Whats Required For First Obedience Trial

[murve]

I saw that tooo TO it was 2 shepherds onto a smaller breed, not good

My boy use to break, now he wont, he didnt even break the other week when he had a puppy Schnauzer & shepherd herrasing him wanting to play while doing Sit Stays, the judge was impressed & asked me the secret for him to stay, I let our pappy pups annoy him while we practice :D

[Sayreovi]

I saw that tooo TO it was 2 shepherds onto a smaller breed, not good

No it wasn't good, especially when another shepherd from a neighbouring ring ran over as well during the commotion. Poor little dog, I wonder what caused it too escalate to that point?

[murve]

Dunno TO but I feel sorry for the owner of the little one

[OSoSwift]

I had that the other week at a trial where my dog was attacked before the trial even started in the morning ( thank god no teeth connected) just more of a scare

then later that day the same dog went my girlfriends Bermese mountain dog, just missed on connection with teeth, this was just before the 2nd trial started, after our heelwork ,SFE, Recall was done, I realized that same dog was going to be next to us for the Stays.

I was going to scratch the stays when I saw the owner & said dog got in the car & left. We ended up with a very playful Schnauser & Shepherd either side of us. I was relieved

I hope you reported it Murve.

Dogs like that have no place at an obedience trial. Your friened should also have reported it.

I am quite sure a dog over here would be reported for the same behavior. I would most certainly report it.

[Mason_Gibbs]

At one of our CCD trials in the sit stay a dog on either side of mine walked off - was so proud that he stayed sitting and came second that day

[murve]

I would say it would have been reported Oss cause it happend during an exercise so the Judges witnessed it & what I could see the Judges jumped in

Well done Masson2009 :D I am proud of my boy when he stays & others break, I had it the other week at a trial when 2 dogs broke, came over to my boy to play, he just egnored them & watched me

[Pretty Miss Emma]

Ok,this talk of dogs standing over other dogs makes it sound a bit scary.

I'd like to try to trial my young one in CCD maybe later this year or early next (never done anything like it before so I figure a good place to start). But there is absolutely no way known she would cope with that (well not just yet!).

So which are the group exercises? And from the sounds of it most of this type of behaviour seems to have occurred during the stay exercise, so how far apart are the dogs during the stay exercise? How many dogs will be in the ring at one time during these? And if a dog does behave in such a way do the judges/officials deal with it/the handler (as really it sounds like it is quite threatening and potentially dangerous)? Or is it just dealt with through loss of points?

I'm planning to go see some trials before I even set my foot in a practice ring, but this has been interesting to follow!!

[OSoSwift]

I have trial a few dogs over the years and neve had my dog stood over - as yet. WIth my DObe it would ahve been an issue of it was aggresive in nature as she would have happily finished a fight - but would never start one. Most are dogs wanting to play. All the judges I ahve seen have been onto it.

[murve]

Ok PME

CCD Recalls off lead, all heel work & stand for Examination on lead -- done solo

sit stay 1min, drop stay 2min are all down off leash, they only allow max 10 dogs 1meter apart, this is the only group exercise

If the dog breaks the judge will indicate to the handler to get their dog & stand quietly till end of stays, yes you do loose points

Yes go to some trials & watch, talk to other handlers,

The incident that happened last Sat is rare

If you can make it come to Kcc park Tues night Ross Carlson will be doing a talk on trials & etc there will be a couple dogs demonstrating the different levels too. It wil start at 7pm in the Pavilion

Edited July 1, 2011 by murve

[wuffles]

I am lucky that the obedience community around here is relatively small, so we get to know most of the dogs and learn which ones we would not do stays with. In saying that, I have not yet witnessed a serious incident. Make sure you train with other dogs that are not necessarily stable on their stays. We have a dog in our class at dog club who regularly rolls on his back gleefully in the stays so my girl is used to that... I was glad, because a dog at the trial last weekend did exactly that! This was in Novice and all the other dogs including the one next door stayed completely still... good dogs

I do think I will have a little heart attack in out of sight stays, though.

