Mass Desexing Now, Rspca

[GeckoTree]

Perhaps the RSPCA should earbash local governments offering discounted desexing to all, our local council has for instance free registration for all pets that are desexed. It has as far as I am aware made a difference to numbers finding themselves dumped, their used to be many more litters of unwanted pups dumped at the pounds gate according to staff a while back.

[fuzzy82]

Most dogs in shelters are adults. I had a hard time finding a puppy when I wanted one (although admittedly it wasn't puppy season). The problem isn't too many animals, it's a lack of responsible ownership. Most dogs in shelters came from good homes, and were given up due to divorce, moving or work commitments. (Or just because the owner didn't bother training the dog and decided the badly behaved adult dog was too much work). They weren't picked up as strays on the street.

So there aren't too many animals, there are too many irresponsible owners.

[Curlybert]

Most dogs in shelters are adults. I had a hard time finding a puppy when I wanted one (although admittedly it wasn't puppy season). The problem isn't too many animals, it's a lack of responsible ownership. Most dogs in shelters came from good homes, and were given up due to divorce, moving or work commitments. (Or just because the owner didn't bother training the dog and decided the badly behaved adult dog was too much work). They weren't picked up as strays on the street.

So there aren't too many animals, there are too many irresponsible owners.

Responsible ownership encompasses desexing unless one is a reputable registered breeder. The vast majority of dogs ending up in the Canberra dog pound are not desexed. And it's a bit of a stretch to say that in your experience, pound dogs come from good homes, when in the next breath you say they were given up due to divorce, moving or work commitments. None of those are good reasons for abandoning a dog in my view - they should not be treated as dispensible commodities.

Edited April 6, 2011 by Curlybert

[Little Gifts]

Most dogs in shelters are adults. I had a hard time finding a puppy when I wanted one (although admittedly it wasn't puppy season). The problem isn't too many animals, it's a lack of responsible ownership. Most dogs in shelters came from good homes, and were given up due to divorce, moving or work commitments. (Or just because the owner didn't bother training the dog and decided the badly behaved adult dog was too much work). They weren't picked up as strays on the street.

So there aren't too many animals, there are too many irresponsible owners.

Sorry Fuzzy but if you were to go into the rescue forums you will see a very different picture. Dogs do not always come from good homes. There are many examples of neglected and abused animals in pounds. Many examples of dogs whose owners don't bother to come and spring them from the pound. Healthy rehomable dogs are put to sleep by pounds every day because a rescue group has nowhere to place them. There is a mad scamble by many rescuers right up until the last minute to save as many of these dogs as possible but the problem is always not having enough places (carers or temp kennelling) for them to go to. And there are always puppies around but a shelter isn't the best place for them - they tend to go in to foster care and are often not made available until they are old enough to have their breeds and personalities identified and so they can be desexed before rehoming.

The best place to find a rescue dog is more likely to be the Pet Rescue website than visiting a shelter.

[lappiemum]

I support low cost and accessable desexing of pet cats and dogs.

However, one point here. The vast majority of animals that end up in pounds are the products of a) commercial breeders (usually selling to petshops, but many now do their own direct to public marketing) and b) backyarders, who have either had a litter because they think it will land them a few extra $$ or because they were slack and their dog got to their bitch.

If you are desexing at the pound (and I did think that the majority of pounds desexed animals for rehoming, but maybe I'm wrong there) its kind of like shutting the proverbial gate AFTER that horse (dog/cat) has bolted. You need to address the desexing issue when the puppy or kitten is initially bought home - and with those who are selling these animals.

[Erny]

Bloody hell,

This is about the killing of unwanted animals!!, extinct????, hello.

GOBSMACKED

sign or dont.

This is about rounding up support for the RSPCA to encourage (enforce?) desexing of all undesexed domestic animals (dogs and cats, presumably).

"Sign or don't" would be an ignorant approach when there are reasonable questions that remain unanswered.

The most portent question being what has been asked here but yet remains unanswered :

Where is the RSPCA's evidence that mass desexing will reduce shelter numbers?

Surely, if the RSPCA is condoning, encouraging and/or even seeking to enforce this, some sort of research on statistics will have been done before they spend our hard-earned money on a venture such as this?

[MissMolly]

So the pounds are empty and there are no unwanted puppies, kittens or adults ?

No cross breds etiher ?

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I live in a county with 'mandatory' (with exceptions for breeders who register and provide annual vet clearance) desexing. It does help, especially because they have heavily subsidised spey/neuter programs. It'll cost me ~$30 to get my girl speyed.

I am all for desexing of pets. I think what we have to remember is that most of us here on DOL are responsible pet owners and don't allow our pets to breed will nilly because we are educated on being a responsible pet owner..

