Large Number Of Savage Dog Attacks In Nsw

[RottnBullies]

I belong to two dog training clubs in Sydney and you rarely see a bully breed in the classes - given that so many are out there, it just proves to me (and others may agree or disagree) that the so many owners of these dogs are not doing a fundamental responsible act by training and socialising etc.

Belonging to 2 clubs Is not going to be a great representation of what you're claiming In your your statement! Given the number of actual training clubs around etc

ETA: Yes too many bogans are attracted to the bull breeds for the wrong reasons I will not dispute that fact, but at the end of the day It shouldn't be the dogs that always pay the price In the end.

Edited June 19, 2011 by RottnBullies

[Adnil444]

I belong to two dog training clubs in Sydney and you rarely see a bully breed in the classes - given that so many are out there, it just proves to me (and others may agree or disagree) that the so many owners of these dogs are not doing a fundamental responsible act by training and socialising etc.

Belonging to 2 clubs Is not going to be a great representation of what you're claiming In your your statement! Given the number of actual training clubs around etc

ETA: Yes too many bogans are attracted to the bull breeds for the wrong reasons I will not dispute that fact, but at the end of the day It shouldn't be the dogs that always pay the price In the end.

I agree totally with you - I'm not in any way trying to say that all of the bully breeds are bad, because I know they are not. I was giving an observation from the two clubs I belong to and there is a high population where I live with bully breeds yet I rarely see any in the classes. Then I suppose the bogans out there attracted to these breeds are not going to do the responsible thing are they?? There are lots of gsds, rotties, dobes, crossbreeds in the clubs I belong to. It would be nice to see more people with bully breeds joining in. When I visit dog parks, the dogs that seem to have the issues are the bully breeds, not with people, but with other dogs, the dogs that are shown in the media as attacking people, are generally bully breeds. If the attack was from a rottie or dobe, then they would say it and report it as such, just as they did recently with a golden that attacked a member of its own family and neighbour. I understand what it is like to have a breed of dog that is often discriminated against due to poor understanding etc. However the general public doesn't care what type of dog it was really, they just want something done about it. I agree with you that it will always be the dog that pays the price due to its moronic owner not doing the right thing in the first place.

[melzawelza]

Adnil, one of the attacks that happened during this 'spate' of attacks was a Labrador that severely injured a childs face. The story and photo is posted here. The injuries were much worse than either of these 'pit bull' attacks but they did not mention it. Kinda blows your theory out of the water.

[Zug Zug]

Two sides to every story, as always.

Stepping aside from the breed references, I think it is important that dog attacks are publicised. They can provide an opportunity to educate the public about what responsible dog ownership really is. Tying up a toey dog at a shopping centre and leaving it unsupervised is wrong, even if the dog is restrained effectively on a lead (which clearly these dogs were not). Even restrained on the lead, these animals would potentially be barking at and intimidating people as they do their shopping. That is just not acceptable in my opinion. If your dogs are like that, you need to be supervising them when they are in public.

Kids approach dogs they don't know all the time. The dogs' owners need to get real!

I don't know where this idea of 'love bites' comes from. I have never seen a dog bite someone out of love. If a dog is affectionately mouthing someone (like a puppy would) I wouldn't call that a bite. I don't get the impression that any of these attacks involved a misinterpretation of mouthing or an expression of affection from the dogs involved.

Let's not try to relabel what has happened as 'love bites' and avoid facing up to what happened. Better to face it square on and say 'the dog bit someone' and work out why that happened and deal with it better in future.

I also agree that if a labrador has bitten a child, that should be part of what is publicised. Because there is a public perception that labradors are bullet-proof and therefore don't need to be supervised with kids. That's a dangerous perception and a lot of people believe it. So that should be part of what the public hears after this latest attack. Lots of labradors live with young children. Lovely breed, but needs supervising like any other breed.

Kids are not always sensible or sensitive in their treatment of dogs, and there can be awful consequences.

Yes some dogs do become problem dogs because they had useless owners. But they are still problem dogs.

[GeckoTree]

Unless people troll police press releases and keep a file in a note pad I dont think any would know the number at all, but NSW has a register and it will be available to be seen and have the data available in the next quarter I presume.

[RottnBullies]

I belong to two dog training clubs in Sydney and you rarely see a bully breed in the classes - given that so many are out there, it just proves to me (and others may agree or disagree) that the so many owners of these dogs are not doing a fundamental responsible act by training and socialising etc.

Belonging to 2 clubs Is not going to be a great representation of what you're claiming In your your statement! Given the number of actual training clubs around etc

ETA: Yes too many bogans are attracted to the bull breeds for the wrong reasons I will not dispute that fact, but at the end of the day It shouldn't be the dogs that always pay the price In the end.

