I Am Never Walking My Dogs In This Neighbourhood Again.

[~Shepherd~]

why didnt you give the dogs to your mum and help the poor old man and baby?

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs.

I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist.

why didnt you give the dogs to your mum and help the poor old man and baby?

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs.

I consider human life, especially a baby more important than my animals. A BABY face planting the concrete in a pram with heightened dog behaviour surrounding it would turn on my overdrive ESPECIALLY when there were 2 adults with 2 dogs on lead who could have worked out a plan instead of squealing off down the road. If your mother was fit enough to run off, maybe you should have squealed off home and sent your mother to assist.

geez it's so easy to judge someone else when you haven't been in that position yourself. I'm just glad opinions are just that, hopefully the OP knows this as well.

I have been in worse

That's all well and good for you to say, but you weren't in this situation. Why should you have expected her to help when there were already half a dozen other neighbours rushing to help? As it was told, the baby "faceplanted" after people were already coming to help. What more could she have done? Better to clear yourself of the area if there's nothing more you can do. Especially (emphasis on this) when she said that one of the staffies was coming after her dogs. To hell with human life when DOG-AGGRESSIVE dogs are coming after your dog. The baby probably only got scratches, whereas her dogs could have been killed.

Putting you in this situation, you would have gone over with your dogs, and only exacerbated the problem. She did the right thing that was called for this situation, so don't you put her down for it.

My god Chewy but you are so judgemental. You're not perfect (nobody is) so please stop trying to make the OP feel guilty for her actions in a situation where she acted appropriately.

I wouldn't have done anything differently and I don't give a rat's behind as to how that makes you feel. Protecting myself and my dogs is far more important to me than some random stranger and a baby. So boo-hoo for me. I'm a coward and you're super-brave and awesome. Go find another thread to trumpet your superiority, eh?

Nice overview of your psyche lilysmum, and thankyou for attempting to share mine. You got mine a little bit wrong though.

[*Avanti*]

I don't think the OP did anything wrong.

Neither do I. How scary for you Jimmay, glad you and your dogs are ok. I hope the others are too, in that situation I would have done the same I think.

ETA For goodness sake Chewbacca would it be possible to cut down the multi-quotes on top of multi-quotes please? We don't need so many repeats of the same dialogue.

Edited March 20, 2011 by LabTested

[Baby Dragon]

I think having more dogs around there to get tangled in the situation could have made things potentially a lot worse. It sounds like it was very sensible to get the dogs out of there and then go back to help, especially as it was only a few houses away and there were already so many people helping.

Jimmay, I'm so sorry that happened and good on you for going back and doing what you could, despite being (understandably) so shaken up.

[Dog_Horse_Girl]

Chewy - you are ridiculous.

Just because I place my own safety and that of my dogs above complete strangers does not make me any less of a human than you.

You hounded the OP when clearly you had no right to question her motives or actions. None of us have the right to judge in a situation like this. The OP was seeking support, not condemnation and I don't care what you think of my "psyche" as you put it. And BTW I also don't give a rat's behind as to whether or not I "got [yours] a little bit wrong".

You come on strong and then magically back off when others point out the error of your ways. You're not interested in motives here; you just want to point out that you believe the weakness and wrongness of another's actions are not acceptable to you and that you are far superior when you weren't there and it's all hypothetical for everyone EXCEPT the OP.

This is not the first thread in which you have asserted such a position and have been asked to tone it down by other posters. Perhaps you need to take a giant backward step and realise that just because you *think* you would act a certain way, does not mean that any other actions performed by others are wrong. They just do things differently to what you *say* you would do. Unless you have been in the same situation, I don't think you have the right to be so pedantic about how wrong the OP's actions were to not help complete strangers when plenty of others were on the scene and unencumbered by their own dogs.

Oh, if only we were all as perfect as you think you are!

And think whatever you like of my response. As if it matters to me.

[~Shepherd~]

I think having more dogs around there to get tangled in the situation could have made things potentially a lot worse. It sounds like it was very sensible to get the dogs out of there and then go back to help, especially as it was only a few houses away and there were already so many people helping.

Jimmay, I'm so sorry that happened and good on you for going back and doing what you could, despite being (understandably) so shaken up.

There were 2 adults observing the incident. They were first on the scene. The dogs would have been safe if handed over to one of the adult observers. Both adults screamed and ran from the situation.

[Dog_Horse_Girl]

I think having more dogs around there to get tangled in the situation could have made things potentially a lot worse. It sounds like it was very sensible to get the dogs out of there and then go back to help, especially as it was only a few houses away and there were already so many people helping.