I think that desexing should be made cheaper for those that can not afford it as for them it is very simple to surrender unwanted kittens and pups to pounds and shelters and I agree that desexing animals would reduce the number of animals being euthanised every year, especially with regards to kittens..

Where did I say there was no unwanted pups, kitten, or adults or cross breeds in the pounds??

Most dogs in shelters are adults. I had a hard time finding a puppy when I wanted one (although admittedly it wasn't puppy season). The problem isn't too many animals, it's a lack of responsible ownership. Most dogs in shelters came from good homes, and were given up due to divorce, moving or work commitments. (Or just because the owner didn't bother training the dog and decided the badly behaved adult dog was too much work). They weren't picked up as strays on the street.So there aren't too many animals, there are too many irresponsible owners.

Sorry but a lot are strays off the street, most with details that are not up to day so owners can not be contacted.. And the problem is too many animals..

[Souff]

Bloody hell,

This is about the killing of unwanted animals!!, extinct????, hello.

GOBSMACKED :p

sign or dont.

I dont like your attitude, so it is a "Don't" from me.

However, should you choose to re-write your petition wording and start talking about the WIDESPREAD SUBSIDISED DESEXING of crossbred dogs and any dogs that are not going to be used for breeding, then I might be a little bit more interested.

But ...... do not for one minute think that there will be a huge reduction of animals given over to pounds and rescue organisations.

Humans will still take the easy way out to get rid of a dog they no longer want. Entire or desexed. It doesn't matter to them when they decide the dog has to go.

Many think that rescue groups are there to assist them with the easy way out, so they don't have to feel bad about having a dog put down.

The dog they no longer want will get another chance somewhere else, they really believe that.

Don't believe me? That is your choice.

Have another think about it ..... and take a deep breath before you post next time.

Souff

[sandgrubber]

After reading the petition I was turned off by wording/grammar etc. But I completely agree with the concept that desexing of pets should be the norm, and is unlikely to be achieved without subsidized spey/neuter for people with limited resources. . . and I think the RSPCA's cost/benefit ratio would be improved by spending more on carrots and sticks to increase the rate of desexing, and decreasing the numbers of BYB's and accidental litters. . . . without cutting into efforts to prohibit puppy farming.

If anyone wants evidence, I'd recommend studying Santa Cruz County, California, where desexing became mandatory decades ago . . .along with a system of legal permits for breeders and subsidized spey/neuter for people of limited means, bans on pet shop sale of mammals and a variety of other measures.

Bloody hell,

This is about the killing of unwanted animals!!, extinct????, hello.

GOBSMACKED :p

sign or dont.

This is about rounding up support for the RSPCA to encourage (enforce?) desexing of all undesexed domestic animals (dogs and cats, presumably).

"Sign or don't" would be an ignorant approach when there are reasonable questions that remain unanswered.

The most portent question being what has been asked here but yet remains unanswered :

Where is the RSPCA's evidence that mass desexing will reduce shelter numbers?

Surely, if the RSPCA is condoning, encouraging and/or even seeking to enforce this, some sort of research on statistics will have been done before they spend our hard-earned money on a venture such as this?

Edited April 6, 2011 by sandgrubber

[shortstep]

After reading the petition I was turned off by wording/grammar etc. But I completely agree with the concept that desexing of pets should be the norm, and is unlikely to be achieved without subsidized spey/neuter for people with limited resources. . . and I think the RSPCA's cost/benefit ratio would be improved by spending more on carrots and sticks to increase the rate of desexing, and decreasing the numbers of BYB's and accidental litters. . . . without cutting into efforts to prohibit puppy farming.

If anyone wants evidence, I'd recommend studying Santa Cruz County, California, where desexing became mandatory decades ago . . .along with a system of legal permits for breeders and subsidized spey/neuter for people of limited means, bans on pet shop sale of mammals and a variety of other measures.

Ok I'll bite.

Santa Cruz is a very expensive upper income white left wing coastal community made up of left wing nanny state thinkers. A state which is bankrupt from being run as a total nanny state, where the government tells everybody everything about how to live. Dogs in animal shelters, would they even have any domestic animals to go into a shelter? Just kidding. I am sure the rich children of movie stars, big name lawyers, and far left activists would never take an unwanted animal to a shelter. They would have their vet put it to sleep and give PETA a very big donation to amend for their selfish human ways.

Oh did I forget to mention that Santa Cruz is loved by PETA with many PETA members and big donators living there or their children attending Uni there (second home for many of the rich and famous on the left coast). If visiting be sure to get the PETA Veg Eatery guide to Sana Cruz. PETA is also ingrained and very active in the Uni campus. They have wonderful support of the media in SC and California. Here is a recent award given to a young person in Sana Cruz by PETA. http://www.goodtimessantacruz.com/santa-cr...eta-award-.html

Thanks but no thanks, never want to live anywhere like Santa Cruz. I never want to see anywhere in Australia mirror Santa Cruz society.

