4 Pitbulls Maul Us Woman To Death

[Keira&Phoenix]

I dont think anybody is saying that some dogs of Bull Breed lines are not dog aggressive as certainly some are but a responsible owner knows to keep their dog under control in a public place and not put other dogs at risk.

People wonder why anti bsl supporters can come across as overly defensive, it is because the load of rubbish the media and Bull Breed haters spout about dogs that they really know nothing about. I challenge anybody to find an ounce of hate in their heart for these very happy wiggle butted people lovers if they would only look past the prejudice held against them and spend some time with one.

Thank you.

JoeK - I am anti-BSL and a Bull Breed owner (An "Amstaff" and a BullArab type crossbreed) I am well aware of the pre-disposition that some breeds of dogs and many breeds of bullies have to aggression. I am aware of it and I take measures to make sure my now 9 months old Amstaff X has the best chance to be a well socialised ambassador for her breed. It is this acceptance and the resulting training/socilaising that is the difference between a responsible owner and an irresponsible one. You will find that the "Anti-BSL club" is pointing out that it is the irresponsible owners who take no steps to prevent their dog becoming aggressive or worse the people who also mistreat them that cause the aggressive side to become dominant and dangerous not that the dogs do not have the pre-disposition. Many times the irresponsible owners are just ignorant and do not realise the training they need to put in and then don't manage the dogs correctly.(I certinaly was when I got my first dog and she now has DA issues but you know what I acknowledge that, I acknowledge my part in her issues and I am responsible when it comes to her now ie: making sure she cannot escape and not putting her into situations that will compromise her)

Look at it this way if we wipe out the pit bulls what breed is next?? How many breeds are wiped off the face of the plant before you will realise BSL is a load of tosh created to make the public feel safe and the politics look good. Maybe when the only dogs allowed are under 10kgs??

Poodiful

Having a different opinion to these people, and trying to get people to see it from another perspective, leads these people to insult and belittle and an I couldn't care less what you think attitude. It is a true reflection to the mentality of the kinds of people that are so intent on having breeds with bad reputations.

We will never change everyone's mind I guess. Maybe one day you will own a breed who has a bad reputation and then you will understand the frustration and sadness that it causes when people belittle and demonize not only the breed but in turn your dog.

Yes, I understanding the anti-BSL club intention is not the problem I see, is the problem the anti BSL club refusing to understanding why dogs having the potential in the genes for aggression is not a good thing in the community because dealing with aggressive dog for the responsible ownership and keeping thing safe is job of dedication that many pet owners cannot do properly so they say if they getting rid of dogs like this then is something dogs owners not having to deal with is a better thing for the pet.

Is very difficult to make dog aggressive to attack people if they dont having aggression in the genes, is why they dont using Labrador as defense dog in the police and use him for sniffing. Is the same reason they dont using high drive German Shepherd at the airport for sniffing around the people becuase the wrong trigger on this dogs he can bite people where the Labrador wont do this so easily and safer breed around the public.

The deed not the breed thing for me is wearing thin becuase is stupid saying this and everyone know some breed is more likey to have aggression in his genes than others except the anti BSL club is the main grouping who not recoginise this and becuase they dont recognising is one reason my opnion is they not taken seriously on their argument.

Joe

You are still missing the point. We completely understand the breed pre-disposition to aggression, and we take steps to try to counteract that. It is the irresponsible owners who do not know or do not care and you will find most of them couldn't give a flying rats bottom about BSL because they just think they are tougher having an outlawed dog.

So you would wipe a particular breed of dog off the face of the planet because of human stupidity? Humans already do enough damaged to this planet, I think we should leave the dogs alone. Deal with the idiots on the other end of the leash.

Councils need to take a harsher approach to the irresponsible owners. They also need to implement a licensing system for owners and cut out BYByers and Puppy farmers so that it is harder to get a dog without impressing a breeder. I know this system is not fool proof but I think it would make a difference.

