat an eyelid. It is all part of life over here. I am surprised by the number of large dogs that people keep here ( we are in Siena). Dogs here are very well socialized and are definitely part of the family. We have a lovely older man in town who puts on his suit every morning and walks his alsation around town , in and out of his house for most the day, very cute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IngeK Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Also, in Europe dogs live inside with their families. When the family is at work, the dog is loose in the house or crated. When there are visitors over, the dogs are inside the house and have to interact properly with visitors. They don't just put them out in the backyard because they have people over, so once again they get more socialisation. This brings a smile to my face... we often had funny looks when we just moved to Australia because ours are indoors. One time we had an old friend from my husband over for dinner with his wife and 2 kids and when we started eating the dogs were just lying quiet under the table. No begging no nothing. Then 1 of the sons (about 8) said "dont you think we should bring the dogs outside when we are eating"......uhhhhhhhh NO, this is the dogs house as well and this is what they are used to. People are allowed to smoke inside here as well which often has the same effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin-Genie Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 My dogs are inside 80% of the time. When we go to work they stay inside. When we have visitors, our dogs sit with us. No begging for food. I think dogs don't get the opportunity for as much socialization here due to restrictions. When I first took my dogs to the Hornsby shopping mall (not inside the Westfield of course), they behaved quite badly, pulling, sniffing everything. However we persisted and now they come with us when we have dinner there (in the outside area) and we usually get compliments on how well behaved they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoll Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I've been to Europe and admired how dogs in Europe can get to go to most public places eg shops, public transports etc. Alot of the dog owners that we met in Europe also displayed great examples of what confident and responsible owners should be like, by cleaning up after their dogs in the public, keeping dogs on-leash while in public etc. Most dogs are quite calm and we rarely hear any barking/fighting between dogs. Whereas in Sydney, we encounter way too many nervous, aggressive dogs during our 1 hr walks. It sometimes makes me think, that this may be why our dogs dont get to enjoy the same rights as in Europe ;( However this morning I saw a guy walked out of a bank with his dog. And i've seen dogs going into retail shops before. I am very interested in finding out if dogs can actually go into places like banks, stations, shops/shopping center etc? it'd be great if one day they can go on public transport too =) It's great to be able to take the dogs in so many places I love it, and makes socialising dogs so much more a matter of life. Unfortunately here we seem to be going in the opposite direction, fewer and fewer places for dogs it s such a shame. But there you go the nanny states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I think that dogs can go plenty of places in Australia, you just have to make the effort to take them. If the dogs are with us and we need to eat lunch, and there are no dog friendly places around, we just buy the food then find somewhere outside to eat it (or in the car if we have to). I take the dogs to hubby's sports games. They go to dog club and also to obedience trials. We go to dog off leash areas and reserves. They get walks around the suburbs, past the shops, meet the locals and their dogs. They often come on holidays with us - plenty of dog friendly accommodation these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetherglow Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I think that dogs can go plenty of places in Australia, you just have to make the effort to take them. If the dogs are with us and we need to eat lunch, and there are no dog friendly places around, we just buy the food then find somewhere outside to eat it (or in the car if we have to). I take the dogs to hubby's sports games. They go to dog club and also to obedience trials. We go to dog off leash areas and reserves. They get walks around the suburbs, past the shops, meet the locals and their dogs. They often come on holidays with us - plenty of dog friendly accommodation these days. Hmmm... even the term "pet friendly" is apparently different to what I think of as friendly, though. I have just gone through the process of trying to book a place for a few days, and one real estate agent was most offended when I commented that I did not think that a property which didn't allow dogs inside at all, even crated, and had only wire stock fencing should be advertised as dog friendly. When I asked for a listing of other dog-friendly properties on their books only one of about 15 allowed dogs inside, and a lot of them where in built-up areas. Just what I'd want as a neighbor - a visiting dog barking overnight because it doesn't understand why it's outside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I think that dogs can go plenty of places in Australia, you just have to make the effort to take them. If the dogs are with us and we need to eat lunch, and there are no dog friendly places around, we just buy the food then find somewhere outside to eat it (or in the