Danielle Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 As a kid we had a toy poodle and a Rottweiler. The toy poodle used to nip and bite us kids but the rott was amazingly gentle, I used to do everything with her, wash her, walk her, feed her etc. I remember making little jumps and stuff and doing wannabe agility with her. She was the perfect dog. Our toy poodle used to beat her up regularly. Go figure. Your friend is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Oh yeah and as for kids not being safe around dogs, that BS. We have five muttlys and our six year old daughter has grown up with them. She's very dog savvy and tells all her little friends the rules about how to act around dogs when they come for playdates. This kid is gonna turn out to be an amazing dog owner, she's better with dogs than most adults I know. Sure there's been a few incidents with my old ACD nipping her but we just make sure that they don't interact unsupervised. All is well here. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 My friend and I have been debating about dogs and doggie things. One thing she was saying to me is that she would NEVER have dogs around kids - no kind of dog at all... Now with Max and Jenna, I wouldn't even hesitate, I know what they're like around kids. Of course I would NEVER leave them unattended... but I wouldn't have a problem with my kids being around dogs... I would actually WANT my kids to be around dogs so they can learn how to treat them and behave around them... Also, she was saying that she would want a labrador because they have a much gentler and calmer temperament than other breeds... this got us into a debate with deed not breed stuff... She didn't actually say it but I felt like she was saying that other types of breeds (such a GSDs) would be more likely to turn... I don't know how to feel about this... what do you guys think about what she was saying? she might be better off with a bunny or guinea pig than a dog of she doesn't want the kids near it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) I think the world would be a better place is more people didn't want to have dogs and kids in the same household. If families don't think that they can adequately supervise all interactions between dog-and-child, then I think not getting a dog is for the best. As for breed things, we all know that it's deed not the breed. I have heard of far more dog bites by labradors IRL (i.e. dogs or people I personally know) due to food aggression than I have heard about dog bites by any other breed. That's not to say labradors are bad, but I think that the illusion of 'the perfect dog' around labradors is very harmful for dogs and people alike. Edited May 12, 2011 by Leema Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Suspect my view may annoy people more Children & dogs should never be left unsupervised because the children aren't trained We always had cats & dogs. The german shepherd used to sit by my pram & guard when I was put in the garden for a sleep, which is what they did with babies then. As toddlers we were watched & if we did anything mean or naughty to the dog we were told off or given a very little tap. While the dog was expected to behave & not be aggressive it was not expected to have its tail or ears yanked etc. In an ideal world all children should have pets but if respect & obedience can't be taught to child & dog it won't work, so some should not have dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelaa17 Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 I think the world would be a better place is more people didn't want to have dogs and kids in the same household. If families don't think that they can adequately supervise all interactions between dog-and-child, then I think not getting a dog is for the best. As for breed things, we all know that it's breed not the deed. I have heard of far more dog bites by labradors IRL (i.e. dogs or people I personally know) due to food aggression than I have heard about dog bites by any other breed. That's not to say labradors are bad, but I think that the illusion of 'the perfect dog' around labradors is very harmful for dogs and people alike. did you mean 'deed not the breed'? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelaa17 Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Suspect my view may annoy people more Children & dogs should never be left unsupervised because the children aren't trained We always had cats & dogs. The german shepherd used to sit by my pram & guard when I was put in the garden for a sleep, which is what they did with babies then. As toddlers we were watched & if we did anything mean or naughty to the dog we were told off or given a very little tap. While the dog was expected to behave & not be aggressive it was not expected to have its tail or ears yanked etc. In an ideal world all children should have pets but if respect & obedience can't be taught to child & dog it won't work, so some should not have dogs. This doesn't annoy me! This is what, I think, everyone is saying. None of us think children and dogs should be left unsupervised - its a recipe for disaster ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 she might be better off with a bunny or guinea pig than a dog of she doesn't want the kids near it. Seeing as how this lady is a reptile - oriented lady, then rodents would probably end up snake food ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 If a non dog person said to me that they'd never leave their kids alone with my dogs I would say one thing and one thing only GOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 If a non dog person said to me that they'd never leave their kids alone with my dogs I would say one thing and one thing onlyGOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 That looks a bit harsher than it should. Kids are great, I totally love them, but I dont want non dog savvy kids near my dogs ever. It's not the kids fault if they dont know how to be around dogs but it's a recipe for disaster - with any breed. Seems like the OP's friend is actually pretty wise to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim'sMum Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I sometimes wonder how we survived as kids in the 50's & 60's. We were with dogs and unsupervised often, we would take our dogs with us to the park or for walks unsupervised, many people didn't have fences and their dogs roamed about quite a bit. We and our dogs would say hello and interact with them. When my dog died I missed her terribly and spent hours just sitting with or playing with a Samoyed and St Bernard X that both lived at different houses at the end of our street....again unsupervised. These two dogs were great friends and would often be together. The Samoyed's owner used to bring me out a brush and I would happily and patiently groom both dogs.We were taught from an early age how to interact with dogs. You learnt which neighbourhood dogs were friendly and which were not....and those were few and far between and always behind a fence. The majority of dogs were very well socialised (and the term 'socialised' was not even thought about) with people and other dogs. You also learnt never to be mean, to tease or annoy a dog and if someone did, they would get a smack. I certainly don't advocate allowing kids to approach dogs they don't know but I wonder why we have become so very anal about dogs, that people are seemingly terrified of having a dog around their kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 but I wonder why we have become so very anal about dogs, that people are seemingly terrified of having a dog around their kids? because This does not happen... We were with dogs and unsupervised often, we would take our dogs with us to the park or for walks unsupervised, many people didn't have fences and their dogs roamed about quite a bit. We and our dogs would say hello and interact with them. When my dog died I missed her terribly and spent hours just sitting with or playing with a Samoyed and St Bernard X that both lived at different houses at the end of our street....again unsupervised. These two dogs were great friends and would often be together. The Samoyed's owner used to bring me out a brush and I would happily and patiently groom both dogs.We were taught from an early age how to interact with dogs. You learnt which neighbourhood dogs were friendly and which were not....and those were few and far between and always behind a fence. The majority of dogs were very well socialised (and the term 'socialised' was not even thought about) with people and other dogs. You also learnt never to be mean, to tease or annoy a dog and if someone did, they would get a smack. kids do not grow up with the freedoms we had. Neither do dogs Everything is controlled - and so neither party gets a chance to just 'be' . Discipline has changed... Like you- if we teased a dog and got a fright when growled at,or even bitten - it was our fault. And we were probably whacked as well ;) If we walked into someone's yard and got chased out by a dog - then - we should not have been there. It was all a lot simpler...perhaps not 'better' ,but certainly uncomplicated. Dogs bit. Kids knew that and respected that.. Most dogs were in yards to protect the house. Everyone- from kids to posties, to police accepted that , and acted accordingly.You just did NOT accept that someone's dog was friendly on first meeting. Dogs were used to kids/streets/other dogs .Kids had everyday free contact with neighbourhood dogs of all temperaments, and learned (all by themselves...no DVD's or books) about dog body language and behaviour It was a time of ... packs of kids & dogs , pushbikes ,vacant blocks ,parks .... My aunties collie used to wander during the day, as did most dogs locally ..and we had to hang a sign on her neck "Please do NOT feed me" ..as she would go to the bakery, and get cakes and pasties most days. She would also go down to the butchers and bring a bone home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leema Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 I think the world would be a better place is more people didn't want to have dogs and kids in the same household. If families don't think that they can adequately supervise all interactions between dog-and-child, then I think not getting a dog is for the best. As for breed things, we all know that it's breed not the deed. I have heard of far more dog bites by labradors IRL (i.e. dogs or people I personally know) due to food aggression than I have heard about dog bites by any other breed. That's not to say labradors are bad, but I think that the illusion of 'the perfect dog' around labradors is very harmful for dogs and people alike. did you mean 'deed not the breed'? lol Yes, sorry. Edited now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeK Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Dogs to be good around the kids needing solid nerve is most important and is the weak nerve and resource guarding trait causing most danger for the kids. I having much more confidence with hard nerve German Shepherd Dog or Rottwieler playing with family kids than resource guarding Golden Retriever or any dog with weak nerve that can get snappy if you tread on his tail or touch him if he sleeping. Hard nerve dog with the family for my opinion is always best choice, maybe not good with strange kids, but with is own kids hard dog is usually beautiful. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) I don't trust Emmy with kids and I don't trust kids with Charlie. So basically, no kids are ever alone with my dogs. Dog savvy or not. Edited May 13, 2011 by CW EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agility Dogs Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 All 3 of my dogs are good with kids, but I don't trust any of them on their own. The one time that OH let my girl (the most trusted) out with one of the nephews on her own I went nuts. It only takes one small accident from either side and you have the potential to end up with a bloody mess and a fractured family. On the bright side - we got together for Mother's day on the weekend. The day started with Annabelle being VERY afraid of the cute puppy with BIG TEEF MUM! By the end of the day both puppy and niece were very happy with their new friendship. (CK did occasionally come and sit under my chair for a break though!) Like anything - with time, patience and the right approach it can be made to work, but does not happen by magic and not every child or every dog is suited to interacting with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I sometimes wonder how we survived as kids in the 50's & 60's. We were with dogs and unsupervised often, we would take our dogs with us to the park or for walks unsupervised, many people didn't have fences and their dogs roamed about quite a bit. We and our dogs would say hello and interact with them. When my dog died I missed her terribly and spent hours just sitting with or playing with a Samoyed and St Bernard X that both lived at different houses at the end of our street....again unsupervised. These two dogs were great friends and would often be together. The Samoyed's owner used to bring me out a brush and I would happily and patiently groom both dogs.We were taught from an early age how to interact with dogs. You learnt which neighbourhood dogs were friendly and which were not....and those were few and far between and always behind a fence. The majority of dogs were very well socialised (and the term 'socialised' was not even thought about) with people and other dogs. You also learnt never to be mean, to tease or annoy a dog and if someone did, they would get a smack. I certainly don't advocate allowing kids to approach dogs they don't know but I wonder why we have become so very anal about dogs, that people are seemingly terrified of having a dog around their kids? Those days are gone now. We didn't know what resource guarding, prey drive & other various terms meant really, we never heard them or had all these experts on training, diet & pet care or the media pressure to buy every food & chemical to prevent our pets getting everything possible for a dog to get. Funny I never knew one child who got badly mauled & 15 years or more was a common age for a dog to die. Not sure if we maybe hear more about it all due to technology or if there is more problems generally now. What we expect from dogs & pets overall is so much more now somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 My dogs are both poundies (no history at all), I got them 4 years before my first baby arrived, so had plenty of time to see what they were like around kids. My Staffy couldn't care less about her....ignores her, but is quite happy if she wants to pat him or play with his "bling" (the shiny tags on his collar). My SWF likes older kids, but not babies, so we have just been really careful with him. He has a tendencey to be snappy, but with careful management and a lot of desensitisaion, he's good under supervision (and of course he wouldn't be left unsupervised). It's impossible to keep them totally seperate, Nor would I wnat to , they only way they learn to coexist is with practise. So it's a case of learning on all sides. The dogs have learned what they can & can't do round the baby, and she is learning how to be around them (gentle patting/no hair pulling/ no climbing in the bed with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 (edited) I never knew one child who got badly mauled & 15 years or more was a common age for a dog to die. yes, I have the same thoughts/memories. Mind you it wasn't all skipping along in the sunshine - dogs/pups with true aggression, or severe health problems were usually killed - so those things weren't passed on down the line ...but good dogs lived a long and reasonable happy,active ,social life Edited May 13, 2011 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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