[RottnBullies]

I am thinking Diane Jessup should learn why a dog bites which applies to any dog. I have trained 4 Pitbulls in protection in Europe

Diane Jessup actually has over 60 working titles (inc SchH and ring sports), has trained working guard and police dogs, and is an expert witness on behalf of police k9 units. I've enjoyed your latest incarnation the most, entertaining at times, but don't push your luck. The story behind this thread illustrates why we ought to take dogs seriously.

I speak on social aggression Aidan2 and someone saying what I say is wrong dropping Diane Jessup name. I don't knowing her standing on the social aggression but I know the Dr Helmut Raiser standing and work on his principal for many years and have attending many of his seminar and training schooling. If the Diane Jessup has different value on the social aggression good luck to her, I go with how Raiser teaches working drive and denonstrate on the field for your eyes to see ok?

There is plenty of theory on the dog and plenty of experts oppose each view what is right and wrong toss a coin maybe, but what I writing is on my opinion from the leash in my hand, is not rewriting of someone idea I am thinking sounds good to me. I working on aggression most of my life and reading some work from aggression experts and thinking I am knowing 20 dogs this method not working for the psycho on this dogs, so if this expert I may disagree is my right for opinion yes?

Joe

Having a different opinion on how one trains their dogs Is one thing, but belittling another fellow trainer on a public forum Is another, one whom I might add has a hell of a lot more experience In the APBT than you ever will...

You've certainly lost my respect and I won't be reading any more from you

The deed not the breed thing for me is wearing thin becuase is stupid saying this and everyone know some breed is more likey to have aggression in his genes than others except the anti BSL club is the main grouping who not recoginise this and becuase they dont recognising is one reason my opnion is they not taken seriously on their argument.

And lastly........ this here Is absolute rubbish!

I don't know which anti BSL people you're talking about, but that Is clearly not the sentiments here!

Lo Pan Is right:

The truth is the group as a whole has nothing to apologize for and has no case to answer

[Staranais]

It's true that some breeds are more likely to bite people than others. It's also true that some breeds can do far more damage than others when they bite.

It's unfair to single the pitbull out, though. Many other breeds have been used for guarding or protection work or fighting in the past, and could do a great deal of damage if they chose. The pitbull isn't alone in that regard. My malinois, for example, could do a great deal of damage to someone if she wanted to do so, and if mismanaged she'd be at least as likely to bite someone as the average mismanaged pitbull is. Yet she is (luckily) not banned.

Perhaps one day we will all only be allowed to own dogs under 10kg, since anything larger will be deemed too dangerous. I really hope not.

For what it's worth, many of the bull breeds I've met have been dog aggressive, some of the most dog aggressive dogs I have met have been bull breeds. However, only a few of them have been human aggressive, and in fact some of the most human-stable dogs I have ever met have been bull breeds.

Edited May 9, 2011 by Staranais

[Dogsrawesome]

My uncles stafford i took for a walk once, two toy poodles ran up to him biting him etc and he just stood there in shock didnt know what to do, the owners just stood there and laughed, but i think if i acted out in shock it might have ended differently but i guess we will never know. My friend has a bull breed and it had two maltese x's run up to her and she just rolled over and let them attack her. So in my opinion its how you raise the dog in the end, yes some breeds are harder to bring up than others but i never judge a breed as a whole. Yes my uncles stafford could of easily killed those poodles but the point is he didnt and i have never met an human aggressive stafford and basically the whole male part of my family own them and they have kids and have no problem with them all are great with the kids.

[sandgrubber]

Personally, I'm pro BSL . . . I just don't see that the pit bull deserves banning. I think there is good reason for banning a breed whose breed standard calls for extreme aversion to strangers, and whose body weight is twice or more that of the APBT, especially when that (or those) breed(s) is/are virtually absent from Australia and thus, no one with a much-loved dog is being hurt by the ban.

Now that I live in a place where pit bulls are as common as staffies are in Australia, I don't see what the fuss is about. Macho idiot owners are another issue.

[JoeK]

I am thinking Diane Jessup should learn why a dog bites which applies to any dog. I have trained 4 Pitbulls in protection in Europe

Diane Jessup actually has over 60 working titles (inc SchH and ring sports), has trained working guard and police dogs, and is an expert witness on behalf of police k9 units. I've enjoyed your latest incarnation the most, entertaining at times, but don't push your luck. The story behind this thread illustrates why we ought to take dogs seriously.

