Caesars mum Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Is it possible to desex a bitch who suffers from the blood clotting disease Hemophilia? A friends bitch has Hemophilia and the vet wont even discuss trying to desex her. this lady has 2 male dogs also, one is a show dog and under breeders contract not to be desexed and the other has been desexed. the neighbour also has entire dogs and she is worried for the bitch and wants to have her desexed. She is an adult bitch who has had several seasons and breeding from her is not an options or desired. anyone ever had to do this or know of a bitch with this condition who has undergone desexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) Don't know about it but the Vet's attitude makes sense. Has your friend thought about using the Suprelorin Implant instead? Edited for spelling Edited April 10, 2011 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D & D Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I was going to suggest a suprelorin implant, too. Alteratively, there's a Covinan injection (kind of the bitch version of suprelorin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 As far as im aware yes . The vet can perform a clotting test prior to to assist with the surgery No way would i consider implanting the male especially if a show dog ,it makes the testicle smaller & the sperm count can be affected . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 No way would i consider implanting the male especially if a show dog ,it makes the testicle smaller & the sperm count can be affected . I didn't mean the male should be implanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss B Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I agree with those who have suggested Suprelorin for the bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kezzzza Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 As I have always had boys, but now I have one of each and my girls is desexed, I'm wanting to get another (to show) but feel I will need to get a bitch as my boy had not had much contact with other males. So what is Suprelorin and how does it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) So what is Suprelorin and how does it work? It's a desexing implant - works much as "The Pill" works for women. It is an implant just like a microchip. (There is the human equivalent of "The Pill" implant too.) You can get ones that last for 6 months and also ones that last for one year. Check it out because I'm not sure ..... but I thought they were working on one that would last for 2 years. Not sure about that though. Funnily enough, Suprelorin was developed for use in bitches but they found it worked well in dogs and use in dogs as opposed to bitches seems to be the most prevalent. I have a couple of theories for reasons this might be so but that would take us OT so won't rattle on about that here. Point is, whilst you will hear it used more in males, it is, I believe, quite successful in females as well. Edited April 10, 2011 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kezzzza Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Thanks Erny I'm off to see my vet for more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesars mum Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 thanks all for the info, so will the superloin stop her having season or just prevent pregnacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 thanks all for the info, so will the superloin stop her having season or just prevent pregnacy? Not having first hand experience in entire bitches and the Suprelorin Implant, I would expect it would stop the seasons just as "The Pill" stops women having periods (mostly). But these questions best to be double checked with those who know ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grace Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I remember one of my aunts had a cat many years ago that was a Hemophiliac. It was only discovered when she was taken in for desexing. The vet refused to operate as she would have bled to death, they had her put to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzlestick Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I remember one of my aunts had a cat many years ago that was a Hemophiliac. It was only discovered when she was taken in for desexing. The vet refused to operate as she would have bled to death, they had her put to sleep. That's odd. I wonder how the vet came to the conclusion she was a hemophiliac. It's not a routine test done on admission for desexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirst_goldens Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 more to the point why was she pts just casue he had a clotting disorder?? odd! interesting topic would love to know the outome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) There is a dna test for Von Willebrands in some breeds or perhaps there were indicators or it is a breed with a known prevelance. I would think it depends how severe the condition is as to desexing. Edited April 10, 2011 by frufru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Haemophilia in females is exceedingly rare. How did they come to that conclusion? There are ways around it, alternatively the vet can just go in through keyhole with specialist supervision and do a tubal ligation instead of a full spey or just remove the ovaries. Being a bitch that has cycled she will have extensive vascularisation to the reproductive organs which in any case will be more prone to bleeding. If the males are related to the bitch enough cut them all out of the gene pool, when you start having females with Haemophilia you're hitting the wrong end of the gene pool. I gave my bitch Covenin this season and although it did pull her out of heat it took a week. It is an option but not forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogs4Fun Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 This diagnosis would be a very rare one. What testing was done to come to this conclusion? How old is the bitch? Has she had any evidence of unusual bleeding (from puppy teeth being lost etc?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrm88 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I am not sure at all and my memory is foggy so may be wrong, but if surgery is to be performed on an animal with low/no clotting, then a vitamin k injection should be given 24 hours prior to surgery to cause clotting to occur. But as I said I could definately be wrong and remembering the wrong thing as it was a long time ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 What kind of haemophilia is it, & how did the vet diagnose it? There are several different types of haemophilia, all inherited differently, although the more common types are X-linked and hence are very rare in females. Not every blood clotting disorder is a haemophilia either, though. If it's severe haemophilia, your vet is probably wise not to go with elective surgery, especially if they don't have the facilities or experience to do it. If your friend is dead set on the surgery, she can always ask for referral to a specialist. In any case they'll probably want some units of fresh frozen canine plasma standing by in case they need to do a transfusion, which will be rather $ for your friend. The Suprelorin is a good idea to discuss with the vet, if you can still get it in Aussie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 The Suprelorin is a good idea to discuss with the vet, if you can still get it in Aussie. Is there a reason why we shouldn't be able to, Staranais? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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