Tysonrox Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 Ring your vet and ask them? I did and that is not true!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Some very large congenital heart defects cannot be detected as a murmur. Small holes in the heart cause the blood to be squeezed through, giving the typical murmur sound. Apparently if the hole is really large the sound isn't there. I know of one dog that had a very minor murmur at 6 weeks that later went away and the dog seemed healthy. The breeder suspected a health problem at about 12 months and specialist investigations have revealed a very large, inoperable defect that does not give off any murmur at present. It is equally possible that a murmur is not detected in a puppy but as it grows the defect becomes worse and the murmur is heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Ring your vet and ask them? I did and that is not true!!! What's not true ? We had a bitch that was bred by another breeder and raised by them. Was vaccinated as a baby, vet checked, vacc'd as an adult, checked again and then came to us. Her heart murmer was not present at any of the previous examinations and only became apparent when she was vet checked, prior to xray for hip scores. It can and does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysonrox Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 But there still should be a full refund as vic dogs has said? And you dont get a Murmur from food? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Megz- Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 I'm unsure why it's Dogs Vic call? Did I miss something there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 But there still should be a full refund as vic dogs has said? And you dont get a Murmur from food? A dog can develop heart disease from taurine deficincy Has the dog been checked by a specilaist ? I'd not be refunding anything until that had been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 (edited) But there still should be a full refund as vic dogs has said? And you dont get a Murmur from food? A dog can develop heart disease from taurine deficincy Has the dog been checked by a specilaist ? I'd not be refunding anything until that had been done. Agree. Edited May 14, 2011 by Missymoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tysonrox Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 Yes the dog has been checked even buy the breeders vet! And they all agree, the breeder has agreed but wont hand the money over and she has the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 If the breeder has the dog and they have not received a refund, seek a solicitor and contact department of fair trading and lodge a complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 So why are we even discussing it? Its a matter for small claims court or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 So why are we even discussing it? Its a matter for small claims court or similar. Because DOL has become the place to breeder bash, that's why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 For future reference, you should ALWAYS get any new pet checked by your own vet within the first week of owning it. Its important for several reasons - firstly, you get peace of mind that you have purchased a healthy pup, and secondly it is like a condition report for future reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 It is quite possible for the pup to have been in perfect health when sold with the murmur appearing later but as the pup was not examined properly by the owners vet who knows when it did appear? Maybe the breeders vet did miss it, it's possible. But the owners vet, by not bothering to carry out a basic examination when presented with a unknown pup, has done the owners no favours. According to the OP diagnosis was around the 6 month mark, 4 months after the pup was purchased, if pup went to new home at 8 weeks, which seems likely seeing as how pup had 2 vaccinations with new owner. And no vet check at either VCA can say what they want, this is between the breeder and the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Are heart murmurs/ heart disease something that is well recognised and prevalent in the french bulldog? Were the parents heart tested? These are questions that need to be considered before deciding whether a full refund is justified. No breeder in the world can 100% guarantee the health of all their pups. It is a question of ethics as to whether the breeder should refund at 6 months old, if they have done all the relevant health testing and a freak probelm occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Regardless of the what, whys & wherefore of it all if the breeder has taken the pup back & agreed to refund the money they should keep their word. If they did not intend to refund they should not take the pup back. That is dishonest no matter what the circumstances. A matter for the small claims court if it can't be resolved by asking, which seems to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danois Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 DogsVic has no jurisdiction to determine disputes between parties. Fair Trading cannot do this either. You need to lodge your claim in the Small Claims Division of the Magistrates Court and have it dealt with that way. No one here can tell you who is in the wrong and who's in the right as we do not have all the information in front of us. All we have is one biased, secondhand point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayly Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 But there still should be a full refund as vic dogs has said? And you dont get a Murmur from food? Taurine deficiency can lead to dilated cardiomyopathy which can cause systolic murmurs. More common in cats but has been observed in dogs. Taurine has been used to help treat DCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 If Vic dogs really did say they should get a full refund they are way out of line and its my experience that they never say this because they know there could be a 100 different versions of what they are hearing. Time to cut the breeder some slack. They take a pup to their vet and get a tick for its health. They sell the pup in good faith believing it is healthy and in reality unless the original vet is prepared to admit they lied and did hear a murmur but said nothing any speculation that the dog had a murmur birth or at that visit is not even part of the equation. its one vets word against another and hard to imagine one vet is prepared to call the first vet negligent or a liar. I sent a pup home a couple of years ago. It had a heart check at 6 weeks and another at 12 weeks - two days before it went to its new home. 3 days after it went home the new owner said it seemed sad and took it to their own vet for a check up. the owners vet couldnt find anything wrong but precaustion put the pup on anti biotics. 24 hours later the pup died. An autopsy was performed and the pup had died from an anurism in its heart which was probably there all along and something it was born with but 3 vets missed any problem. I send my puppies home with a pet plan free insurance policy which covers them for 6 weeks and I advise the new owners to take up either Pet Plan insurance or another for at least the first year . Pet Plan covered all of the expenses and the purchase price with the exception of 100 dollars excess which I paid to the owner. Too bad this pup didnt have insurance because if its as terribly sick as you say it is i cant imagine it will be able to live with it and because it was healthy at time of sale it would have been covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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