I speak on social aggression Aidan2 and someone saying what I say is wrong dropping Diane Jessup name. I don't knowing her standing on the social aggression but I know the Dr Helmut Raiser standing and work on his principal for many years and have attending many of his seminar and training schooling. If the Diane Jessup has different value on the social aggression good luck to her, I go with how Raiser teaches working drive and denonstrate on the field for your eyes to see ok?

There is plenty of theory on the dog and plenty of experts oppose each view what is right and wrong toss a coin maybe, but what I writing is on my opinion from the leash in my hand, is not rewriting of someone idea I am thinking sounds good to me. I working on aggression most of my life and reading some work from aggression experts and thinking I am knowing 20 dogs this method not working for the psycho on this dogs, so if this expert I may disagree is my right for opinion yes?

Joe

Having a different opinion on how one trains their dogs Is one thing, but belittling another fellow trainer on a public forum Is another, one whom I might add has a hell of a lot more experience In the APBT than you ever will...

You've certainly lost my respect and I won't be reading any more from you

The deed not the breed thing for me is wearing thin becuase is stupid saying this and everyone know some breed is more likey to have aggression in his genes than others except the anti BSL club is the main grouping who not recoginise this and becuase they dont recognising is one reason my opnion is they not taken seriously on their argument.

And lastly........ this here Is absolute rubbish!

I don't know which anti BSL people you're talking about, but that Is clearly not the sentiments here!

Lo Pan Is right:

The truth is the group as a whole has nothing to apologize for and has no case to answer

The anti BSL clubs cannot controlling the distribution of this animals into the hands of the bad owners in the black market, hows opening the law to allowing Pitbull freely going prevent the bad owners getting them?

Joe

[Keira&Phoenix]

I am thinking Diane Jessup should learn why a dog bites which applies to any dog. I have trained 4 Pitbulls in protection in Europe

Diane Jessup actually has over 60 working titles (inc SchH and ring sports), has trained working guard and police dogs, and is an expert witness on behalf of police k9 units. I've enjoyed your latest incarnation the most, entertaining at times, but don't push your luck. The story behind this thread illustrates why we ought to take dogs seriously.

I speak on social aggression Aidan2 and someone saying what I say is wrong dropping Diane Jessup name. I don't knowing her standing on the social aggression but I know the Dr Helmut Raiser standing and work on his principal for many years and have attending many of his seminar and training schooling. If the Diane Jessup has different value on the social aggression good luck to her, I go with how Raiser teaches working drive and denonstrate on the field for your eyes to see ok?

There is plenty of theory on the dog and plenty of experts oppose each view what is right and wrong toss a coin maybe, but what I writing is on my opinion from the leash in my hand, is not rewriting of someone idea I am thinking sounds good to me. I working on aggression most of my life and reading some work from aggression experts and thinking I am knowing 20 dogs this method not working for the psycho on this dogs, so if this expert I may disagree is my right for opinion yes?

Joe

Having a different opinion on how one trains their dogs Is one thing, but belittling another fellow trainer on a public forum Is another, one whom I might add has a hell of a lot more experience In the APBT than you ever will...

You've certainly lost my respect and I won't be reading any more from you

The deed not the breed thing for me is wearing thin becuase is stupid saying this and everyone know some breed is more likey to have aggression in his genes than others except the anti BSL club is the main grouping who not recoginise this and becuase they dont recognising is one reason my opnion is they not taken seriously on their argument.

And lastly........ this here Is absolute rubbish!

I don't know which anti BSL people you're talking about, but that Is clearly not the sentiments here!

Lo Pan Is right:

The truth is the group as a whole has nothing to apologize for and has no case to answer

The anti BSL clubs cannot controlling the distribution of this animals into the hands of the bad owners in the black market, hows opening the law to allowing Pitbull freely going prevent the bad owners getting them?