I agree totally with you - I'm not in any way trying to say that all of the bully breeds are bad, because I know they are not. I was giving an observation from the two clubs I belong to and there is a high population where I live with bully breeds yet I rarely see any in the classes. Then I suppose the bogans out there attracted to these breeds are not going to do the responsible thing are they?? There are lots of gsds, rotties, dobes, crossbreeds in the clubs I belong to. It would be nice to see more people with bully breeds joining in. When I visit dog parks, the dogs that seem to have the issues are the bully breeds, not with people, but with other dogs, the dogs that are shown in the media as attacking people, are generally bully breeds. If the attack was from a rottie or dobe, then they would say it and report it as such, just as they did recently with a golden that attacked a member of its own family and neighbour. I understand what it is like to have a breed of dog that is often discriminated against due to poor understanding etc. However the general public doesn't care what type of dog it was really, they just want something done about it. I agree with you that it will always be the dog that pays the price due to its moronic owner not doing the right thing in the first place.

But do you really know what It's like?

One can only take so much when you come across comments that pretty much translate to "Shouldn't they all be dead by now?"

Yes there are "problem" dogs but they're not human and they rely on us for guidance, when It isn't given and the dog reacts It's so much easier Isn't It to just kill the dog and move on...........Is that really solving the problem? Until this Is fixed nothing Is going to change. The general public does care about what type of dog It Is otherwise the media etc wouldn't be so hell bent on naming breeds even when they're so way off the mark on most and really haven't got a clue!, as It Is "they" the general public already been led to believe that they're safe now thanks to BSL In place!

I will always blame the owner not the dog In pretty much most attack cases

[Adnil444]

I belong to two dog training clubs in Sydney and you rarely see a bully breed in the classes - given that so many are out there, it just proves to me (and others may agree or disagree) that the so many owners of these dogs are not doing a fundamental responsible act by training and socialising etc.

Belonging to 2 clubs Is not going to be a great representation of what you're claiming In your your statement! Given the number of actual training clubs around etc

ETA: Yes too many bogans are attracted to the bull breeds for the wrong reasons I will not dispute that fact, but at the end of the day It shouldn't be the dogs that always pay the price In the end.

I agree totally with you - I'm not in any way trying to say that all of the bully breeds are bad, because I know they are not. I was giving an observation from the two clubs I belong to and there is a high population where I live with bully breeds yet I rarely see any in the classes. Then I suppose the bogans out there attracted to these breeds are not going to do the responsible thing are they?? There are lots of gsds, rotties, dobes, crossbreeds in the clubs I belong to. It would be nice to see more people with bully breeds joining in. When I visit dog parks, the dogs that seem to have the issues are the bully breeds, not with people, but with other dogs, the dogs that are shown in the media as attacking people, are generally bully breeds. If the attack was from a rottie or dobe, then they would say it and report it as such, just as they did recently with a golden that attacked a member of its own family and neighbour. I understand what it is like to have a breed of dog that is often discriminated against due to poor understanding etc. However the general public doesn't care what type of dog it was really, they just want something done about it. I agree with you that it will always be the dog that pays the price due to its moronic owner not doing the right thing in the first place.

But do you really know what It's like?

One can only take so much when you come across comments that pretty much translate to "Shouldn't they all be dead by now?"

Yes there are "problem" dogs but they're not human and they rely on us for guidance, when It isn't given and the dog reacts It's so much easier Isn't It to just kill the dog and move on...........Is that really solving the problem? Until this Is fixed nothing Is going to change. The general public does care about what type of dog It Is otherwise the media etc wouldn't be so hell bent on naming breeds even when they're so way off the mark on most and really haven't got a clue!, as It Is "they" the general public already been led to believe that they're safe now thanks to BSL In place!

I will always blame the owner not the dog In pretty much most attack cases

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I don't like BSL and I probably don't know what it is like compared to maybe what you go through. I have 3 dogs - one a purebred mini schnauzer and the other two rescue dogs are dobexrottie and dobexkelpie. The dobexrottie girls is the one that I get comments about - "dogs like that shouldn't be allowed"; "dogs like that should be muzzled all the time"; etc etc. And why, because she is large and black and tan therefore she must be aggressive etc etc, just like no doubt you get. I can assure you, just as I'm sure you can assure me that your dogs are fine, but that's because we are responsible owners and do the right things for them, for us and for the community. We have just passed out K9 good citizen award and I'm hoping to get my CCD title with her.