Jimmay, I'm so sorry that happened and good on you for going back and doing what you could, despite being (understandably) so shaken up.

There were 2 adults observing the incident. They were first on the scene. The dogs would have been safe if handed over to one of the adult observers. Both adults screamed and ran from the situation.

Get over it Chewy. You weren't there. Other people were who were actually in a position to help whereas the OP was not.

[~Shepherd~]

Chewy - you are ridiculous.

Just because I place my own safety and that of my dogs above complete strangers does not make me any less of a human than you.

You hounded the OP when clearly you had no right to question her motives or actions. None of us have the right to judge in a situation like this. The OP was seeking support, not condemnation and I don't care what you think of my "psyche" as you put it. And BTW I also don't give a rat's behind as to whether or not I "got [yours] a little bit wrong".

You come on strong and then magically back off when others point out the error of your ways. You're not interested in motives here; you just want to point out that you believe the weakness and wrongness of another's actions are not acceptable to you and that you are far superior when you weren't there and it's all hypothetical for everyone EXCEPT the OP.

This is not the first thread in which you have asserted such a position and have been asked to tone it down by other posters. Perhaps you need to take a giant backward step and realise that just because you *think* you would act a certain way, does not mean that any other actions performed by others are wrong. They just do things differently to what you *say* you would do. Unless you have been in the same situation, I don't think you have the right to be so pedantic about how wrong the OP's actions were to not help complete strangers when plenty of others were on the scene and unencumbered by their own dogs.

Oh, if only we were all as perfect as you think you are!

And think whatever you like of my response. As if it matters to me.

I have a right to ask questions to the OP. I havent called them names or intentionally insulted them. I am interested in topics like these. How is the job hunting going?

[Rehnagaede]

My feeling is that it is not the OPs actions, given that there were plenty of people coming help, but her choice of words. My dogs safety is never more important than a human life if there is no other choice or no other help BUT if there is ample help for the human then I will remove my dogs to safety.

Those staffies never jumped out the window to attack the baby though. They jumped out to have a go at the dog. It was just a mishap that the carriage got knocked over. As I said before, if there were dog-aggressive dogs around, wouldn't your dogs be your highest priority? Her words clearly enunciated what the situation prescribed, which was for her to get her dogs the hell away from those staffies. Therefore, her choice of words were perfectly fine and your statement is invalid because of the fact that there were other people around to help.

No it isn't as the baby was on the ground and possibly in danger of being caught uo in the attack etc and intially the man knocked out. My response was in reply to these words

why didnt you give the dogs to your mum and help the poor old man and baby?

My Mum would not have been strong enough to hold Tyson... My mum tried to walk over to the man whilst still having Pixie on lead with her! I yelled at her to get back and come to me and by that time there were more than enough people there trying to control the situation. I'm sorry but my number one priority is protecting my own dogs.

If the OP had worded the post slightly differently it would have made a difference to peoples responses.

I don't think the OP did anything wrong.

What part of other people around to help don't you understand? And what part of dog-aggressive don't you understand?

People's responses will always have the ups and downs of the original post. No matter what you say SOMEONE is going to pick at it. I'm picking at yours because you're not looking at the description properly.

I commend you on the fact that you don't think the OP did anything wrong, but I don't commend you for picking at the wording when there isn't anything wrong with it.

As reference, you should look at:

You need to realise, all that I described happened within a couple of seconds, it's hard for me to try and describe every fine detail as it was all happening at once. The mans family were walking a few steps ahead of him, so they were able to run over straight away when they heard us yell out, as did a few neighbours. At some point the people that owned the dogs must have stopped their car and run over (which must have been when the second dog got out). They were all trying to catch the staffies which were weaving around which caused the pram to fall forward. I realised since they were trying to get the swf away from the staffies that my dogs would have been the next target if I were to stick around, and I was right because as I was running half way up the street one of the staffies had started coming after us. It's lucky I left when I did or the situation could have potentially been a lot worse.

[_PL_]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing especially for people who weren't there.

Jimmay: Personally despite everything I know about what you should do in that situation and what I hope I would do....I probably still would have turned tail and run like hell. And never gone back to that street.

[Jimmay]

Chewy - you are ridiculous.

Just because I place my own safety and that of my dogs above complete strangers does not make me any less of a human than you.

You hounded the OP when clearly you had no right to question her motives or actions. None of us have the right to judge in a situation like this. The OP was seeking support, not condemnation and I don't care what you think of my "psyche" as you put it. And BTW I also don't give a rat's behind as to whether or not I "got [yours] a little bit wrong".

