Mass Desexing Now, Rspca

[Erny]

I used to really like politics but now I do not like the sameness from all parties. We now live in a world where 5%-10% of voters (swinging ones) call all the shots..so much for democracy.

I think I should start a campaign in my electorate where all even number households for Liberal, and the odd numbers vote Labor. Nothing like a very close poll and a marginal electorate to attract lots of political attention/govt funding.

And those who live in houses with numbers that are lettered (eg "3A and 3B") can be the Greenie votes.

Vote PF for Beloved Supreme Leader

[Souff]

Killing by shelters/vets is not 'cruelty' in my book.

if the killing of over ( well over some say) 250.000 dogs and cats each year isnt cruelty, then what is?.

Leaving pets ( often desexed) on short chains, or in bare yards, with no food/training/warmth.... THAT is cruel.

Mixing up breeds ,producing pups with mismatched bodyparts /coats... that can be cruel.

dogs housed in cages at puppy factories- THAT is cruel.

leaving a cute little fluffy dog until its coat is so matted that the dog cannot see properly, or walk comfortably ...THAT is cruelty.

Mass desexing will do NOTHING to stop humans treating pets badly ..and THAT is cruelty.

I totally agree. That is the greater cruelty.

Souff

[Nekhbet]

I think it is unfair to leave a dog entire, with all its natural urges unfulfilled. Desexing helps to eliminate that problem. Perthaps you can outline some reasons why desexing of pets should be optional.

I see plenty of desexed dogs with 'urges'.

Start thinking like a dog and not like a human. Desexing is not the be all and end all to solving problems in this country, changing the way people view dogs as backyard ornaments that get some tinned slop and glorified horse feed is a bigger start then forcing people to desex their animals.

[JoeK]

I am not thinking to desexing all the pets is thought from the brightest shining star because is same as closing of the gate when the horse he done a runner, yes?

What need is happening on my opinion to lowering the amount of unwanted pets is for law to stop Tom and Dick for breeding anything and everything on there pleasure. To breed a dog, you need to have a licence and to get a licence you need a registered pedigree bitch you own otherwise you don't get a licence. If you breed with no licence and get caught, you getting say $1000 fine?

This to me making people think too, ahhh $1000 fine is no good, maybe I keeping my dog in better responsibility and I desex him or her myself. Its stopping the puppy farming because there is control, where no control is obvious the unwanted dogs and cats will be happening becuase is too easy to doing as you please and no one cares whats happening.

I am only specialist welder, not the rocket scienceing and I can see this problem easy and saying in my opinion is that too many dogs needs to be stopping at the beginning and unlicnened breeding of the dogs needs to be crime and my opinion is half of theis problems will go away.

Joe

[WreckitWhippet]

I am not thinking to desexing all the pets is thought from the brightest shining star because is same as closing of the gate when the horse he done a runner, yes?

What need is happening on my opinion to lowering the amount of unwanted pets is for law to stop Tom and Dick for breeding anything and everything on there pleasure. To breed a dog, you need to have a licence and to get a licence you need a registered pedigree bitch you own otherwise you don't get a licence. If you breed with no licence and get caught, you getting say $1000 fine?

This to me making people think too, ahhh $1000 fine is no good, maybe I keeping my dog in better responsibility and I desex him or her myself. Its stopping the puppy farming because there is control, where no control is obvious the unwanted dogs and cats will be happening becuase is too easy to doing as you please and no one cares whats happening.

I am only specialist welder, not the rocket scienceing and I can see this problem easy and saying in my opinion is that too many dogs needs to be stopping at the beginning and unlicnened breeding of the dogs needs to be crime and my opinion is half of theis problems will go away.

Joe

I can't see how, using NSW for example where it's compulsary to microchip and lifetime register ( fines attached for getting caught with unregistered/chiiped dogs ), yet there are still those who choose to ignore the legislation.

The same goes for being on leash , unless it's a designated leash free area and picking up after your dog.

What makes you think that a piece of paper, will make a blind bit of difference ? when people cannot follow the very basics, when it comes to ownership.