I don't know what the answer is, because the responsible dog owners, of which there are many, have to cop the brunt of the irresponsible ones. How do "we" regardless of what breed we have educate people? Will the moron owners even listen or does it take something more like properly enforced regulations/fines etc. I don't know. Should we, as a country be moving towards what I believe Switzerland does and enforce all dog owners to undergo socialisation and obedience as well as knowing the dog laws and you have to pass this before you can get a dog?? I like these ideas, but then wouldn't it be a type of "BSL" if you like, where the ones that don't care will just get a dog regardless. Perhaps if the only way one could get a dog is through a registered breeder and you couldn't get a dog unless you passed the test, or through rescue organisations, again with the same restrictions, then this would decrease the huge amounts of backyard breeders etc. Stopping internet sales of dogs/puppies would also be a good start.

[sandgrubber]

This if facetious. Flame if you like.

Maybe we need owner specific legislation. Eg, make people prove they are not a bogan before they can buy/register dogs of a certain class :D.

[RottnBullies]

No flaming from me on that one!

The best start I think would be More EDUCATION.. Education and more education! pure and simple. How about following everyone of those vicious dog attack articles with a piece on what not to do with your dogs, highlighting responsible dog ownership etc no matter the breed. Keeping your dogs safe and how to avoid attacks.

Maybe the governments can use some of that money that they used and keep on using In enforcing BSL and killing Innocent dogs and trying so hard to wipe out a certain breed like that's going to be the answer to their dilemma??... to something like responsible dog ownership campaigns/adds on tv, schools and all other media forms out there. And most definitely harsher penalties for owners caught not doing the right thing by their animals Including cruelty cases. If they're not fit to own a dog hell ban them from owning them again.

And please don't tell me there aren't the resources out there to do It. If council can employ their ACO's to go out and inspect for BSL purposes, In which some of them have been known to actually spend considerable amounts of time spying In on people's homes to see If they've got RB's! and trying to ID them among the many other dirty ways and things they do to notch up a killing!!!....They can most certainly police for these other things. Put some of that hard earned tax payers money to some better use. I'm sure these are all some of the ideas that have been mentioned before but yet really to be put In place.

Also more proper Investigations following attacks not just pts and all attacks not just certain breeds because they're know for being lovable etc and It's so out of character for them to attack

I would like to add that not all ACO's are as what I've mentioned, I know a lot of them do care as well

The amount of Innocent dogs taken from people's back yards and killed for doing no wrong since BSL has been Introduced Is staggering and most of all heartbreaking These are the things I and many others will never forget or forgive

And apologies for somewhat going OT

Edited June 20, 2011 by RottnBullies

[Teebs]

The amount of Innocent dogs taken from people's back yards and killed for doing no wrong since BSL has been Introduced Is staggering and most of all heartbreaking These are the things I and many others will never forget or forgive

And apologies for somewhat going OT

No need to apologise, i havent needed to post because you are saying everything i agree with.

[Keira&Phoenix]

I find I often don't have to post as RottnBullies always says what I am thinking and feeling.

[PetSitters]

I belong to two dog training clubs in Sydney and you rarely see a bully breed in the classes - given that so many are out there, it just proves to me (and others may agree or disagree) that the so many owners of these dogs are not doing a fundamental responsible act by training and socialising etc.

Belonging to 2 clubs Is not going to be a great representation of what you're claiming In your your statement! Given the number of actual training clubs around etc

ETA: Yes too many bogans are attracted to the bull breeds for the wrong reasons I will not dispute that fact, but at the end of the day It shouldn't be the dogs that always pay the price In the end.

I agree totally with you - I'm not in any way trying to say that all of the bully breeds are bad, because I know they are not. I was giving an observation from the two clubs I belong to and there is a high population where I live with bully breeds yet I rarely see any in the classes. Then I suppose the bogans out there attracted to these breeds are not going to do the responsible thing are they?? There are lots of gsds, rotties, dobes, crossbreeds in the clubs I belong to. It would be nice to see more people with bully breeds joining in. When I visit dog parks, the dogs that seem to have the issues are the bully breeds, not with people, but with other dogs, the dogs that are shown in the media as attacking people, are generally bully breeds. If the attack was from a rottie or dobe, then they would say it and report it as such, just as they did recently with a golden that attacked a member of its own family and neighbour. I understand what it is like to have a breed of dog that is often discriminated against due to poor understanding etc. However the general public doesn't care what type of dog it was really, they just want something done about it. I agree with you that it will always be the dog that pays the price due to its moronic owner not doing the right thing in the first place.

But do you really know what It's like?

One can only take so much when you come across comments that pretty much translate to "Shouldn't they all be dead by now?"

