Bjelkier Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if Puppy Farmers get a hold of the idea and just start breeding tiny sibes, cross a Sibe with a JS and hey presto, instant Klee Kai Honnestly I really don't like them at all, whats wrong with a normal sized Sibe? Oh well, whatever makes you happy I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskedaway Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Well I guess unless someone else imports some unrelated dogs or she does this herself in the near future, the breed is screwed here anyway. Especially seeing as there were only males in that litter - she could have bred them to her male if there'd been some females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I haven't heard great things about their temperaments, either. Sooooo not my cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussienot Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 They end up in rescues a lot in the US. Most pet owners can't deal with the temperament issues. It's the idea of a miniature husky that appeals, I guess. I wish the media would stop giving profit driven bybs free publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) They end up in rescues a lot in the US. Most pet owners can't deal with the temperament issues. It's the idea of a miniature husky that appeals, I guess. I wish the media would stop giving profit driven bybs free publicity. Can you show me the data that shows these dogs showing up in rescue? Also the data that shows the reason they were turned into rescue was temperament? Edited March 29, 2011 by shortstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) The breeder in the US probably isn't entirely ethical either, knowing they were to be shipped to a country with no hope of recognition.And surely must have known the importer's intention to sell them all for a quick buck. ETA - Actually the breeder is probably doing everyone a favour by selling all the pups... no chance of a brother/sister, father/daughter or mother/son mating.... She is also selling them entire......mmm how long till Klee Kai crosses are being sold? Give it a year and the puppy buyers may try to recoup the ridiculous cost of their first dog. Actually if you follow population genetics at all, she should place all the pup with the potential for breeding them. In order to build up the bred in Australia they will need dogs to breed eh? Just because you seem to really hate this breed, that is not a good reason to think she is wrong to attempt to get the breed going in Australia. Sometimes I really wonder how people think breeds get introduced and developed on to an isolated island like OZ. Edited March 29, 2011 by shortstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 It says the bitch is a Grand Ch. can they actually be shown? They are registered in UKC and yes they have dog show and they have GrandCham status. Most developing breeds in the US get there start in UKC, many of which will also fight to prevent recognition into AKC as they feel it will ruin their breed. Their web site says they have made application to the AKC for acceptence. Should we look through the AKC roster to see which breeds in the US started in UKC? All the coon hounds you have in ANKC, plus I think a few more in the AKC. American Eskimo started in UKC, and now also in AKC. UKC Parent club for the American Rat terrier, now also in AKC. I just don't have time to look up more, but many many breeds now in AKC and in FCI formed their breed first in the UKC. Seems she is following the proven and tested method of developing a breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) Her website is here Southern Cross Klee Kai.Personally, I think they are a bit weird looking and not my cup of tea. Whatever floats your boat I guess but when you seem to only be breeding for the $'s and not keeping anything for yourself, yeah, you have to wonder All I see is someone who is very smitten with these dogs and has gone to great personally expence to bring 2 of them Australia. Can you show me why you say she is only breeding them for money? What exactly on her web site indicates that? Why would she keep 4 male pups, she can not breed them back their mother (well lets hope she would nto do that). I would also think the is retaining the right to breed back to them later. But that will mena she will have to import another bitch first eh. Maybe before accusing her, you shoul email her and ask her what exatly whtat the heck she is doing. Tell her you want to know as you are discussing her motives for importing these dogs and selling the 4 male pups on a public chat group and want to get the facts. Edited March 29, 2011 by shortstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 It says the bitch is a Grand Ch. can they actually be shown? They are registered in UKC and yes they have dog show and they have GrandCham status. Most developing breeds in the US get there start in UKC, many of which will also fight to prevent recognition into AKC as they feel it will ruin their breed. Their web site says they have made application to the AKC for acceptence. Should we look through the AKC roster to see which breeds in the US started in UKC? All the coon hounds you have in ANKC, plus I think a few more in the AKC. American Eskimo started in UKC, and now also in AKC. UKC Parent club for the American Rat terrier, now also in AKC. I just don't have time to look up more, but many many breeds now in AKC and in FCI formed their breed first in the UKC. Seems she is following the proven and tested method of developing a breed. Just a segue, I'm curious to know how many breeds are recognised by the FCI & UKC against the numbers recognised by the ANKC & AKC. I believe there's loads more recognised by the FCI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 It says the bitch is a Grand Ch. can they actually be shown? They are registered in UKC and yes they have dog show and they have GrandCham status. Most developing breeds in the US get there start in UKC, many of which will also fight to prevent recognition into