[Dogsrawesome]

i didnt read everyones comments but maybe get rid of stupid owners or educate them either way works Cats should be desexed though unless your a breeder of course :D

[BJean]

Responsible dog ownership encompasses making informed decisions for what is best for your pet in conjunction with your vet. If you choose not to desex that doesnt make you less responsible.

Interesting that the vast majority of dogs in the Canberra dog pound are not desexed when mandatory desexing has been in that state for so long.

Pound dogs come from all sorts of homes for all sorts of reasons and sometimes people have to choose the lesser of two evils to survive.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then because I can't think of any circumstances where it would be appropriate not to desex, apart from the one I outlined in my earlier post. Or maybe where a rescued animal is already very old. I think it is unfair to leave a dog entire, with all its natural urges unfulfilled. Desexing helps to eliminate that problem. Perthaps you can outline some reasons why desexing of pets should be optional.

Bahaha

you don't happen to moonlight at the Cranbourne Pound hey?

lots of zealots there too

one of the worst pounds in Victoria

pffft

[BJean]

Spot on powerlegs, I thought it was fairly clear, stop the killings of unwanted animals.

The petition seems to be asking the RS to dig into their savings and run a large worthwhile desexing program.

Not force anyone to desex, or stop anyone breeding.

They have the funds, they really should be running more advertised voluntary neuter programs especially in the lower socioeconomic areas.

maybe if they want to stop the killing of unwanted animals

they should institute pound systems that work better.

ya know

actually WANT to give lost animals back to their owners

(nah ...)

[Curlybert]

Responsible dog ownership encompasses making informed decisions for what is best for your pet in conjunction with your vet. If you choose not to desex that doesnt make you less responsible.

Interesting that the vast majority of dogs in the Canberra dog pound are not desexed when mandatory desexing has been in that state for so long.

Pound dogs come from all sorts of homes for all sorts of reasons and sometimes people have to choose the lesser of two evils to survive.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then because I can't think of any circumstances where it would be appropriate not to desex, apart from the one I outlined in my earlier post. Or maybe where a rescued animal is already very old. I think it is unfair to leave a dog entire, with all its natural urges unfulfilled. Desexing helps to eliminate that problem. Perthaps you can outline some reasons why desexing of pets should be optional.

Bahaha

you don't happen to moonlight at the Cranbourne Pound hey?

lots of zealots there too

one of the worst pounds in Victoria

pffft

When you've stopped bahahaing and pfffting, please explain who's a zealot. Truly, I have no idea what you're on about.

[BJean]

Responsible dog ownership encompasses making informed decisions for what is best for your pet in conjunction with your vet. If you choose not to desex that doesnt make you less responsible.

Interesting that the vast majority of dogs in the Canberra dog pound are not desexed when mandatory desexing has been in that state for so long.

Pound dogs come from all sorts of homes for all sorts of reasons and sometimes people have to choose the lesser of two evils to survive.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then because I can't think of any circumstances where it would be appropriate not to desex, apart from the one I outlined in my earlier post. Or maybe where a rescued animal is already very old. I think it is unfair to leave a dog entire, with all its natural urges unfulfilled. Desexing helps to eliminate that problem. Perthaps you can outline some reasons why desexing of pets should be optional.

Bahaha

you don't happen to moonlight at the Cranbourne Pound hey?

lots of zealots there too

one of the worst pounds in Victoria

pffft

When you've stopped bahahaing and pfffting, please explain who's a zealot. Truly, I have no idea what you're on about.

usually I'd edit the bahaha

but since you've already quoted, I guess I'll have to leave it in.

anyway, on zealotry,

I resent when people's personal views, become the reasoning for mandatory requirements:

Responsible ownership encompasses desexing unless one is a reputable registered breeder

Having just negotiated my way through a mandatory desex situation with some no idea pound staff

whose knowledge and experience with dogs equates to their campaign network and personal belief system

I'm more than tired of social ideas being forced upon people.

I might have my own ideas about what I think are suitable dog breeds, pets etc

but I can still see they're my viewpoint only, and dont expect the rest of the community to embrace them or be forced to abide by them via legistlation.

At the end of the day, who made you the doyen of what encompasses a 'responsible' dog owner.

I don't like social engineering.