Try looking at Calgary Canada if you want to see real reform concerning the welfare of animals and built on a system of respect and encouragement of pet owners. Their system is working and not by taking away everyone's right to own animals or by pushing far left ideas on to the public.

http://saveourdogs.net/2009/04/03/%E2%80%9...erica%E2%80%9D/

Edited April 6, 2011 by shortstep

[Curlybert]

Ok I'll bite.

Santa Cruz is a very expensive upper income white left wing coastal community made up of left wing nanny state thinkers. A state which is bankrupt from being run as a total nanny state, where the government tells everybody everything about how to live. Dogs in animal shelters, would they even have any domestic animals to go into a shelter? Just kidding. I am sure the rich children of movie stars, big name lawyers, and far left activists would never take an unwanted animal to a shelter. They would have their vet put it to sleep and give PETA a very big donation to amend for their selfish human ways.

Oh did I forget to mention that Santa Cruz is loved by PETA with many PETA members and big donators living there or their children attending Uni there (second home for many of the rich and famous on the left coast). If visiting be sure to get the PETA Veg Eatery guide to Sana Cruz. PETA is also ingrained and very active in the Uni campus. They have wonderful support of the media in SC and California. Here is a recent award given to a young person in Sana Cruz by PETA.

Thanks but no thanks, never want to live anywhere like Santa Cruz. I never want to see anywhere in Australia mirror Santa Cruz society.

Deary me Shortstep - to call anywhere in the US "left wing" is simply ridiculous. And your very adamant view about Santa Cruz seems to be based solely on PETA's presence there. There is far more to being politically 'of the left' than merely having a high profile animal rights group in the neighbourhood.

[poodlefan]

Ok I'll bite.

Santa Cruz is a very expensive upper income white left wing coastal community made up of left wing nanny state thinkers. A state which is bankrupt from being run as a total nanny state, where the government tells everybody everything about how to live. Dogs in animal shelters, would they even have any domestic animals to go into a shelter? Just kidding. I am sure the rich children of movie stars, big name lawyers, and far left activists would never take an unwanted animal to a shelter. They would have their vet put it to sleep and give PETA a very big donation to amend for their selfish human ways.

Oh did I forget to mention that Santa Cruz is loved by PETA with many PETA members and big donators living there or their children attending Uni there (second home for many of the rich and famous on the left coast). If visiting be sure to get the PETA Veg Eatery guide to Sana Cruz. PETA is also ingrained and very active in the Uni campus. They have wonderful support of the media in SC and California. Here is a recent award given to a young person in Sana Cruz by PETA.

Thanks but no thanks, never want to live anywhere like Santa Cruz. I never want to see anywhere in Australia mirror Santa Cruz society.

Deary me Shortstep - to call anywhere in the US "left wing" is simply ridiculous. And your very adamant view about Santa Cruz seems to be based solely on PETA's presence there. There is far more to being politically 'of the left' than merely having a high profile animal rights group in the neighbourhood.

Voting Democrat and living in California is a good start though. :p

[shortstep]

Ok I'll bite.

Santa Cruz is a very expensive upper income white left wing coastal community made up of left wing nanny state thinkers. A state which is bankrupt from being run as a total nanny state, where the government tells everybody everything about how to live. Dogs in animal shelters, would they even have any domestic animals to go into a shelter? Just kidding. I am sure the rich children of movie stars, big name lawyers, and far left activists would never take an unwanted animal to a shelter. They would have their vet put it to sleep and give PETA a very big donation to amend for their selfish human ways.

Oh did I forget to mention that Santa Cruz is loved by PETA with many PETA members and big donators living there or their children attending Uni there (second home for many of the rich and famous on the left coast). If visiting be sure to get the PETA Veg Eatery guide to Sana Cruz. PETA is also ingrained and very active in the Uni campus. They have wonderful support of the media in SC and California. Here is a recent award given to a young person in Sana Cruz by PETA.

Thanks but no thanks, never want to live anywhere like Santa Cruz. I never want to see anywhere in Australia mirror Santa Cruz society.

Deary me Shortstep - to call anywhere in the US "left wing" is simply ridiculous. And your very adamant view about Santa Cruz seems to be based solely on PETA's presence there. There is far more to being politically 'of the left' than merely having a high profile animal rights group in the neighbourhood.

I grew up in California, lived on the left coast for 30 years (correct that 45 years), educated in the Cal state uni system. I have family that live in Santa Cruz.

