Kilgallonklan Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Hello For some reason it is not letting me respond to my other thread 'Beagle Breeding' so thought i'd just make a response here. Just wanted to thank everybody for their information, I tried not to take offence to the posts received as I felt that I was being quite frowned upon which really was not my intentions. In response to some questions asked, I didn't realise upon buying my Male beagle that it is actually better for the female to be older then the male, that was where the whole breeding them when he was 3.5 and she was 2 years came from. And thank you for the info that they didn't need to be seperated except for when she was on heat. Like mentioned i'm very new to this, i'm not trying to break the rule book or do the wrong thing by my dogs or a breed of dog at all. That's why I requested information so I could gain more knowledge on it. In regards to the female being the most important when it comes to breeding that's great because I don't have a female beagle yet and won't for a little while to come. If breeding my male with a new female beagle is an issue, would it then be a possiblity to desex him and allow the bitch to then breed with somebody elses male beagle who would be capatible to do so? I hope somebody understands where i'm coming from. If I want to become a proper breeder how do I go about doing that? I'm willing to search well into my avenues here so please don't discourage me i'm trying to do the right thing and this is something close to my heart. Thank you for any help, please feel free to PM me with any further information if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Hello For some reason it is not letting me respond to my other thread 'Beagle Breeding' so thought i'd just make a response here. Just wanted to thank everybody for their information, I tried not to take offence to the posts received as I felt that I was being quite frowned upon which really was not my intentions. In response to some questions asked, I didn't realise upon buying my Male beagle that it is actually better for the female to be older then the male, that was where the whole breeding them when he was 3.5 and she was 2 years came from. And thank you for the info that they didn't need to be seperated except for when she was on heat. Like mentioned i'm very new to this, i'm not trying to break the rule book or do the wrong thing by my dogs or a breed of dog at all. That's why I requested information so I could gain more knowledge on it. In regards to the female being the most important when it comes to breeding that's great because I don't have a female beagle yet and won't for a little while to come. If breeding my male with a new female beagle is an issue, would it then be a possiblity to desex him and allow the bitch to then breed with somebody elses male beagle who would be capatible to do so? I hope somebody understands where i'm coming from. If I want to become a proper breeder how do I go about doing that? I'm willing to search well into my avenues here so please don't discourage me i'm trying to do the right thing and this is something close to my heart. Thank you for any help, please feel free to PM me with any further information if you wish. Hi, You should in my opinion seek out a reliable breeder of show quality Beagles and purchase a show prospect from them on the main register of course. You will need to show the puppy to learn what makes a good Beagle. As you are showing you will learn. You will also make friends with other Beagle people and hopefully they will guide you through your early days. This should give you a good footing to further your intrests in Beagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Oakway - Oh- killgallonklan - THIS THREAD is good reading - LOTS of info for a beginner . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Ive been breeding beagles for a very long time and I remember being about where you are now. Im happy to help you - You have a way to go before you pass go yet but everyone has to start somewhere. Julie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Good for you for wanting to learn. First thing I would suggest is make no plans to breed your boy. Not at this point. He in the first instance will be a way for you to learn more, but he may or may not ever be a dog you breed with. Is he on the main register? If not I would strongly suggest desexing him now. He can still teach you and you can still learn and prepare to become a breeder while you work with him What about taking up a dog sport with him? Obedience and tracking maybe - things that will teach you more about how the breed thinks and how to handle and train them will put you in a better position to be of assistance to puppy buyers when they need help and advice with their new pups. Joining a beagle club and getting involved will help you learn more about the breed too. Being a breeder is more than just mating dogs - it means understanding every aspect of your chosen breed so you can do best by that breed. And puppy buyers deserve a breeder who doesnt consider that they are breeding 'just pets' - pets deserve a breeder who puts 100% care and responsibility into the health, structure and quality of the dogs they produce. If he is on the main register, start talking