AKC as they feel it will ruin their breed. Their web site says they have made application to the AKC for acceptence. Should we look through the AKC roster to see which breeds in the US started in UKC? All the coon hounds you have in ANKC, plus I think a few more in the AKC. American Eskimo started in UKC, and now also in AKC. UKC Parent club for the American Rat terrier, now also in AKC. I just don't have time to look up more, but many many breeds now in AKC and in FCI formed their breed first in the UKC. Seems she is following the proven and tested method of developing a breed. Just a segue, I'm curious to know how many breeds are recognised by the FCI & UKC against the numbers recognised by the ANKC & AKC. I believe there's loads more recognised by the FCI? Yes do look that up and let us know. There are lots of registires in the world, and ANKC is only one. Thank goodness for that too! Or else all we would have is the ANKC breeds and the world have far fewer lovely breeds to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paptacular! Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 The breeder in the US probably isn't entirely ethical either, knowing they were to be shipped to a country with no hope of recognition.And surely must have known the importer's intention to sell them all for a quick buck. ETA - Actually the breeder is probably doing everyone a favour by selling all the pups... no chance of a brother/sister, father/daughter or mother/son mating.... She is also selling them entire......mmm how long till Klee Kai crosses are being sold? Give it a year and the puppy buyers may try to recoup the ridiculous cost of their first dog. Actually if you follow population genetics at all, she should place all the pup with the potential for breeding them. In order to build up the bred in Australia they will need dogs to breed eh? Who says she wants to build up the breed in this country? Nothing in the article to state that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I don't like it how she advertises them as miniature huskies on her website. It has a bit of a designer dog ring to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 The breeder in the US probably isn't entirely ethical either, knowing they were to be shipped to a country with no hope of recognition.And surely must have known the importer's intention to sell them all for a quick buck. ETA - Actually the breeder is probably doing everyone a favour by selling all the pups... no chance of a brother/sister, father/daughter or mother/son mating.... She is also selling them entire......mmm how long till Klee Kai crosses are being sold? Give it a year and the puppy buyers may try to recoup the ridiculous cost of their first dog. Actually if you follow population genetics at all, she should place all the pup with the potential for breeding them. In order to build up the bred in Australia they will need dogs to breed eh? Who says she wants to build up the breed in this country? Nothing in the article to state that. Who says she doesn't? Nothing states she does not want to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I don't like it how she advertises them as miniature huskies on her website. It has a bit of a designer dog ring to me. All dog breeds are designer breeds, you just were not there trying to smack them down at the time the breed was being developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Just a segue, I'm curious to know how many breeds are recognised by the FCI & UKC against the numbers recognised by the ANKC & AKC. I believe there's loads more recognised by the FCI? Yes do look that up and let us know. There are lots of registires in the world, and ANKC is only one. Thank goodness for that too! Or else all we would have is the ANKC breeds and the world have far fewer lovely breeds to choose from. FCI recognises 341 breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idigadog Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Maybe before accusing her, you shoul email her and ask her what exatly whtat the heck she is doing. Tell her you want to know as you are discussing her motives for importing these dogs and selling the 4 male pups on a public chat group and want to get the facts. How do you know I haven't done that? Sorry shortstep, but selling unregistered pups for $3000 is ludicrous. Saying in the media that you will be breeding your bitch every 12 months is unethical. Do you not agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) Maybe before accusing her, you shoul email her and ask her what exatly whtat the heck she is doing. Tell her you want to know as you are discussing her motives for importing these dogs and selling the 4 male pups on a public chat group and want to get the facts. How do you know I haven't done that? Sorry shortstep, but selling unregistered pups for $3000 is ludicrous. Saying in the media that you will be breeding your bitch every 12 months is unethical. Do you not agree? The dogs are registered in UKC. I am not judging her ethics, you seem to be doing enough of that for both of us. I think it just ticks off ANKC breeders she can sell her pups for 3000.00. LOL BTW I have spent more than 3000 on a dog (not registered in ANKC), and would do it again in heart beat if I could. So what. Edited March 29, 2011 by shortstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 What she said and what was printed could be poles apart too. The media repuation for accuracy in reporting is questionable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortstep Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 What she said and what was printed could be poles apart too. The media repuation for accuracy in reporting is questionable at best. No kidding, but why let that get in a way of a feeding freezie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 A well nourished, fit, healthy bitch can easily manage to whelp a litter yearly with no problems, I don't understand the issue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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