car if we have to). I take the dogs to hubby's sports games. They go to dog club and also to obedience trials. We go to dog off leash areas and reserves. They get walks around the suburbs, past the shops, meet the locals and their dogs. They often come on holidays with us - plenty of dog friendly accommodation these days. Hmmm... even the term "pet friendly" is apparently different to what I think of as friendly, though. I have just gone through the process of trying to book a place for a few days, and one real estate agent was most offended when I commented that I did not think that a property which didn't allow dogs inside at all, even crated, and had only wire stock fencing should be advertised as dog friendly. When I asked for a listing of other dog-friendly properties on their books only one of about 15 allowed dogs inside, and a lot of them where in built-up areas. Just what I'd want as a neighbor - a visiting dog barking overnight because it doesn't understand why it's outside! I do agree on that point... I always contact them to find out their conditions and fencing. Sure you have to look around, but we have stayed at heaps of places that have let the dogs inside (just counting them... probably around 8 different places now). Some have bent their rules to let our dogs be crated inside, or not in the bedrooms, or if we vacuum afterwards, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyWal Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Also, in Europe dogs live inside with their families. When the family is at work, the dog is loose in the house or crated. When there are visitors over, the dogs are inside the house and have to interact properly with visitors. They don't just put them out in the backyard because they have people over, so once again they get more socialisation. This brings a smile to my face... we often had funny looks when we just moved to Australia because ours are indoors. One time we had an old friend from my husband over for dinner with his wife and 2 kids and when we started eating the dogs were just lying quiet under the table. No begging no nothing. Then 1 of the sons (about 8) said "dont you think we should bring the dogs outside when we are eating"......uhhhhhhhh NO, this is the dogs house as well and this is what they are used to. People are allowed to smoke inside here as well which often has the same effect I like your house,from a dog loving smoker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoll Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Nope i dont think there are a lot of places available to dogs today. It's getting harder and harder to access dog friendly beaches, most parks do not allow dogs, walk ways around the bluff at Blackmans bay Tas as are the ones at Snugand Cygnet and the list goes on and on do NOT allow dogs. National Parks all of which allowed dogs over 20 years ago, no longer allow them. Pet friendly accomodation is hit and miss, one place we booked into had an old dirty kennel with a chain attached to it, and for the record that was in Briport Tas. Needless to say we did not stay there. The hide of some people But there are some very good dog friendly B & B and Motels in Tasmanaia. I was asked politely to leave Bunnings recently as I carried my toy poodle around the plants area which is out doors. But once you take the beaches, the parks and the national parks out of the equation there is not that many places to take your dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**Super_Dogs** Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) I think that dogs can go plenty of places in Australia, you just have to make the effort to take them. If the dogs are with us and we need to eat lunch, and there are no dog friendly places around, we just buy the food then find somewhere outside to eat it (or in the car if we have to). I take the dogs to hubby's sports games. They go to dog club and also to obedience trials. We go to dog off leash areas and reserves. They get walks around the suburbs, past the shops, meet the locals and their dogs. They often come on holidays with us - plenty of dog friendly accommodation these days. Hmmm... even the term "pet friendly" is apparently different to what I think of as friendly, though. I have just gone through the process of trying to book a place for a few days, and one real estate agent was most offended when I commented that I did not think that a property which didn't allow dogs inside at all, even crated, and had only wire stock fencing should be advertised as dog friendly. When I asked for a listing of other dog-friendly properties on their books only one of about 15 allowed dogs inside, and a lot of them where in built-up areas. Just what I'd want as a neighbor - a visiting dog barking overnight because it doesn't understand why it's outside! I do agree on that point... I always contact them to find out their conditions and fencing. Sure you have to look around, but we have stayed at heaps of places that have let the dogs inside (just counting them... probably around 8 different places now). Some have bent their rules to let our dogs be crated inside, or not in the bedrooms, or if we vacuum afterwards, etc Totally agree. I find most properties in the fine print say "small dog only" or "outside dog only". This is not pet friendly!!! If you want your dog inside it means they are house trained. Wouldn't there be just as much chance of a child doing damage to the property that there would a dog!! I have been lucky to find a person who had 2 holiday houses close to a dog friendly beach and his houses are actually dog friendly. Dogs are allowed inside, in the pool