OSoSwift Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I don't think I would have an issue with it, I woudl be more concerned about your lead tightening (which of course will not happen in novice ) I do not see that it would give any extra head control or any extra control when there is not a lead attatched. I would also prefer my dogs to be naked int he ring, but can understand that collars can be helpful handles in an emergency situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I agree with this. If a dog came into my ring with a flat collar fitted that tight and high I would ask the competitor to adjust it. Your collar cannot be adjusted (or doesn't appear to be able to be by the photo) so can be interpreted as giving additional head control. The rules don't state halti or gentle leader. Question... why do you use this collar in the ring? If it doesn't matter why not use a flat collar fitted correctly and avoid any confrontation? I think any collar that is fitted so it sits higher up on the neck means it is firmer than a normal flat collar and MAY give an additional cue - which is what the judges aren't happy with. It might be designed so that the dog thinks it will get a correction even though it is off lead. My Dally wears a Black Dog martingale but it sits loosely around the low point of his neck. I would love to have no collar on my dogs during trials.ish, remember that they are not saying you are cheating but it is all about perception. At novice level some judges will overlook some issues but give fair warning that other judges may not be so kind. The above is what I think too. I also don't think any slip collar should be tight on the dogs neck. IMO when they are tight they are in play. In a trial ring they should be in a neutral position. Ie a chain collar should be loose enough that the 2 end round bits should be together. Not having a go either, just trying to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeK Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Head restraining is irrelevant as Novice is off lead. Not sure how I would feel competing against someone in a collar like that. Not super happy to be honest. Why don't you just use a flat collar? Ahhhh, this is what happening, someone picking better collar in the rules and people whinging to the judge so the judge make is own rule to shut the whingers up. The judge should say on the whingers, piss off and read the book of rules, yes? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 And why is it a better collar Joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I always thought that you could only have a check chain or flat collar in the ring, I had no idea you could have martingales or any other kind of training collar. To me the collar my dog wears is completely irrelevant in the trial ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy82 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) I don't understand why a 'training collar should be high up on the neck'? The statement has been made twice now.... My dogs wear flat collars around the house, and when possible we train off leash (still wearing their flat collars), if we have to train on leash the leash is kept loose. Why does it matter where on the neck the collar is? Edited May 5, 2011 by fuzzy82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) I don't understand why a 'training collar should be high up on the neck'? The statement has been made twice now.... My dogs wear flat collars around the house, and when possible we train off leash (still wearing their flat collars), if we have to train on leash the leash is kept loose. Why does it matter where on the neck the collar is? If you are using a training collar like a martingale, prong, etc, the proper way to fit the collar is snuggly at the top of the dog's neck. Edited May 5, 2011 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Whilst my Dally wears a martingale I don't use it for training - merely because he developed a knack for wriggling out of flat collars as a youngster. Thus I don't fit it high up and it's used like a flat collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I used to trial my old Dobe in a martingale collar, he had a pin head and could slip flat collars. I had the MC fitted at about half way down his neck, just tight enough that he couldn't slip it if he pulled back. I had a judge in Novice tell me to loosen it, I tried to explain why, she said it's my ring so loosen it. You could always change collars before you enter the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I have always used Martingale and limited slip collars in the trial ring. I have never been questioned about them, but they are always at the base of the neck and are firm enough so they do not bang around, but do sit comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeK Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 And why is it a better collar Joe? Someone must be thinking is an advantage for the collar to be mentioned by the judge? They banned the flat collar in Schutzhund and have use the fursaver locked becuase people were sewing 2 flat collar together with the prongs in the middle with a bit of fluff around the neck you couldnt seeing illegal collar. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeK Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 I don't understand why a 'training collar should be high up on the neck'? The statement has been made twice now.... My dogs wear flat collars around the house, and when possible we train off leash (still wearing their flat collars), if we have to train on leash the leash is kept loose. Why does it matter where on the neck the collar is? The collar high on the neck has less muscle to absorbing the correction and controlling dog with less force. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murve Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 like Ososwift I have trialed with a martingale collar on my Whippet & have not been pulled up by a judge , I have also used a correction chain & nothing was said to me about swaping to a flat collar. My boy only wears his flat collar at home, when I work him he wears his martingale collar When I have taken part in Foo at Kcc park, the judges only asked the people who had halti's to remove them & use another type of collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) I don't really see the Martingale's I use as a training collar, but that is just me. I have recently switched to martingales from clip buckle flat collars, they still function the same way to me as a flat collar, they just get slipped over their head instead of clipped around their neck so makes it easier for me to remove in agility. I trial obedience in these collars, they sit low on the neck and are loose. If a training collar sits high on the neck and is tight, but no lead is attached to allow for corrections, wouldn't the dog become accustomed to the tight fit so therefore when a correction actually is issued, it feels no different? Edited May 6, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 It shouldn't matter as the lead has to be loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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