What are your personal qualifications to know about Santa Cruz?

Edited April 6, 2011 by shortstep

[Curlybert]

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Deary me Shortstep - to call anywhere in the US "left wing" is simply ridiculous. And your very adamant view about Santa Cruz seems to be based solely on PETA's presence there. There is far more to being politically 'of the left' than merely having a high profile animal rights group in the neighbourhood.

I grew up in California, lived on the left coast for 30 years (correct that 45 years), educated in the Cal state uni system. I have family that live in Santa Cruz.

What are your personal qualifications to know about Santa Cruz?

None but hey, I now know a lot about yours, or more specifically, your politics! Most illuminating!

Edited April 6, 2011 by Curlybert

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

More importantly, I have very left leaning politics and I do not support PETA and I do not support us having our lives ruled by laws, nor do I support the mandatory desexing of animals nor do i support the current attempts to restrict me as a dog owner nor the restrictions on dog breeders.

Left politics and PETA do not go hand in hand :D

[poodlefan]

More importantly, I have very left leaning politics and I do not support PETA and I do not support us having our lives ruled by laws, nor do I support the mandatory desexing of animals nor do i support the current attempts to restrict me as a dog owner nor the restrictions on dog breeders.

Left politics and PETA do not go hand in hand :p

I used to think I was a Socialist. Then I studied politics and concluded that I wasn't. ;)

Left and right are pretty much obsolete terms with regard to mainstream politics IMO. In a world of constant voter opinion polling and the race for the most mass appeal, all we're left (no pun intended) with now is different flavours of vanilla and mass voter apathy. Its like the two men and the donkey story - in trying to please everyone, you end up thrilling no one.

Come the revolution, I shall solve all of this. :D Once the cyclists have been sent off for re-education, I'll sort out dog welfare!!!

Edited April 6, 2011 by poodlefan

[shortstep]

[quote name='shortstep' post='5242101' d

Deary me Shortstep - to call anywhere in the US "left wing" is simply ridiculous. And your very adamant view about Santa Cruz seems to be based solely on PETA's presence there. There is far more to being politically 'of the left' than merely having a high profile animal rights group in the neighbourhood.

I grew up in California, lived on the left coast for 30 years (correct that 45 years), educated in the Cal state uni system. I have family that live in Santa Cruz.

What are your personal qualifications to know about Santa Cruz?

None but hey, I now know a lot about yours, or more specifically, your politics! Most illuminating!

LOL I guess you needed a brick to hit you in the head...LOL But now that you know, please don't tell anyone that I am not leaning to the left politically, it is a secret.

Very illuminating indeed. LOL

[Jaxx'sBuddy]

More importantly, I have very left leaning politics and I do not support PETA and I do not support us having our lives ruled by laws, nor do I support the mandatory desexing of animals nor do i support the current attempts to restrict me as a dog owner nor the restrictions on dog breeders.

Left politics and PETA do not go hand in hand

I used to think I was a Socialist. Then I studied politics and concluded that I wasn't.

Left and right are pretty much obsolete terms with regard to mainstream politics IMO. In a world of constant voter opinion polling and the race for the most mass appeal, all we're left (no pun intended) with now is different flavours of vanilla and mass voter apathy. Its like the two men and the donkey story - in trying to please everyone, you end up thrilling no one.

Come the revolution, I shall solve all of this. :p Once the cyclists have been sent off for re-education, I'll sort out dog welfare!!!

I so totally agree with you ;) :D

I used to really like politics but now I do not like the sameness from all parties. We now live in a world where 5%-10% of voters (swinging ones) call all the shots..so much for democracy.

[shortstep]

More importantly, I have very left leaning politics and I do not support PETA and I do not support us having our lives ruled by laws, nor do I support the mandatory desexing of animals nor do i support the current attempts to restrict me as a dog owner nor the restrictions on dog breeders.

Left politics and PETA do not go hand in hand :p

I used to think I was a Socialist. Then I studied politics and concluded that I wasn't. ;)

Left and right are pretty much obsolete terms with regard to mainstream politics IMO. In a world of constant voter opinion polling and the race for the most mass appeal, all we're left (no pun intended) with now is different flavours of vanilla and mass voter apathy. Its like the two men and the donkey story - in trying to please everyone, you end up thrilling no one.

Come the revolution, I shall solve all of this. :D Once the cyclists have been sent off for re-education, I'll sort out dog welfare!!!

As to PETA, they certainly are not to the right.

I heard comment just a few days ago that Labor was now more conservative than they were liberal.

Polls, no kidding, see how they run, to the the middle!

You will get my vote Poodlefan!

[poodlefan]

You will get my vote Poodlefan!

You won't need to vote for me.. :D