Joe

Because Joe part of the attraction for macho idiot owners is the fact that these dogs are illegal. Also the councils and government will be able to better regulate if the dogs are legal and no longer being sold on "the black market".

[moosmum]

I was referring to the likes of the guy and all like him that don't have any control over their dogs, please don't twist my words....

Just because someone has a large dog doesn't make them an idiot.

I never said you called all big dog owners idiots, just that all sizes and breeds of dogs can have idiot owners.

We need to concentrate on the problem and instead of banning breeds which just makes them more attractive to the people who want tough, illegal dogs deal with the owners. Make it compulsory to do obedience courses, make it so instead of registration, dog owners have to go through a course and get a license.

Regulate owners not dogs.

And then if your dog attacks a human or another animal unprovoked you get charged and your license suspended until further notice. We need to be hard with the people who allow their dogs to do these things.

Sorry,but I disagree.

You are asking ALL dog owners to pay the price for those who are irresponsible and instead of BSL,we end up with all dogs ownership being restricted.

and the "black market" extending to all dogs.

Education in dog ownership and responsibilities is badly needed now.This is partly because dog and their care are already marginalised here in Aus. Peoples experiences with dogs is limited.Further restrictions on ownership would only be a self perpetuating cycle.

The current laws should be enough if they were enforced properly.If thats not working,why would more legislation work.

Edited May 10, 2011 by moosmum

[Keira&Phoenix]

I was referring to the likes of the guy and all like him that don't have any control over their dogs, please don't twist my words....

Just because someone has a large dog doesn't make them an idiot.

I never said you called all big dog owners idiots, just that all sizes and breeds of dogs can have idiot owners.

We need to concentrate on the problem and instead of banning breeds which just makes them more attractive to the people who want tough, illegal dogs deal with the owners. Make it compulsory to do obedience courses, make it so instead of registration, dog owners have to go through a course and get a license.

Regulate owners not dogs.

And then if your dog attacks a human or another animal unprovoked you get charged and your license suspended until further notice. We need to be hard with the people who allow their dogs to do these things.

Sorry,but I disagree.

You are asking ALL dog owners to pay the price for those who are irresponsible and instead of BSL,we end up with all dogs ownership being restricted.

and the "black market" extending to all dogs.

Education in dog ownership and responsibilities is badly needed now.This is partly because dog and their care are already marginalised here in Aus. Peoples experiences with dogs is limited.Further restrictions on ownership would only be a self perpetuating cycle.

The current laws should be enough if they were enforced properly.If thats not working,why would more legislation work.

Currently we are asking an entire breed to pay the price for irresponsible owners. How is that fair?? Why should innocent dogs be punished because of PEOPLE! Do you know that over 3 Million Pitbulls are euthanised each year in America alone, that's horrendous. Dogs cannot control who they are owned by. Humans need to start taking responsibility for our screw ups and stop laying the blame on innocent animals.

Edited May 10, 2011 by Keira&Phoenix

[RottnBullies]

I was referring to the likes of the guy and all like him that don't have any control over their dogs, please don't twist my words....

Just because someone has a large dog doesn't make them an idiot.

I never said you called all big dog owners idiots, just that all sizes and breeds of dogs can have idiot owners.

We need to concentrate on the problem and instead of banning breeds which just makes them more attractive to the people who want tough, illegal dogs deal with the owners. Make it compulsory to do obedience courses, make it so instead of registration, dog owners have to go through a course and get a license.

Regulate owners not dogs.

And then if your dog attacks a human or another animal unprovoked you get charged and your license suspended until further notice. We need to be hard with the people who allow their dogs to do these things.

Sorry,but I disagree.

You are asking ALL dog owners to pay the price for those who are irresponsible and instead of BSL,we end up with all dogs ownership being restricted.

and the "black market" extending to all dogs.

Education in dog ownership and responsibilities is badly needed now.This is partly because dog and their care are already marginalised here in Aus. Peoples experiences with dogs is limited.Further restrictions on ownership would only be a self perpetuating cycle.

The current laws should be enough if they were enforced properly.If thats not working,why would more legislation work.

