Steve Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Try telling people who are on an aged pension and who have a litter or two a year that this info will never be used as part of any data matching to put them under the gun for making an income. More animal rights baloney. What info? The info they are already providing? Their name and address? Unless they are providing false information right now, verifying their identity will not alter the data held about them. It wouldn't allow data matching that couldn't happen anyway, and it wouldn't reduce the obligation the registering bodies have under the privacy act. If breeders do not trust the registering bodies to keep their information secure, how do buyers verify who they are dealing with should the deal be disputed? Why would breeders trust the registering bodies to keep their information secure when history shows us that they dont. Its not so long ago that Dogs NSW published all of a members details in their Canine Journals - including their addresses. We were told if we didnt want that info shared to set up a P.O. Box. In fact its why we first got a P.O Box Breeder addresses were publicised when rego details and export details were. Data matching is a lot easier when you can access someone's licence number as is already proven. I cant be bothered arguing this out - its a done deal anyway and time will tell if it makes any difference. Im sick to death of being assumed potentially guilty of numerous fraudulent and cruel activities because I choose to breed registered dogs. I think there is more on the agenda that we wont see for a little while. Just backs up what we already knew some Vic dogs members are croocks and whether Jo banks comes in as Jo blogs or if they say they live on a property when they live in town is the least of their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayrod Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I forwarded the below to Dogs Victoria office: I believe you forwarded the following email to Club Secretaries late yesterday. It has caused some debate as to the reason why this is being implemented? Could you please elaborate as to what purpose the Management Committee has made this decision, was it for protection from puppy farmers or for some other reason. Unfortunately your email does not have a cover sheet to indicate why MC has made this decision. If the membership was to know the reason it may alleviate some of the confusion and innuendo that now exist. and their reply: Thank you for your email, the reason there is no further information at this stage is that the implementation of the policy is not until 1st October. The email to all club secretary’s was by way of courtesy that this policy was being implemented at the later stage. We already have Photo ID as one of the methods of ID on the membership forms this is to ensure that all members use a similar or same method and that we are able to put a face to name. All security and privacy issues will be thoroughly covered before we implement the policy. As we already receive photo ID from many members we have had to have a rigorous process for keeping all information safe. As an Associated Incorporated organisation we come under the Information Privacy Act 2000 as I’m sure you would know so we have to be rigorous about the methods we currently use. Please be assured nothing much needs to change but all members will be informed well before the implementation date. Management Committee and the President in his future report will further explain the reason for this decision, which is really just an extension of what already happens. Kind regards Susan Glasgow Chief Executive Edited June 23, 2011 by wayrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 All this does for me is send a loud and clear message to the whole wide world that they know that some of their members are doing the wrong thing and committing fraud. Not that they know some crooks pretend to be registered when they are not. The whole wide world doesn't know or care about a change in administrative procedures down at the CCCQ office. Members and other interested parties will get that message instead. People that may already suspect that some members are doing the wrong thing and hiding their identity to avoid the consequences of their actions. And they will get an even stronger message that the organisations are engaging in risk management by taking basic steps to verify who their members are. That is a good thing for everyone. O.K. so members and the public and interested parties are not the whole world. Time wil tell as to whether it is a good thing for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 We already have Photo ID as one of the methods of ID on the membership forms this is to ensure that all members use a similar or same method and that we are able to put a face to name. Kind regards Susan Glasgow Chief Executive then to be totally accurate they need to see the person and ID together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CaptainCourageous Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I like the notion of ensuring the VCA is made of good members. I wonder what the start-up cost and the annual cost of the advanced membership card will be? I also wonder whether handlers will be required to carry it with them at events? CC I didn't read anything about a new membership card with photo ID on it?? Thanks Sway, now I am miles LESS interested. I thought our membership cards were going to have our photos on them. I wonder how many others will read more into it than there is? Maybe the poll wording is ambiguous too? Should photo ID be a mandatory requirement for Dogs Victoria membership perhaps should read "Should presentation of an applicant's photo ID be a mandatory requirement for Dogs Victoria membership?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experiencedfun Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I dont know about anyone else, but I find that letter poorly worded. Comes across as gobblydegook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CaptainCourageous Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Registered breeding greyhounds are all DNA certified so the parentage can be verified. Around $100 per breeding animal to have a certificate issued (It may have gone down in price) Sounds too pricey. UPenn DNA tests for MPSIIIB are $US75, and that's a specialised patent. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CaptainCourageous Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 ALL membership renewals from 1st October 2011 to 31st December 2012 will require the member to attach photo ID to the membership renewal. I wonder why they aren't commencing from July 1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 it is about time. There are puppy farmers out there who hold several prefixes for several popular breeds. One that springs to mind has shelties, labs, goldens and more. They always pay by money order, their applications are always typed....they always make mistakes about the identity of the parents of the litters and when questioned they say the office girl made a mistake. I suspect when they breed a litter of 3 they register 5 to have spare papers so that bitches can have more litters. When you talk to these people on the phone you know its the same person but you cannot prove it. Well done Dogs Victoria for taking the initative to stamp out puppy farms..... Exactly EF. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Registered breeding greyhounds are all DNA certified so the parentage can be verified. Around $100 per breeding animal to have a certificate issued (It may have gone down in price) Sounds too pricey. UPenn DNA tests for MPSIIIB are $US75, and that's a specialised patent. CC Well there you go, you have answered your own question. Why did you ask what we thought the cost might be if you already knew how much it could be done for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisart Dobes Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I really don't see what the fuss is about ?????? Even to get a video shop card you have to provide 100 points of proof of identity / address - it happens in all walks of life & we take it for granted - why should this be any different. Though I don't see the point to be honest - if I send our membership renewal in with both my partners & I drivers licence photocopied onto the attachment how are they going to know if they are real or not. If people are doing the dodgy this won't stop them - they will just have the correct paperwork / id forms dummied up to send in. Though if it does happen then I expect all of management committe, office staff & especially the CEO to address me by name when they say hello . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warval dobe Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Can my photo be before I gave up smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CaptainCourageous Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Well there you go, you have answered your own question. Why did you ask what we thought the cost might be if you already knew how much it could be done for? Not fair! I know how much a US research lab does a different DNA test for at extremely low volumes. I wondered what price an Australian concern could offer and I also wonder what price the ANKC and its controlling bodies would sign up for. I notice Genetic Technologies offer the DNA identity test for $70 ( http://www.animalnetwork.com.au/tests/ ). VCA members get 5% off at the moment, so make that $66.50. I reckon a price well under $50 should be achievable (not necessarily with GTG) if the test became compulsory and a deal could be struck. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 All this would have been resolved if years ago the Australia card had been brought in. I think the protesters have something to hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I think the protesters have something to hide. sure do; for instance I have a couple of swf that I breed every time the bitch comes into season, use a different prepaid mobile for each litter and only agree to meet the new owners down at the local dog grounds cause I don't want them to know where I live, Edited June 23, 2011 by Rebanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralPug Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Um, what about people who don't have photo ID??? I ask because a friend of mine, due to eyesight problems, years ago stopped driving and didn't bother to renew her license. Her passport is British, for some weird reason a lot of places won't accept that as photo ID. She found out recently that she has absolutely nothing that will be accepted as photo ID by Optus. Like me she has been a member of KCC, VCA, Dogs Vic for over 25 consecutive years. What happens to her when she goes to renew her membership? Dear lord, she is already talking about getting her driver's licence again (her doctor will write anything she asks him to ). As much as I love her, I don't want her on the road in charge of a vehicle again - this move by Dogs Vic will only increase her determination. Surely it would have been better to identify dogs (via microchip numbers) rather than people as a way to stop dodgy dealings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaY Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Um, what about people who don't have photo ID??? I ask because a friend of mine, due to eyesight problems, years ago stopped driving and didn't bother to renew her license. Her passport is British, for some weird reason a lot of places won't accept that as photo ID. She found out recently that she has absolutely nothing that will be accepted as photo ID by Optus. Like me she has been a member of KCC, VCA, Dogs Vic for over 25 consecutive years. What happens to her when she goes to renew her membership? Proof of ID card Dear lord, she is already talking about getting her driver's licence again (her doctor will write anything she asks him to ). As much as I love her, I don't want her on the road in charge of a vehicle again - this move by Dogs Vic will only increase her determination. You can't blame DV for her stupid behavior nor her shoddy Dr. Surely it would have been better to identify dogs (via microchip numbers) rather than people as a way to stop dodgy dealings? It is becoming compulsory to micropchip dogs at time of registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I am really surprised that people are getting so worked up about providing basic identity information - as others have said it is less than what you have to produce when joining a Video Store. What information is on your licence that is not on your application form aside from a photo. It serves to verify that you are who you say who are. If you have nothing to worry about in providing the information (i.e you're above board) then why worry? As for what DV will do with the information - that's very simple. They either check it and shred it thus not storing it OR they retain it. If they retain it then they have to comply with the Privacy Act re gathering, use and storage of information. The Act is pretty rigorous and the consequences of non-compliance are high so I'm sure DV have covered off this risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie R Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) For god’s sake Steve and the rest of you can't you see the reason behind this action !!! you surely can't all be that dull !!!!!!!!! . As far as I can see it is not to get at members who have nothing to hide nor is it to send on info to the taxation dept or whoever else it is that you are hiding from, it is to give credibility and accountability to the members and the pure bred dog world........ DOGS Victoria members ,,,,,, nothing more nothing less and unless you and or your friends have something to hide then none of you have anything to fear. Edited June 23, 2011 by Julie R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie R Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Try telling people who are on an aged pension and who have a litter or two a year that this info will never be used as part of any data matching to put them under the gun for making an income. More animal rights baloney. What info? The info they are already providing? Their name and address? Unless they are providing false information right now, verifying their identity will not alter the data held about them. It wouldn't allow data matching that couldn't happen anyway, and it wouldn't reduce the obligation the registering bodies have under the privacy act. If breeders do not trust the registering bodies to keep their information secure, how do buyers verify who they are dealing with should the deal be disputed? Why would breeders trust the registering bodies to keep their information secure when history shows us that they dont. Its not so long ago that Dogs NSW published all of a members details in their Canine Journals - including their addresses. We were told if we didnt want that info shared to set up a P.O. Box. In fact its why we first got a P.O Box Breeder addresses were publicised when rego details and export details were. Data matching is a lot easier when you can access someone's licence number as is already proven. I cant be bothered arguing this out - its a done deal anyway and time will tell if it makes any difference. Im sick to death of being assumed potentially guilty of numerous fraudulent and cruel activities because I choose to breed registered dogs. I think there is more on the agenda that we wont see for a little while. Just backs up what we already knew some Vic dogs members are croocks and whether Jo banks comes in as Jo blogs or if they say they live on a property when they live in town is the least of their problems. Because the controlling bodies already have your information, name address etc so why not give photo ID UNLESS of course you have something to hide. And why would the VCA now decide to forward this info on and go against the Incorp act ???? THINK about what you are saying and inferring, DOGS Vic is an affiliated body with the Govt ... Inc act and they have to an do abide by their rules........ It is NOT rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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