fuzzy82 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 What do you mean this roo can have a perfectly happy life given proper care? How? No matter what care he is given, he will never be able to socialise, run, jump, scratch himself etc etc etc. He can't do anything. The only thing he can do is eat, and probably only when the food is put right in front of him. How can that ever be a happy life? It's not like a human at all. Animals have instincts, they are supposed to express those instincts in the form of socialising, running, playing. Depriving an animal of all that for the sake of keeping it alive is not fair, and a total waste of money that could be spent saving other animals. I believe that euthanasia is more humane than being kept alive in some cases. That also applies to humans, and some people choose to die rather than live with severe illness and disability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Very disturbing to think someone can keep a paralyzed wild animal like that. I hope he is humanely put to sleep, the quicker the better, can't imagine how stressed the poor thing is. It's quite sickening to see the photos of him dressed up, I cringe when I see people with dogs dressed up and treated like kids, let alone one of our native animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curlybert Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Yes. It's quiet horrible. In that first photograph the woman is spruced up as though she's going on a date with the wretched roo in his collar and tie. Maybe it was just a staged pic for the news article but it's creepy nevertheless. The poor creature should be put down just like any other badly injured animal with no chance of recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 There's another sad dimension to all this. Irwin is a wild animal. He's not been domesticated and I simply cannot believe that if he could move, he'd tolerate what he has to put up with now. Shame on the wild life refuge for not doing right by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 This is cruelty . A kangaroo can NOT live vicariously, as can a human... A kangaroo can not read/enjoy TV/play mind games to keep entertained. Poor kangaroo is totally dependent , and , of course, seems accepting and gentle and snuggly ... kangaroos do enjoy physical contact ..BUT this poor thing has no way to escape if he does NOT want to participate . How very sad. This animal could live a perfectly happy life if it was in the right care IMO. Leela - can you describe for me what this Kangaroo can do to make itself feel happy? Do you know what makes a kangaroo happy ? Would you kill a person because they couldn't feel anything from the neck down? Yes, if they asked me to , I would try & help.And, for the record, if I was ever to be paralysed from the neck down, and totally dependent , I would hope someone would do me the kindness of assisting with my euthanasia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9angel Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I think it is cruel. I saw the footage on the news and at first I thought 'oh how sweet' until they showed the poor roo and the way he kept falling over. That is just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripley Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Poor little tragic roo. Here's an an update: AN American woman fighting to keep her paralysed pet kangaroo in Oklahoma has been told she needs to take out a $US50,000 ($A47,565) insurance policy and can't take her roo out in public unless it's in a cage or restraints. Christie Carr is seeking an exemption from the Broken Arrow City Council to keep Irwin, a red kangaroo that she cares for much like a child. Irwin, who is named after the late "crocodile hunter" Steve Irwin, rides in a car seat, is dressed in a shirt and pants each day and is rarely away from his doting caretaker. Last night, the council said it would amend its exotic animal act to allow Ms Carr to keep the kangaroo as a pet but only if certain requirements were met, the Tulsa World newspaper reported on its website. The council, worried the animal could injure someone, has stipulated that Ms Carr must buy a $US50,000 insurance policy. "If I could afford to throw away money like that, I could afford to move out of town," Ms Carr told the council last night, according to the Tulsa World. The new rules would also prevent Ms Carr from having the kangaroo with her in public places and on streets or footpaths unless the animal is in a cage or restraints. Councillors plan to adopt the amendments at their next meeting, which is on May 3. Following yesterday's meeting, Ms Carr called the requirements extreme and said she would have to move because she couldn't afford the insurance. "Also, Irwin can't be in a cage," she said. "They want to discuss animal cruelty - that is about as cruel as you can get for a disabled animal." Along with the insurance policy, Ms Carr would have to have certifications that Irwin has a proper enclosure, habitat and vaccinations. She would have to comply with federal and state animal laws, have no animal-ordinance violations and pay a $US100 ($A95) fee to the city every year. City Manager Dave Wooden said the issue had brought unique challenges. "On the one hand, you have an individual who is emotionally tied to an animal that is not normally considered a domestic pet. On the other hand, you have a wild animal living in the city, and there's no guarantee that animal may not convert to its natural tendencies and harm either its owner or someone else," he told the paper. A council staff report said some of the feedback the city received from Australia criticised the way Carr dressed the kangaroo in clothes and exposed him to an environment more consistent with the raising of humans rather than animals, the newspaper said. Ms Carr told the council that some of the comments from Australia were from animal radicals who had sent her threats and degrading comments. "You're talking about a country that mass murders its kangaroos," she said, speaking of the legality of kangaroo hunting in Australia. Ms Carr was a volunteer at a local animal sanctuary when she met Irwin, who had run into a fence post and suffered a broken neck and brain injury that left him paralysed. Ms Carr volunteered to take young kangaroo home and, while nursing him back to health, developed a bond. Irwin cannot stand or walk on his own, although he is slowly gaining back mobility and can hop three or four times in a row with assistance, she said. The one-year-old roo never leaves Ms Carr's side for more than an hour, often accompanying her on errands and going out to eat. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/irwin-the-roo...2#ixzz1K3PVzSrL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Along with the insurance policy, Ms Carr would have to have certifications that Irwin has a proper enclosure, habitat and vaccinations. And we're not talking the average sized back yard here. Roo's although they can be quite sociable, allowing patting and hand feeding, do not thrive in small enclosures and are easily stressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) I wonder how his muscles and bones will develop and the stresses this will put on his system. Big reds are powerful animals, the males especially. All their grace and power Nature bestowed them with is the strength they can generate in their hind. They are an amazing combination of muscle, asymmetry and balance. Edited April 20, 2011 by lilli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 As someone who has roos as pets and a highly special needs one at that, I am thoroughly horrified by this story. Roos are prey animals, they are not dolls to dress up and drive around. My girls are very people orientated but they are wild animals. Poppy is a red doe and once kangaroos lose their natural fear of humans that is when they can becomme a danger. Poppy will grab me on the back while I am walking in a bear hug people think this is cute, I know better and this behaviour is discouraged by me to prevent the behaviour from escalating. Place a small child in that situation and it could end in major injuries. Poor Irwin does not have the physical capacity to react in either fight or flight mode. Anyone that has worked closely with roos understand how easily they stress and knowingly putting an animal in this situation sickens me. I get very concerned when I see people in roo enclosures picking up their arms exposing their chests, this can be seen by the roo as a defensive move and can kick to protect themselves. Sometimes we humans are incredibly selfish when it comes to making decisions about animals when emotions are involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 As someone who has roos as pets and a highly special needs one at that, I am thoroughly horrified by this story. Roos are prey animals, they are not dolls to dress up and drive around. My girls are very people orientated but they are wild animals. Poppy is a red doe and once kangaroos lose their natural fear of humans that is when they can becomme a danger. Poppy will grab me on the back while I am walking in a bear hug people think this is cute, I know better and this behaviour is discouraged by me to prevent the behaviour from escalating. Place a small child in that situation and it could end in major injuries. Poor Irwin does not have the physical capacity to react in either fight or flight mode. Anyone that has worked closely with roos understand how easily they stress and knowingly putting an animal in this situation sickens me. I get very concerned when I see people in roo enclosures picking up their arms exposing their chests, this can be seen by the roo as a defensive move and can kick to protect themselves.Sometimes we humans are incredibly selfish when it comes to making decisions about animals when emotions are involved You nailed that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I just wanted to add and this may seem hypocritical but two of my girls were no hope cases, I went against medical advice and they recovered however I was prepared to make the decision to euthanase if they did not show signs of improvement. Poppy broke a bone in her vertebrae and was given no chance of survival - it took 12 weeks of intensive rehab and she is now perfect Daisy suffered a brain haemorrhage after her mother fell on her after being shot. The haemorrhage occured 4 weeks after she came into my care as a furless baby but she had a mouth droop from day one. She suffered major seizures and lost mobilty, sight and hearing (she was barely furred) she began regaining these senses after 4 weeks and 2 years later she has to have special care as her digestive sysytem suffered badly. My point is I fully understand the desire to rehabilitate a wild animal but at no time were my girls paraded around like an ornament to garner attention or support and I would have put them down for their own benefit if I could not offer them a decent life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Well said Casowner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Yes, casowner. I have friends who rehab injured roos - and they have done some amazing work ...BUT it is all with the aim of having the roo as an independent animal ...not a house pet or ornament or surrogate child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 all I can say is ... *ffs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 And I am sorry but that pic with her and the roo dressed in a suit looked like they were about to go on a date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luffy4688 Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I find the 1st picture in the news article pretty disturbing to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Among their outings, the pair regularly visit people in nursing homes. "He really enjoys going on his visits. That is his calling," Mrs Carr said. "He snuggles them, he kisses them and he gets very excited." I bet he does - and wants to rip someone's face off. That poor bloody roo, and shame on the moron animal sanctuary for releasing him to that woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim'sMum Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 :p Her kangaroo 'son'? She feeds it junk food with no nutritional value and loads of chemical colouring and flavouring....and dresses the poor thing in a suit and tie? Someone please give this nutjob a pet rock...tell her it's her 'child', and take that poor animal away from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 and wants to rip someone's face off. I doubt it- he is only a baby yet :p He WILL, tho be trying to get away , which is worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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