4 Pitbulls Maul Us Woman To Death

[melzawelza]

Do you mean me?!

I most certainly did. You're really on a roll today aren't you?

[Keira&Phoenix]

Do you mean me?!

And RallyValley also.

[stordimento]

The problem here was owners. It is stupid to allow large/powerful dogs to form a pack and exhibit predatory group behaviour; it is criminal to do so if your fences aren't solid and secure at top and bottom, and if the gate arrangements aren't extremely well controlled. No smarter than leaving a loaded gun in a kindergarten. In this case, I'd hope the owners are charged with manslaughter. It would be accurate.

very well put!

[fuzzy82]

A 7 year old boy was killed by a group of huskies in Norway a few years ago. I don't think it's a breed thing, and pitbulls are bred to be dog aggressive, not human aggressive. Most people have trouble recognising a pitbull though, so I wouldn't trust that the dogs actually were pitbulls unless that have posted a photo of them.

And it's horrible of course, very sad.

I wanted to get in somewhere that there is no proof the dogs were Pits that the police officers/witnesses might have identified them as that but they really could be any mix of any breeds that sort of look like Pits but aren't.

Thought I might get told I was trivialising a womens death though so kept my gob shut.

No attempt at trivialising it, it was horrible.

[Dogsrawesome]

The problem here was owners. It is stupid to allow large/powerful dogs to form a pack and exhibit predatory group behaviour; it is criminal to do so if your fences aren't solid and secure at top and bottom, and if the gate arrangements aren't extremely well controlled. No smarter than leaving a loaded gun in a kindergarten. In this case, I'd hope the owners are charged with manslaughter. It would be accurate.

very well put!

Agree

[Maddy]

Do you mean me?!

I most certainly did. You're really on a troll today aren't you?

Fixed.

Back on topic.. almost any breed of dog can exhibit this sort of pack behaviour in the right (or wrong) circumstances. I've seen it in greyhounds (although never directed towards humans, always other dogs) and when they get going, it's very difficult to stop.

In this case, realistically, there'd have been nothing the man in the car could've done to help her (without risking his own life). But even knowing that, I doubt he'll be sleeping well for quite some time, the poor thing.

Edited for typo

Edited April 28, 2011 by Hardy's Angel

[Quickasyoucan]

Very, very sad. Poor woman, what a horrible way to die. I hope they throw the book at the owners (I mean this figuratively btw).

As PF said, doubt we will ever know the real reasons behind this attack and what triggered it. :D

Edited April 28, 2011 by Quickasyoucan

[tybrax]

FFS! are you for real! What a really stupid comment to make

This Is a very tragic story, I feel for this woman her family and all who had to witness what would have been pretty horrid and shocking to say the least

That poor lady and that poor traumatised man in the car, he will probably never forgive himself.

Waits for anti-BSL people to come in and take thread off track and trivialise the fact a lady died.

Horrific attack and that poor poor woman and witness. Completely unacceptable and yes those particular dogs should be put to sleep.

However the person above that made the offensive comment about pit supporters and the breed should apologise for her ridiculous remark. No anti-bsl person would defend these dogs or their actions, but that also doesn't mean we extrapolate what has happened to blaming an entire breed. Educate yourself about the breed and about how successful BSL has been in other countries and our own and maybe you will learn a thing or two and not embarrass yourself again. And it was YOU that made a point about the breed first, NOT us.

Well said.. tybrax

[Puppoochi]

FFS! are you for real! What a really stupid comment to make

This Is a very tragic story, I feel for this woman her family and all who had to witness what would have been pretty horrid and shocking to say the least

That poor lady and that poor traumatised man in the car, he will probably never forgive himself.

Waits for anti-BSL people to come in and take thread off track and trivialise the fact a lady died.

Horrific attack and that poor poor woman and witness. Completely unacceptable and yes those particular dogs should be put to sleep.

However the person above that made the offensive comment about pit supporters and the breed should apologise for her ridiculous remark. No anti-bsl person would defend these dogs or their actions, but that also doesn't mean we extrapolate what has happened to blaming an entire breed. Educate yourself about the breed and about how successful BSL has been in other countries and our own and maybe you will learn a thing or two and not embarrass yourself again. And it was YOU that made a point about the breed first, NOT us.

Well said.. tybrax

I guess Rally Valley was just going on on past experience

Edited May 7, 2011 by poodiful1

[Robbi]

A terrible tragedy and nobody is going to try to trivialise the fact that one person was killed and another person has to live with witnessing such an attack BUT I am not ever going to sit back quietly whilst ALL Pit Bulls are demonised by the ignorant and the media brainwashed masses.

It has to be stated yet again that there are many trigger points that cause dogs to do such an act of violence, these include

-Poor socialisation

-Constant chaining/isolation

-Abuse and torture

-Neglect

-Trained by dog fighting monsters to become aggresive

The American Pit Bull Terrier is not a human agressive dog they were known as the nanny dog until some sub cultures tried to destroy them and their reputation.