to his breeder (presuming they are a responsible one). Talk about your plans to breed sometime in the future and get them to help you assess his strengths and weaknesses and his suitability to be used at stud. Learn about his pedigree and the dogs behind him - what are their strengths and weaknesses? Take him to a few shows. Learn about the health issues in your breed and in his lines and the things you need to be aware of and test for. Learn about assessing structure. And then be prepared never to use him at stud even if he is good enough. Being a breeder is also about learning when NOT to breed. Take the time to learn and let your dog teach you. Then in a little while, consider getting a bitch as your potential foundation. By that time you will have made more contacts and may have even reassessed your goals and what you want in a beagle. you may be looking in directions you never even thought of right at this point. I say potential foundation too because if you are buying a pup their is no guarantee how that pup will turn out when fully grown. And while you may develop some ideas too I wouldn't be settling on a dog for her until she is grown. There is a good chance that the right dog for her will not be the dog you own. You will need to be able to look at your dogs on multiple levels - on the one level as your lovable pet, but on the other level as a potential breeding animal. You will need to be critical of your dog as a breeding animal and divorce yourself from your emotional attachment when you assess them. Frankly some people cant deal with that. Keep asking and learning. We never stop learning. Being a breeder is a serious responsibility - you are responsible for the future health, happiness and life of all those potential family pets you plan to breed. (be aware that if you do it wrong, there is the potential for you to be taken to court by those family pet owners....) It is not something to enter into lightly. Learn about dogs and their structure, learn about dog management, learn about your breed from the inside out and back again, learn about training and potential problems and issues that pet owners may encounter. Every dog you own will teach you even if you do not use every dog you own to breed with. It can be an exciting journey while at the same time it can be a heartbreaking one. Patience, a thick skin and intestinal fortitude as well as an open mind and a willingness to learn will stand you in good stead. Good luck! Edited May 15, 2011 by espinay2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Hi, Good on you for exploring something that is of interest to you. Goodness knows we need more breeders in the ANKC, so please do not be put off. This is what I would suggest. That you tuck away the idea of breeding for a while, not meaning to forget about it, but just put it aside for a while. Spend the next year learning about your breed, learning about dogs in general, and learning about dog breeding. I would strongly suggest to join in some sort of activity with your dog, such as obedience, agility, or tracking. This will connect you in with other dogs owners and some will be breeders, it will allow you to start to see some of the many possibilities there are in the dog world. It will also imporve your skills in dog training and will be very good for your dog. I would not suggest you join a breed club yet, that can come later. Then join as many dog forums and chat groups that can stand...LOL Look on Yahoo groups. Look for dog breeding lists, look for genetic lists, look for beagle lists, and look for a rescue list for hounds. This will open up hundreds of topics that you need to learn about before you ever think of breeding. Ask as many questions as you can and remember that not everyone on these groups will know what they are talking about. So always check out the facts. I would also suggest that you start to learn about what is going in the world of pedigree dogs and the law. Research Pedigreed Dogs Exposed, the Bateson (sp?) report, the RSPCA UK report on Welfare issues in pedigreed dogs. Become educated on inbreeding, COI, disease genetics, breeding for fit for function and so on. Also learn the dog breeding laws for your state and shire. Now if you wade through all this over the next 12 months, you will have a very different view on breeding than you do now. Then would be a good time to take back out the idea of becoming a dog breeder again and see what you think about the idea again. If you still think it is great and are now totally inspired by all you have learned about dogs, then welcome to the world of dog breeding!!! and now you can really get down to making some important decisions about the goals for your kennel. If you need some links, PM me and I'll get you some. Edited to add, I think in the breeders sections, you can post a topics but only breeders can post a responce. Not sure if Troy will open it up for you on this occasion?? Edited to add again..LOL just read some of the above posts, be sure to take up Steve on her offer! Edited May 15, 2011 by shortstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Great posts guys! Good on you Killgal. for wanting to do the right thing Check out also the State kennel Association as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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