So can you tell me why RB owners are the only ones who have to pay the price for Irresponsible owners? bare In mind Irresponsible owners come attached with many 'other' dog breeds not affected by BSL

Another case of I really don't care about RB owners as I don't own one and It doesn't concern me!

[Keira&Phoenix]

I was referring to the likes of the guy and all like him that don't have any control over their dogs, please don't twist my words....

Just because someone has a large dog doesn't make them an idiot.

I never said you called all big dog owners idiots, just that all sizes and breeds of dogs can have idiot owners.

We need to concentrate on the problem and instead of banning breeds which just makes them more attractive to the people who want tough, illegal dogs deal with the owners. Make it compulsory to do obedience courses, make it so instead of registration, dog owners have to go through a course and get a license.

Regulate owners not dogs.

And then if your dog attacks a human or another animal unprovoked you get charged and your license suspended until further notice. We need to be hard with the people who allow their dogs to do these things.

Sorry,but I disagree.

You are asking ALL dog owners to pay the price for those who are irresponsible and instead of BSL,we end up with all dogs ownership being restricted.

and the "black market" extending to all dogs.

Education in dog ownership and responsibilities is badly needed now.This is partly because dog and their care are already marginalised here in Aus. Peoples experiences with dogs is limited.Further restrictions on ownership would only be a self perpetuating cycle.

The current laws should be enough if they were enforced properly.If thats not working,why would more legislation work.

So can you tell me why RB owners are the only ones who have to pay the price for Irresponsible owners? bare In mind Irresponsible owners come attached with many 'other' dog breeds not affected by BSL

Another case of I really don't care about RB owners as I don't own one and It doesn't concern me!

Exactly. I am sick and tired of owners of other breeds brushing the issue off or coming up with answers like "why should I have to....." (mind you I know there are many people here who have nothing to do with RB breeds who are very against BSL, so please don't take offence if you are one of them )

It is all well and dandy when it isn't affecting you or your dogs right.

[Leelaa17]

I was referring to the likes of the guy and all like him that don't have any control over their dogs, please don't twist my words....

Just because someone has a large dog doesn't make them an idiot.

I never said you called all big dog owners idiots, just that all sizes and breeds of dogs can have idiot owners.

We need to concentrate on the problem and instead of banning breeds which just makes them more attractive to the people who want tough, illegal dogs deal with the owners. Make it compulsory to do obedience courses, make it so instead of registration, dog owners have to go through a course and get a license.

Regulate owners not dogs.

And then if your dog attacks a human or another animal unprovoked you get charged and your license suspended until further notice. We need to be hard with the people who allow their dogs to do these things.

Sorry,but I disagree.

You are asking ALL dog owners to pay the price for those who are irresponsible and instead of BSL,we end up with all dogs ownership being restricted.

and the "black market" extending to all dogs.

Education in dog ownership and responsibilities is badly needed now.This is partly because dog and their care are already marginalised here in Aus. Peoples experiences with dogs is limited.Further restrictions on ownership would only be a self perpetuating cycle.

The current laws should be enough if they were enforced properly.If thats not working,why would more legislation work.

So can you tell me why RB owners are the only ones who have to pay the price for Irresponsible owners? bare In mind Irresponsible owners come attached with many 'other' dog breeds not affected by BSL

Another case of I really don't care about RB owners as I don't own one and It doesn't concern me!

Exactly. I am sick and tired of owners of other breeds brushing the issue off or coming up with answers like "why should I have to....." (mind you I know there are many people here who have nothing to do with RB breeds who are very against BSL, so please don't take offence if you are one of them )

It is all well and dandy when it isn't affecting you or your dogs right.

let me just note I have NOT read this whole thread, I literally came to the last page and started reading that first (I like to go back to front)... but I just wanted to say that I would be happy to go through a licencing process if it meant stricter laws would come out for dog owners.

I don't mind doing the hard work to make it clear I am a good owner. And I don't mind having to DO that hard work because others are irresponsible owners.

Does that make sense?

