piperspal Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/barking...m-1226021308492 Now I think they have gone too far, they're dogs, for crying out loud, barking is what they do. For some of us its the reason we have them, as a deterrant to coming in the yard. However mine (AFAIK) would not b e considered a problem, in that they are walked every day, well socialised and shut up when told to. If they dont, I know something is seriously up in the street and will go and investigate. Edited March 14, 2011 by piperspal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 yes, I heard that on the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly_Louise Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Wow... that is very harsh. And yet, I have neighbours and their teenage/adult kids (who have the capability to understand and should know better) who are a total menace to our community, and nothing can be done about them apparently (advised by police AND council). Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgrace6 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just reading the comments of some inconsiderate **%&^s makes me want to hunt them down seeing as I am in Adelaide If my council brings this into effect I am moving I swear... What about screaming children and babies and people that have loud music on all night? what about more focus or help with training especially for the elderly that cannot do as much as they used to with dogs.. That being said people that do not have enough time for their dogs probably shouldn't own them but geeez this *could be* legislation is completely out of line! Might have to research the Constitution and see if it could become Commonwealth law... Would be keen to get a petition going if it goes ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie P Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just reading the comments of some inconsiderate **%&^s makes me want to hunt them down seeing as I am in Adelaide If my council brings this into effect I am moving I swear...What about screaming children and babies and people that have loud music on all night? what about more focus or help with training especially for the elderly that cannot do as much as they used to with dogs.. That being said people that do not have enough time for their dogs probably shouldn't own them but geeez this *could be* legislation is completely out of line! Might have to research the Constitution and see if it could become Commonwealth law... Would be keen to get a petition going if it goes ahead. +1 Absolutely ridiculous. We have a nusience barker next door but we know they are working hard on him. Sure it can be annoying, but you zone out after a while. Some people have too much time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piperspal Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 I would rather they put thier money and resources into dealing with the hoons that come around at ungodly hours doing burnouts, I find them more annoying than barking dogs, as well as more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 So I guess I won't be looking for a job in Adelaide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keira&Phoenix Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Just reading the comments of some inconsiderate **%&^s makes me want to hunt them down seeing as I am in Adelaide If my council brings this into effect I am moving I swear...What about screaming children and babies and people that have loud music on all night? what about more focus or help with training especially for the elderly that cannot do as much as they used to with dogs.. That being said people that do not have enough time for their dogs probably shouldn't own them but geeez this *could be* legislation is completely out of line! Might have to research the Constitution and see if it could become Commonwealth law... Would be keen to get a petition going if it goes ahead. +1 Absolutely ridiculous. We have a nusience barker next door but we know they are working hard on him. Sure it can be annoying, but you zone out after a while. Some people have too much time on their hands. + 2 This is over the top. Can we all say C O M M U N I S M On a side note. I noticed last night on a trip to the dog park that council had put up a sign advertising seminar type things at local libraries on how to stop/control your dogs barking....maybe this is part of the reason they posted it. But at least instead of just threats they are trying to educate people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgrace6 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Don't look for a job in Adelaide I'm looking forward to finishing my legal studies and moving far out into the Country away from inconsiderate people. I am honestly ashamed to be a human sometimes.. And for all of them they say "as if your comparing dogs to children" helllo! I am never having children and I look after my dogs and love them a hell of a lot better then some people look after or love their kids.