The PitBull excells at what he is trained to do, they make superb therapy dogs, fly ball dogs and they try to please their owners, it is people who are betraying that love and trust but the dogs that pay the ultimate price

[Puppoochi]

What was the pit bull bred for and what was a gun invented for? Why do we have a gun legislation in this country?

[Robbi]

What was the pit bull bred for and what was a gun invented for? Why do we have a gun legislation in this country?

I dont get your comparison of guns and Pit Bulls?

We have gun legislation to keep guns out of the hands of criminals( doesn't seem to be working) and to keep track of where fire arms are.

We have BSL to take loved family members from their homes and kill them without mercy, remember BSL targets the responsible owner who has registered their dog, the irresponsible owner has their dog chained in the backyard and enjoys the noteriety of having an "illegal" dog.

Edited May 7, 2011 by Robbi

[RottnBullies]

What was the pit bull bred for and what was a gun invented for? Why do we have a gun legislation in this country?

The APBT was bred for lots of things, and not just to fight In pits like almost everyone wants to slam them down with at every opportunity

What Is your point, this Is not about the dogs breed It's about Irresponsible owners, who continue to let their dogs down and the dogs ultimately paying the price and In this case a human as well.

[Puppoochi]

What was the pit bull bred for and what was a gun invented for? Why do we have a gun legislation in this country?

I dont get your comparison of guns and Pit Bulls?

We have gun legislation to keep guns out of the hands of criminals( doesn't seem to be working) and to keep track of where fire arms are.

We have BSL to take loved family members from their homes and kill them without mercy, remember BSL targets the responsible owner who has registered their dog, the irresponsible owner has their dog chained in the backyard and enjoys the noteriety of having an "illegal" dog.

Your relpy doesn't answer the first question

[Robbi]

What was the pit bull bred for and what was a gun invented for? Why do we have a gun legislation in this country?

I dont get your comparison of guns and Pit Bulls?

We have gun legislation to keep guns out of the hands of criminals( doesn't seem to be working) and to keep track of where fire arms are.

We have BSL to take loved family members from their homes and kill them without mercy, remember BSL targets the responsible owner who has registered their dog, the irresponsible owner has their dog chained in the backyard and enjoys the noteriety of having an "illegal" dog.

Your relpy doesn't answer the first question

The Pit Bull was bred for pit fighting as were many other breeds of dogs from previous centuries, the Pit Bull was also bred to never be human aggressive unlike some other breeds. Are we going to persacute other breeds due to their original purposes such as dogs bred for bear baiting and dogs used in war against warriors?

[Puppoochi]

there are certain types of people that own guns that shouldn't, there are certain types of people that own dangerous animals that shouldn't. These people have ruined it for the rest of the people that are responsible. It is too easy to own a dangerous breed

[Robbi]

I certainly agree that there are people that shouldn't own any dog, there are really no dangerous dogs, dogs are only what we make them. Some people would turn a Poodle agressive, you are just lucky your breed of choice doesn't appeal to the type of person that is a cruel irresponsible owner.

[Keira&Phoenix]

I certainly agree that there are people that shouldn't own any dog, there are really no dangerous dogs, dogs are only what we make them. Some people would turn a Poodle agressive, you are just lucky your breed of choice doesn't appeal to the type of person that is a cruel irresponsible owner.

THis is exactly what I would have said but I would have said ALL dogs ARE dangerous they all have teeth and great power behind them.

FYI Poodiful comparing Pitbulls and Guns doesn't work. Guns were designed and made to injure/kill people. Pitbulls were bred for bull baiting/pit fighting and other things, but they certainly were never bred for human aggression. It is people with your attitude that gives BSL it's fuel.

Edited May 7, 2011 by Keira&Phoenix

[JoeK]

People needing to understanding that a good Pitbull needs to have the trait of social aggression in the genes and without social aggression you cannot train a fighting dog to do the job. If a good Pitbull come to the hands of people who cant handle the social aggression and train him for nice behavior then danger from this dog can be easily happening and we cant rely on people breeding the Pitbull with no social aggression in the trait otherwise is like Amstaff. So if someone breeding proper Pitbull with the proper trait and ending up on the wrong owners is why they ban the dog when anyone can get him easily.

People saying the Pitbull has breeding for no human aggression is the same for German Shepherd Dog, but the trait of social aggression in the genes of both this dogs if handled and training incorrect dogs can bite acting from the trait. Social aggression is only bad trait when owners of dogs like this dont train them properly and when trait come out dominant and uncontrolled is what making dangerous dogs who will bite.

Joe

[Puppoochi]

I certainly agree that there are people that shouldn't own any dog, there are really no dangerous dogs, dogs are only what we make them. Some people would turn a Poodle agressive, you are just lucky your breed of choice doesn't appeal to the type of person that is a cruel irresponsible owner.

I agree that my breed most certainly does not appeal to the types of people that want to scare others with their dogs. But I most certainly do not agree that there are no dangerous dogs, otherwise this poor lady would still be alive today, and I could kick a toy poodle from here to the gold coast if one was to threaten me. What's your solution to stop undesirables owning dangerous breeds capable of killing?

Edited May 7, 2011 by poodiful1