[murve]

Hey Wuffles does that dog from your club loves playing "Dead Dog"

Yes I do agree also on "Make sure you train with other dogs that are not necessarily stable on their stays" it will take patience & time but it will pay off in the long run

[wuffles]

Hey Wuffles does that dog from your club loves playing "Dead Dog"

Yes I do agree also on "Make sure you train with other dogs that are not necessarily stable on their stays" it will take patience & time but it will pay off in the long run

No not dead dog, he rolls around on his back with paws flailing. The dog in the trial did the same and even manage to displace the stay marker and throw it up in the air

[murve]

Hey Wuffles does that dog from your club loves playing "Dead Dog"

Yes I do agree also on "Make sure you train with other dogs that are not necessarily stable on their stays" it will take patience & time but it will pay off in the long run

No not dead dog, he rolls around on his back with paws flailing. The dog in the trial did the same and even manage to displace the stay marker and throw it up in the air

they are funny when they do that

[RubyStar]

I've had Ruby stood over in Novice down stays by a Rotti, but all it wanted was to play (she's a gorgeous Rotti, so friendly that I think she must be part Lab ) Ruby's tail was wagging furiously as she so desperately wanted to get up and play with it, but she was such a good girl and didn't move, and the owner went in and got it.

Ruby has also been next to a dog in CCD that rolled on its back in the down stay in such an enthusiastic manner, again she stayed.

Ruby's first CCD trial had a dog get up and approach her in the sit stay (she had already laid down, but this dog made her get up again).

I've been lucky so far that neither of my dogs have had aggressive dogs approach them, though it was a close call once in Novice stays. We had just entered the ring, there was Ruby, then a GSP, then a Collie Rough. The GSP went for the Collie TWICE before we had even started stays. While I feel sorry for the poor Collie, I am so glad it chose the Collie over Ruby to mess with! As Ruby won't start anything but she gets all up in yer face if they have words with her! She gets highly offended and goes all drama queen. It upset Ruby, she was a bit shaken up so I heeled her around a bit to settle her down, then we did stays (after the GSP was removed and reported).

Very recently, there was a dog that was eyeing a dog next to it in stays and doing this whole paw thing, it was so unsettled and just wanted to play with the dog next to it. The dog next to it was extremely nervous by this and got up and went to its mum. Another dog further down the line didn't like this, and got up and barked at it! This of course meant the 2 remaining dogs in position (my Millie and another dog) got up as they were alarmed at the barking! I don't blame Millie for getting up - being in a down stay is a vulnerable position and these unexpected warning barks was enough to startle them all. I went and got Millie, and settled her down. We were allowed to leave the ring for a few minutes to settle our dogs down and were all given another chance. Millie came out and won the ring

Doesn't matter what level you're trialling in, there is always the chance of a dog interfering with yours! It just so happens that it happens more frequently in the lower levels They really should abolish group stays, it really isn't the safest exercise.

Edited July 1, 2011 by RubyStar

[Kaffy Magee]

What happens with entire dogs? My boy is entire and it's a bit of a worry if there is another entire male next to him, do they put them at opposite ends for safety at all. My boy has never shown aggression to anything male or not but I can't say I wouldnt be worried if he is sitting next to another Large entire dog.

[wuffles]

What happens with entire dogs? My boy is entire and it's a bit of a worry if there is another entire male next to him, do they put them at opposite ends for safety at all. My boy has never shown aggression to anything male or not but I can't say I wouldnt be worried if he is sitting next to another Large entire dog.

The stays are in the same order as the running order, ie. the order you went in for the individual exercises.

[The Spotted Devil]

What happens with entire dogs? My boy is entire and it's a bit of a worry if there is another entire male next to him, do they put them at opposite ends for safety at all. My boy has never shown aggression to anything male or not but I can't say I wouldnt be worried if he is sitting next to another Large entire dog.

Training a solid stay is critical as a they may split a large class into dogs and bitches so there's not much getting away from other males! If you're concerned about the dog/s next to your boy the best thing would be to withdraw. My Dally is entire and won't take nonsense from other males that threaten him (he's a bit of a target too due to his very upright stance and tendency to make eye contact) but is quite different during stays as he has been reinforced so heavily for staying put and is very confident about the exercise.

[OSoSwift]

Train train and train it Kaffy.

My Dobe bitch would not have put up with another acting aggressive towards her. We trained that she 1 - didn't not move and knew the exercise inside out and 2 - she gave me hard eye contact the whole time. Once we went into out of sight stays she would basically do the same thing, look straight ahead.

To be honest if all else failed and a dog got up and stood over or attacked mine I would not care if it was against the rules I would got to my dog, or intervene to stop a dog fight as my dogs safety is my first priority. With the Whippets I know they will not fight, but if any dog attacked them I would do what it took to save them and cut the fight short. The dog would be reported around 10 seconds after I knew my dog was okay!

Edited July 2, 2011 by OSoSwift