and he has not rules about the size or number of dogs. This is pet friendly!!! Edited July 1, 2011 by buddy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keira&Phoenix Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I think that dogs can go plenty of places in Australia, you just have to make the effort to take them. If the dogs are with us and we need to eat lunch, and there are no dog friendly places around, we just buy the food then find somewhere outside to eat it (or in the car if we have to). I take the dogs to hubby's sports games. They go to dog club and also to obedience trials. We go to dog off leash areas and reserves. They get walks around the suburbs, past the shops, meet the locals and their dogs. They often come on holidays with us - plenty of dog friendly accommodation these days. Hmmm... even the term "pet friendly" is apparently different to what I think of as friendly, though. I have just gone through the process of trying to book a place for a few days, and one real estate agent was most offended when I commented that I did not think that a property which didn't allow dogs inside at all, even crated, and had only wire stock fencing should be advertised as dog friendly. When I asked for a listing of other dog-friendly properties on their books only one of about 15 allowed dogs inside, and a lot of them where in built-up areas. Just what I'd want as a neighbor - a visiting dog barking overnight because it doesn't understand why it's outside! I do agree on that point... I always contact them to find out their conditions and fencing. Sure you have to look around, but we have stayed at heaps of places that have let the dogs inside (just counting them... probably around 8 different places now). Some have bent their rules to let our dogs be crated inside, or not in the bedrooms, or if we vacuum afterwards, etc Totally agree. I find most properties in the fine print say "small dog only" or "outside dog only". This is not pet friendly!!! If you want your dog inside it means they are house trained. Wouldn't there be just as much chance of a child doing damage to the property that there would a dog!! I have bee lucky to find a person who had 2 holiday house close to a dog friendly beach and his houses are actually dog friendly. Dpgs are allowed inside, in the pool and he has not rules about the size or number of dogs. This is pet friendly!!! Are they in QLD?? If so can you PM me details as I would love something like that. When I can afford to take a holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) It's all depends on the owners and the building code rules. The news agency near where I lives allow dogs in his shops, because he doesn't like seeing dogs tied outside. Charlie or Em often goes with me to get the Sunday papers. A guy I know that works in the city brings his greyhound to work with him everyday. I don't think I've had any problem finding pet friendly places (although they are both little breed) but we rather take the dogs camping. There are a lot of pet friendly camping places around Australia :D Edited July 1, 2011 by CW EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee lee Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I have stayed at a couple of great properly dog friendly holiday houses. I do agree though, that you have to be very clear what your requirements are (ie secure yard and dog allowed inside) as many pet friendly places only allow dogs outside and often don't have fences. I cant take my GR to work or to the mall, but I haven't had too much trouble taking her most other places, including retail shops and outside at cafes. We have an abundance of offlead parks in my area too. I really don't find dog restrictions make much of an impact on my life. Having said that, I do wish I could take my dog to work, but I work in an office block with a lot of other people. I can see how it wouldn't work if everyone brought their dogs in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfsie Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I think the two go hand in hand. In Europe, dogs are allowed most places, so they get socialised more and are more confident around people and in new places, and thus they are allowed to be in those places because they behave well. Here, because our dogs aren't allowed anywhere, they are not as socialised, less confident around people and not well behaved and thus not allowed to go anywhere. Also, in Europe dogs live inside with their families. When the family is at work, the dog is loose in the house or crated. When there are visitors over, the dogs are inside the house and have to interact properly with visitors. They don't just put them out in the backyard because they have people over, so once again they get more socialisation. Mine all live in and are in the house when we are out.......And yes we have big dog, but we also used to live in the USA and Europe and it was normal. It just means the vacuum comes out once a day I take my dogs as many places as we are allowed. We are lucky, because we are Rural. And my dogs seem to attract people in a friendly manner, so are well tolerated everywhere. It is sad we cannot take ours as many places as we could in Europe and the USA. We have taken ours in to all the Plant Nurseries, Bunnings and other such stores and walks the Main streets of all the small towns nearby and have Coffee with the dogs beside us. In quite a few places, the dogs have been offered bowls of water. I think it is important to be seen around with friendly well mannered dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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