[shelby-001]

I agree LeeLaa,

I own two Amstaffs and I would have NO hesitation in going through a licencing process or compulsory obedience etc to ensure I could happily keep my dogs and therefor anyone with a dog and no licence would be fined and dealt with just as someone without a licence driving a car is. The only thing I would like to see implemented that this is for dogs kept in suburbia. I believe you should be able to apply for an exemption to have working dogs on a property without the strict laws.

[JoeK]

I was referring to the likes of the guy and all like him that don't have any control over their dogs, please don't twist my words....

Just because someone has a large dog doesn't make them an idiot.

I never said you called all big dog owners idiots, just that all sizes and breeds of dogs can have idiot owners.

We need to concentrate on the problem and instead of banning breeds which just makes them more attractive to the people who want tough, illegal dogs deal with the owners. Make it compulsory to do obedience courses, make it so instead of registration, dog owners have to go through a course and get a license.

Regulate owners not dogs.

And then if your dog attacks a human or another animal unprovoked you get charged and your license suspended until further notice. We need to be hard with the people who allow their dogs to do these things.

Sorry,but I disagree.

You are asking ALL dog owners to pay the price for those who are irresponsible and instead of BSL,we end up with all dogs ownership being restricted.

and the "black market" extending to all dogs.

Education in dog ownership and responsibilities is badly needed now.This is partly because dog and their care are already marginalised here in Aus. Peoples experiences with dogs is limited.Further restrictions on ownership would only be a self perpetuating cycle.

The current laws should be enough if they were enforced properly.If thats not working,why would more legislation work.

So can you tell me why RB owners are the only ones who have to pay the price for Irresponsible owners? bare In mind Irresponsible owners come attached with many 'other' dog breeds not affected by BSL

Another case of I really don't care about RB owners as I don't own one and It doesn't concern me!

Exactly. I am sick and tired of owners of other breeds brushing the issue off or coming up with answers like "why should I have to....." (mind you I know there are many people here who have nothing to do with RB breeds who are very against BSL, so please don't take offence if you are one of them )

It is all well and dandy when it isn't affecting you or your dogs right.

Some body telling me the Pitbull has been banned from 1992 on the import with issue on is future, so if this true is 19 year ago, so why is people still dealing with this breed?. People keep buying the Pitbull or dogs looking like the Pit in cross genes and complain? Is common knowledge this type of dog is target so my thinking is to avoiding the knock to the door to put innocent dog at risk because of breed, get a breed with no target for this makes sense, yes? Maybe in bad area is good to carry gun in case you mugging victim on the street, but if guns illegal and getting caught with a gun you have trouble happening when is a law like the Pitbull. Doesnt matter if the law right or wrong, if is the law and you getting caught braking the law is only thing is cop it on the chin?

Joe

[Aidan3]

but I just wanted to say that I would be happy to go through a licencing process if it meant stricter laws would come out for dog owners.

I don't mind doing the hard work to make it clear I am a good owner. And I don't mind having to DO that hard work because others are irresponsible owners.

Does that make sense?

It seems like an attractive option but what might some of the negatives be? Be careful what you wish for, this might be the path we head down in this country.

I think it would be good to provide an incentive for people to become responsible dog owners (register their dogs, go to obedience classes, spay and neuter).

[Leelaa17]

I was referring to the likes of the guy and all like him that don't have any control over their dogs, please don't twist my words....

Just because someone has a large dog doesn't make them an idiot.

I never said you called all big dog owners idiots, just that all sizes and breeds of dogs can have idiot owners.

We need to concentrate on the problem and instead of banning breeds which just makes them more attractive to the people who want tough, illegal dogs deal with the owners. Make it compulsory to do obedience courses, make it so instead of registration, dog owners have to go through a course and get a license.

Regulate owners not dogs.

And then if your dog attacks a human or another animal unprovoked you get charged and your license suspended until further notice. We need to be hard with the people who allow their dogs to do these things.

Sorry,but I disagree.

You are asking ALL dog owners to pay the price for those who are irresponsible and instead of BSL,we end up with all dogs ownership being restricted.

and the "black market" extending to all dogs.