You come on strong and then magically back off when others point out the error of your ways. You're not interested in motives here; you just want to point out that you believe the weakness and wrongness of another's actions are not acceptable to you and that you are far superior when you weren't there and it's all hypothetical for everyone EXCEPT the OP.

This is not the first thread in which you have asserted such a position and have been asked to tone it down by other posters. Perhaps you need to take a giant backward step and realise that just because you *think* you would act a certain way, does not mean that any other actions performed by others are wrong. They just do things differently to what you *say* you would do. Unless you have been in the same situation, I don't think you have the right to be so pedantic about how wrong the OP's actions were to not help complete strangers when plenty of others were on the scene and unencumbered by their own dogs.

Oh, if only we were all as perfect as you think you are!

And think whatever you like of my response. As if it matters to me.

I have a right to ask questions to the OP. I havent called them names or intentionally insulted them. I am interested in topics like these. How is the job hunting going?

Oh yes, calling me a squealing idiot isn't insulting at all. You never questioned me further until after you made a point of how wrong I was and how right you are, and you're kidding yourself from the description you made about what you would have done in that situation. I'm sorry to say but your perception of what happened is so ridiculous it's laughable, the man hit the dog with an iron bar and it didn't even feel it, but you seem to think you could have kicked the dog once and saved the day whilst your dogs proceeded to remain in a perfect sit say, whilst somehow not being targeted by two the dog-aggressive dogs that were moving too fast for TEN people to be able to catch, right... But anyways! Since you seem to think you know everything I don't really think there's any point in me trying to explain myself any further to you.

[nightgrace6]

What if one suffers from misanthropy? If there were a lot of other people (childless and dogless) on the scene then why are we expecting the op to have done more than she did..she is completely justified and I would've done the same thing.. If were to "shame" anyone it is the lady who let her dogs escape from the car.. Anything can happen walking down the street it was wrong place at the wrong time for the lot of them.

[nightgrace6]

What I don't understand is why dog lovers seem to tear each other apart in this forum.. There are few of us in society we should be helping each other and the thing is its not constructive criticism most of the time here, it outright mean what some people feel that can say over the internet but in a place where one shares stories about their dogs etc good and bad to be shot down so rudely, there won't be anyone left that wants to post and our "community" will be shot to shit..

[Odin-Genie]

Protecting myself and my dogs is far more important to me than some random stranger and a baby.

My sentiments exactly!! I feel seriously annoyed by those who keep saying human life should come first. They don't. I would always save my dogs before a random stranger, whatever be the age. Because my dogs are far more precious to me than a stranger. And I see nothing ethically wrong with that. when I adopted my dogs, to me it was a promise to look after them, cherish them and keep them safe. I owe no such thing to random strangers. Yes, i'll help strangers, but only after ensuring those I care for (animals included) are safe.

Well done to the OP. Your reactions were right.

[nightgrace6]

And if it were a human trying to snatch the baby would you expect the op to go and help? Haha no way! On another note I wonder if the dog owner got fined or if the dogs got destroyed???

[meluchja]

I wouldn't waste any more time trying to reason with this person, who obviously hasn't a clue.

[frenzied1]

That would have been terrifying, i hope all involved are recovering OK.

[~Anne~]

I must admit to sometimes feeling nervous when I take my guys for a walk. It would be easier if I only had one dog, but with 3 it would be hard to keep comtrol of them and also ward off an attacking dog in this type of scenario.

Oh my god, how awful

Why can't people restrain their dogs in cars?

In NSW, it is now illegal not to have them restrained thankfully, although I would say that compliance of this law seems very low.

[Kirislin]

If only Chewy had been there to save the day. Superman music playing in background.

[huga]

I must admit to sometimes feeling nervous when I take my guys for a walk. It would be easier if I only had one dog, but with 3 it would be hard to keep comtrol of them and also ward off an attacking dog in this type of scenario.

Oh my god, how awful

Why can't people restrain their dogs in cars?

In NSW, it is now illegal not to have them restrained thankfully, although I would say that compliance of this law seems very low.

I'd say compliance is pretty low in QLD too.

I thought of this thread when I was walking my guys this morning and a giant crossbreed was halfway out the window of a passing car, barking at us Scary stuff. I hope everyone involved is ok.

[Bluefairy]

Where these dogs reported?

OP I am sorry this had to happen, its just a shame Chewy wasn't there in their superhuman outfit to save the day but we can't have everything can we I would have done the same thing as you, taken the dogs home and come back.

BF