Edited April 18, 2011 by lilli

[Curlybert]

[quote name='lilli' date='18th Apr 2011 - 07:23 PM' post='52

Having just negotiated my way through a mandatory desex situation with some fkd up no idea pound staff

whose knowledge on dog health equates to their rescue network and personal belief system

I'm more than tired of social ideas being forced upon people.

I might have my own ideas about what I think are suitable dog breeds, pets etc

but I can still see they're my viewpoint only, and dont expect the rest of the community to embrace them or be forced to abide by them via legistlation.

At the end of the day, who made you the doyen of what encompasses a 'responsible' dog owner.

I don't like social engineering.

Aww, does Lilli need a hug? Sorry about your bad day. And I'm most flattered "to be a doyen of what encompasses a responsible pet owner". Thanks!

[BJean]

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At the end of the day, who made you the doyen of what encompasses a 'responsible' dog owner.

I don't like social engineering.

Aww, does Lilli need a hug? Sorry about your bad day. And I'm most flattered "to be a doyen of what encompasses a responsible pet owner". Thanks!

Nah, the dogs are all back home

and the fanatics cant touch them.

Well deserved hugs have already been sent out to the boys in blue,

so all good here.

[nikkid]

Great response and interesting findings out of calgary!!!

i agree 100%

After reading the petition I was turned off by wording/grammar etc. But I completely agree with the concept that desexing of pets should be the norm, and is unlikely to be achieved without subsidized spey/neuter for people with limited resources. . . and I think the RSPCA's cost/benefit ratio would be improved by spending more on carrots and sticks to increase the rate of desexing, and decreasing the numbers of BYB's and accidental litters. . . . without cutting into efforts to prohibit puppy farming.

If anyone wants evidence, I'd recommend studying Santa Cruz County, California, where desexing became mandatory decades ago . . .along with a system of legal permits for breeders and subsidized spey/neuter for people of limited means, bans on pet shop sale of mammals and a variety of other measures.

Ok I'll bite.

Santa Cruz is a very expensive upper income white left wing coastal community made up of left wing nanny state thinkers. A state which is bankrupt from being run as a total nanny state, where the government tells everybody everything about how to live. Dogs in animal shelters, would they even have any domestic animals to go into a shelter? Just kidding. I am sure the rich children of movie stars, big name lawyers, and far left activists would never take an unwanted animal to a shelter. They would have their vet put it to sleep and give PETA a very big donation to amend for their selfish human ways.

Oh did I forget to mention that Santa Cruz is loved by PETA with many PETA members and big donators living there or their children attending Uni there (second home for many of the rich and famous on the left coast). If visiting be sure to get the PETA Veg Eatery guide to Sana Cruz. PETA is also ingrained and very active in the Uni campus. They have wonderful support of the media in SC and California. Here is a recent award given to a young person in Sana Cruz by PETA. http://www.goodtimessantacruz.com/santa-cr...eta-award-.html

Thanks but no thanks, never want to live anywhere like Santa Cruz. I never want to see anywhere in Australia mirror Santa Cruz society.

Try looking at Calgary Canada if you want to see real reform concerning the welfare of animals and built on a system of respect and encouragement of pet owners. Their system is working and not by taking away everyone's right to own animals or by pushing far left ideas on to the public.

http://saveourdogs.net/2009/04/03/%E2%80%9...erica%E2%80%9D/

[BJean]

Please provide evidence that the quickest way to cut kill rates is to have a massive desexing program.

pandypam can't.

instead here's a typical scenario of why pammy's petition should not be signed:

http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=212800

[RottnBullies]

Spot on powerlegs, I thought it was fairly clear, stop the killings of unwanted animals.

The petition seems to be asking the RS to dig into their savings and run a large worthwhile desexing program.

Not force anyone to desex, or stop anyone breeding.

They have the funds, they really should be running more advertised voluntary neuter programs especially in the lower socioeconomic areas.

maybe if they want to stop the killing of unwanted animals

they should institute pound systems that work better.

ya know

actually WANT to give lost animals back to their owners

(nah ...)

One particular HORRID Vic pound springs to mind there, and I couldn't agree more lilli

[Blitza]

i see animal libs are at it again

im for desexing to, but we have right to choose to who want to be desexed. pet owners of pet dogs yes to prevent unwanted dogs on streets etc!