Yes there are "problem" dogs but they're not human and they rely on us for guidance, when It isn't given and the dog reacts It's so much easier Isn't It to just kill the dog and move on...........Is that really solving the problem? Until this Is fixed nothing Is going to change. The general public does care about what type of dog It Is otherwise the media etc wouldn't be so hell bent on naming breeds even when they're so way off the mark on most and really haven't got a clue!, as It Is "they" the general public already been led to believe that they're safe now thanks to BSL In place!

I will always blame the owner not the dog In pretty much most attack cases

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

[sandgrubber]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

This gets amplified by unstable / antisocial owners are both attracted to and inclined to produce unstable dogs.

There's something worse than an unstable dog . . .it's a breed that is stable and bred to be human-aggressive. There is at one banned breed out there whose breed standard calls for a stable and HA (toward strangers) temperament. In breed-specialty shows it is not considered a fault for dogs of this breed to bite the judge. Breed origins / work include capture of escaped slaves and protecting cattle from cattle rustlers and jaguars. You have to have a screw loose to want to import such a dog.

[Teebs]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

[PetSitters]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

What I am saying is, a lot of these dogs are of unstable temperaments and are poor pet quality which needs to be taken into account. There are plenty of irresponsible owners of good natured dogs that are not DA or HA and don't pose a threat although they lack training and responsible manangement. Yes it is the owners fault allowing an aggressive natured dog to become involved in an incident I agree totally, but the point I am making, is the dog isn't a lovely dog corrupted by poor management, it's a dog unsuitable for a pet environment in the hands of the irresponsible acting on it's genetic tendencies.

[poodlefan]

I'm still getting my head around "savage dog attacks". Are there any other kind?

Tautology anyone?

[Quickasyoucan]

I'm still getting my head around "savage dog attacks". Are there any other kind?

Tautology anyone?

"Savage" is such a wonderful emotive word loved by the media.

Hey it could have been "multiple maulings by mutts" - hey presto alliteration... the media loves a good mauling story even when it isn't really a mauling.

Sorry just being facetious

[poodlefan]

I'm still getting my head around "savage dog attacks". Are there any other kind?

Tautology anyone?

"Savage" is such a wonderful emotive word loved by the media.

Hey it could have been "multiple maulings by mutts" - hey presto alliteration... the media loves a good mauling story even when it isn't really a mauling.

Sorry just being facetious

How about Frenzied Fido Fangs Family.. I'd get a job at the NT News with that one. ;)

[tarope]

You can blame the owner for mismanagement of an unstable dog, but it's the dog who attacks and why is the dog attacking, weak nearve, poor temperament, fear biter? Good stable dogs don't attack for no reason and neither do good stable dogs need precision management, so in my opinion, if you need to go to great lengths in socialisation, training and precision management to prevent a dog attacking, that dog isn't a good stable dog by any stretch of the imagination.

I have a dog aggressive dog, if she ever attacked a dog, i would blame me - not her.

My options: have her PTS or keep her and keep her and others safe.

I am aware of her problems and it is my choice to keep her, so it is my job to keep her safe from other dogs. I know what she can and can not handle and will never put her in the position where she feels threatened by another dog.

I dont believe the problems that are being talked about have anything to do with the dog, it is the OWNER. All of us who own dogs should know what they can and can not cope with and all of us should do everything we can to keep them safe.

If i could not handle my girl I would have had her PTS, no questions asked. As should anyone who can not handle the problems that their dogs have.

My boy can get a bit freaked out in crowds, if i am dumb enough to let him into that situation than how is that his fault?

Sadly I can not see things changing anytime soon, people are becoming more and more scared of bull breeds and it breaks my heart and I really dont know what the answer is to fix it.

Why would you even think of putting your girl to sleep just because she's DA, the problem is many people including vets seem to think that DA dogs are dangerous.

GSD's are DA,but that doesn't stop them being wonderful loyal family pets. I know what mine are like so I keep them on a short lead, but it's the moron owners in this world who are the real problem.

I was sitting at the vets a few years ago with my GSD boy when this fool walks in and lets their dog run strait over to my boy who nearly ate this dog and the vet told me to go outside. Another time at the same vets I was sitting with my Rottie who is not DA, when another moron comes in and you guessed it let their dog jump on my Rottie who growled and snapped at this dog and this stupid woman called my girl dangerous.

I have never seen DA as a problem,but I have seen many irresponsible owners so please don't blame your dogs. :D

[Teebs]

I never said i was going to PTS?

And the whole idea of my post was just as you said, not blaming the dogs

and i know many, many GSD who are not Dog aggressive

Sorry, your post has lost me?