poodlefan Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 (edited) I am sure he wishes it ended differently.Very sad.Let it be a lesson to people about dogs and making choices based on research.Too many peopl obtain a dog because they like the look of a certain breed without knowing much about them.They then proceed to humanise the dog keep it indoors treat it like a child and not read the warning signs.Then one day when the dog has reached maturity and he thinks he is the pack leader and his authority is threatened he assaults the humans and it becomes his fault because owners were too stupid to see what was coming.I am not saying this is what happened here but all too often its the same story. Given that more dog attacks occur because the dog has no social bond with its owners, its an interesting observation to make. Dog attacks are not caused by whether or not a dog is allowed inside. Indeed, there are arguments that would tend to suggest that inside is better than isolated from family. If you wanted me to speculate about what happened, I'd lay odds there's been a conflict and the dog has weighed in on the side of the person its most bonded to. Facts are none of us know the circumstances of this attack. Speculation is pointless. Edited June 20, 2011 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ams Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 The article indicates the owner was a female and I am sure there is a whole heap more involved in the story than we would ever know but I'd be inclined to agree with Poodlefan re the conflict btwn humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogz4eva Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I am sure he wishes it ended differently.Very sad.Let it be a lesson to people about dogs and making choices based on research.Too many peopl obtain a dog because they like the look of a certain breed without knowing much about them.They then proceed to humanise the dog keep it indoors treat it like a child and not read the warning signs.Then one day when the dog has reached maturity and he thinks he is the pack leader and his authority is threatened he assaults the humans and it becomes his fault because owners were too stupid to see what was coming.I am not saying this is what happened here but all too often its the same story. Given that more dog attacks occur because the dog has no social bond with its owners, its an interesting observation to make. Dog attacks are not caused by whether or not a dog is allowed inside. Indeed, there are arguments that would tend to suggest that inside is better than isolated from family. If you wanted me to speculate about what happened, I'd lay odds there's been a conflict and the dog has weighed in on the side of the person its most bonded to. Facts are none of us know the circumstances of this attack. Speculation is pointless. I agree and I am not specualting on what happened in this instanceas I said in my post but I am speaking from experience.I have seen it many times before.Many people treat dogs to much like humans and they get a dog that is dominant and possessive and keeping a dog like that in the house and not offering any leadership or discipline is a recipe for disaster so I disagree with you about having a dog inside having nothing to do with it.It depends on the dog and dog with the sort of background as the one in this incident can be that way.Too many people own dogs they shouldnt.I do agree wiht you that maybe there is more to the story and I will hazard a guess dog has sided with one over the other but in they were both bitten so we will never know.I have owned many many dogs that were that way inclined and I have never ever ever had one turn on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkhe Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I actually feel really quite sorry for the people in this story. Whilst I am sure they could have figured something else out, in the heat of the moment to see your dog attacking your partner, you'd pretty much grab whatever! I would do the same thing if a person was attacking my partner, protect first, think later... its instinct. Horrible for everyone involved, including the dog. Absolutely - it's easy to look back with hindsight, or not having been there, and cast judgment about what they did or didn't do, or should have done. This is one of those situations where you really can't say what you'd do until you've actually been there yourself, and done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Can someone explain the brain tumor thing? Is it common for a brain tumor to turn a dog vicious? Was this dog on death's door anyway? That wouldn't make the situation any nicer . . . but would cast a different light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keira&Phoenix Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 (edited) Can someone explain the brain tumor thing? Is it common for a brain tumor to turn a dog vicious? Was this dog on death's door anyway? That wouldn't make the situation any nicer . . . but would cast a different light. Sandgrubber that was a different dog, they are talking about a German Shepherd. They are explaining its deed not breed and that sometimes it can be to do with training/temperament and sometimes medical reasons. "It's about how the dog has been brought up, it's the temperament, it's the training or sometimes there can be medical reasons why a dog attacks somebody."For example, he had heard about a German shepherd which had been bashing its head against the wall and trying to attack young children. "The vet euthanised it and during the post-mortem found a massive tumour on the brain that was driving the dog insane," Mr Mayne said. Edited June 20, 2011 by Keira&Phoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Unfortunately with so many BYB jumping on the Pei bandwagon, I am actually surprised they don't attack more people. There are so many grossly unsound (in mind and body) Pei's out there, its a real shame. It sounds like both people were bitten quite severely so I'm thinking the woman was doing everything she could do stop the attack and obviously stabbing the dog was a last resort. And when they say 'stabbed to death' - she may have only stabbed it once or twice in the back or legs in an attempt to get it off her husband. Lots of blood vessels down there to hit that would cause a dog to bleed out. I'm sure she didn't stand there assaulting it wildly in order to kill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Can someone explain the brain tumor thing? Is it common for a brain tumor to turn a dog vicious? It is so sad Years ago- I held a friend's guide dog as he went over the bridge . I had seen this dog born, seen him trained,and working - I knew him well - and he was a sweet and gentle boy - Unfortunately, some years down the track,he bit a few times- absolutely out of the blue. and yes, he had a brain tumour ... he was PTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 oops . .. have to read more carefully . . . sorry. Can someone explain the brain tumor thing? Is it common for a brain tumor to turn a dog vicious? Was this dog on death's door anyway? That wouldn't make the situation any nicer . . . but would cast a different light. Sandgrubber that was a different dog, they are talking about a German Shepherd. They are explaining its deed not breed and that sometimes it can be to do with training/temperament and sometimes medical reasons. "It's about how the dog has been brought up, it's the temperament, it's the training or sometimes there can be medical reasons why a dog attacks somebody."For example, he had heard about a German shepherd which had been bashing its head against the wall and trying to attack young children. "The vet euthanised it and during the post-mortem found a massive tumour on the brain that was driving the dog insane," Mr Mayne said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experiencedfun Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 various tools available are not always to hand during an attack. Very sad for all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkhe Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Can someone explain the brain tumor thing? Is it common for a brain tumor to turn a dog vicious? Was this dog on death's door anyway? That wouldn't make the situation any nicer . . . but would cast a different light. As pointed out, this was a different dog.. but just generally, brain tumours can cause abnormal in dogs in the same way as they can with humans. They can affect a person's personality and 'temperament' in many different ways and cause aggressive outbursts etc. Though they don't always - changed behaviour patterns or out of character incidents can be a recognisable symptom though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mister Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Can someone explain the brain tumor thing? Is it common for a brain tumor to turn a dog vicious? Was this dog on death's door anyway? That wouldn't make the situation any nicer . . . but would cast a different light. As pointed out, this was a different dog.. but just generally, brain tumours can cause abnormal in dogs in the same way as they can with humans. They can affect a person's personality and 'temperament' in many different ways and cause aggressive outbursts etc. Though they don't always - changed behaviour patterns or out of character incidents can be a recognisable symptom though. It can also put an immense amount of pressure on the brain cavity, I would imagine. A friend of mine had a dog that attacked her out of the blue. He ended up having meningitis and would have been in agony for quite a while before the attack. He was given his wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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