Education in dog ownership and responsibilities is badly needed now.This is partly because dog and their care are already marginalised here in Aus. Peoples experiences with dogs is limited.Further restrictions on ownership would only be a self perpetuating cycle.

The current laws should be enough if they were enforced properly.If thats not working,why would more legislation work.

So can you tell me why RB owners are the only ones who have to pay the price for Irresponsible owners? bare In mind Irresponsible owners come attached with many 'other' dog breeds not affected by BSL

Another case of I really don't care about RB owners as I don't own one and It doesn't concern me!

Exactly. I am sick and tired of owners of other breeds brushing the issue off or coming up with answers like "why should I have to....." (mind you I know there are many people here who have nothing to do with RB breeds who are very against BSL, so please don't take offence if you are one of them )

It is all well and dandy when it isn't affecting you or your dogs right.

Some body telling me the Pitbull has been banned from 1992 on the import with issue on is future, so if this true is 19 year ago, so why is people still dealing with this breed?. People keep buying the Pitbull or dogs looking like the Pit in cross genes and complain? Is common knowledge this type of dog is target so my thinking is to avoiding the knock to the door to put innocent dog at risk because of breed, get a breed with no target for this makes sense, yes? Maybe in bad area is good to carry gun in case you mugging victim on the street, but if guns illegal and getting caught with a gun you have trouble happening when is a law like the Pitbull. Doesnt matter if the law right or wrong, if is the law and you getting caught braking the law is only thing is cop it on the chin?

Joe

I understand exactly where you are coming from Joe... however I think the issue is that people who had Pitbull's BEFORE the illegalisation were exempt from the law, and those people might have kept breeding etc (I'm not sure?).

I think the issue is with the fact that the breed is BANNED, not because it is 'wrong' to have them... The reason the breed is illegal is because the breed was seen as aggressive and uncontrollable (Please correct me if I'm wrong, I am making assumptions here) and that, I don't think is because of the breed, but because of the owners. Therefore the breed was made illegal.

Let's remember that GSDs were illegal in Australia until the 60's (was it?)... but now they are back and are an extremely popular companion and show dog.

ETA: Had a sentence that made absolutely NO sense.

Edited May 10, 2011 by Leelaa17

[Zhou Xuanyao]

Joe, just because someone's desire to own a Pitbull outweighs their desire to avoid any associated consequences, doesn't mean they are happy about any associated consequences, only that they choose to own a Pitbull despite them. This does not imply that anyone should cop a knock on the door on the chin, far from it.

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Edited May 10, 2011 by Lo Pan

[RottnBullies]

The reason the breed is illegal is because the breed was seen as aggressive and uncontrollable (Please correct me if I'm wrong, I am making assumptions here) and that, I don't think is because of the breed, but because of the owners. Therefore the breed was made illegal.

They are banned/restricted because Australia Is a land of sheep, and they followed suit with the British

[JoeK]

Joe, just because someone's desire to own a Pitbull outweighs their desire to avoid any associated consequences, doesn't mean they are happy about any associated consequences, only that they choose to own a Pitbull despite them. This does not imply that anyone should cop a knock on the door on the chin, far from it.

edit - superfluous

I not seeing the outlaw behavior is good path to be trusted with reason for unbanning the breed? If attitude to own the dog is up your bum on the law, then perhaps is up your bum on proper handling of the dog too? Is demonstrating the Pitbull people most are outlaw personality anyway so why should community care on their opinion of the breed or community to supporting them for unbanning is what I see happening?

Joe

[JoeK]

The reason the breed is illegal is because the breed was seen as aggressive and uncontrollable (Please correct me if I'm wrong, I am making assumptions here) and that, I don't think is because of the breed, but because of the owners. Therefore the breed was made illegal.

They are banned/restricted because Australia Is a land of sheep, and they followed suit with the British

I ask sensible question please, if the breed is not a problem and is good placid and reliable for nice pet, why is so many countries ban the breed becuase how can so many get it wrong in their opinion then saying the Pitbull is dangerous dog if it is really beautiful dog that could never hurting a fly? I dont seeing any action to banning the poodle or the Labrador why is this?

Joe

Edited May 10, 2011 by JoeK