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin-Genie Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) I find this particularly worrying: REMOVAL of barking dogs if the owner is unavailable and has failed to comply with a barking nuisance order. To make their life easier, some rangers would simply come to the house when there is no one around and seize the dogs. this is the stupidest proposed law I've ever seen. What's wrong with people? And shouldn't the option to debark be made easier before seizing and putting the dogs down? Edited March 15, 2011 by Odin-Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Q Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Thats insane, one of our dogs in the past was a nuisance barker and we wern't aware of it because noone told us and it was only when we wern't at home , I can't imagine losing a dog to something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I am not sure they can do this. Don't they have to have rules that fit under the State Dog and Cat management act? I do not think they can have tougher rules than the State laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgrace6 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Just having a read of the Act now.. So many loopholes, as with all legislation though. At present the dog management officer cannot exercise the power conferred by subsection (1)(a) (a) subject to subsection (2), enter and inspect any place or vehicle and use such force as may be reasonably necessary to gain entry) except: (a) with the consent of the owner or occupier of the place or the owner or person in charge of the vehicle; or (b) on the authority of a warrant issued by a justice; or © to seize a dog found wandering at large;1 or (d) to seize a dog under this Act in circumstances in which the dog management officer believes on reasonable grounds that urgent action is required. Although no doubt if the legislation is passed a JP of each council will just sign a document or the dog management officer will just *believe* that the matter is urgent... At present Council can NOT destroy barking dogs dogs only put Control Orders on them set out below A Control (Nuisance Dog) Order requires— (a) the dog, while on premises of which the person who is responsible for the control of the dog is the occupier, to be kept indoors or in an enclosure that is constructed so as to prevent the dog escaping from it; and (b) the dog, except while confined to premises of which the person who is responsible for the control of the dog is the occupier, to be under the effective control of a person by means of physical restraint; and © all reasonable steps to be taken to prevent the dog repeating the behaviour that gave rise to the order. (6) A Control (Barking Dog) Order requires all reasonable steps to be taken to prevent the dog repeating the behaviour that gave rise to the order. (7) In this section— approved training course means a training course approved for the time being by the Board for the purposes of subsection (3). (3) A council may, on its own initiative or on application, make a Control (Barking Dog) Order in relation to a dog if satisfied that— (a) the dog is a nuisance; and (b) the dog has created noise by barking or otherwise in circumstances that would constitute an offence against this Act. The Council at present must give (7) days notice prior to giving any order which NEVER happens... they must also give owners the right to appeal, I do not see why they would even propose this ridiculous law if the dogs are not dangerous, imagine how many appeals they would have from dog owners.. I am still having trouble figuring out why they would bother unless it is a scare tactic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightgrace6 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Forgot to add that Council can make their own by-laws but NOT in respect of destroying dogs.. it seems like a few sections of the Act will need to be amended and that can only happen if most Councils vote yes to the proposed amendment.. that is where a petition may work.. I don't think they will bother but if they do the whole of South Australia could be at risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Forgot to add that Council can make their own by-laws but NOT in respect of destroying dogs.. it seems like a few sections of the Act will need to be amended and that can only happen if most Councils vote yes to the proposed amendment.. that is where a petition may work.. I don't think they will bother but if they do the whole of South Australia could be at risk We need to keep an eye on this but I suspect it won't go far because changes to any Act take time and resources. Many Councils bluff people into thinking they have more power than they actually have. Councils can make their own By-Laws BUT I think they must be based on existing legislation. Councils have a set of responsibilities that they must undertake and they cannot take on responsibilities outside their jurisdiction. They also cannot operate outside of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paptacular! Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 The article doesn't even say which councils are considering this. When I'm looking to move there in a few years time there is NO way I'll consider living in councils that implement these ridiculous laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelaa17 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 This is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous!!! What p****s me off the most is the fact that there ARE people out there who would complain about a dog (even if it wasnt a nuisence barker) just because they have a grudge against their neighbour. The family that lives behind me have NEVER had animals (that I know of - no cats or dogs at least) and they complained about our next door neighbours dogs because they don't have the guts to go and talk to them about it. Albeit, the next door neighbours dogs WERE very annoying but everyone dealt with it, and they were lovely people - all we needed to do was ask and they would do everything they could to stop it. There have been occassions when these stupid neighbours (the no-pet ones) would write letters and stick them in peoples mailboxes about things they didnt like - they NEVER talked to anyone. It is people like that who complain about dogs barking. FFS... they're DOGS!!!! they bark!!! that is what they do!! its like if someone talks too much - are we going to cut out their voice box???? seriously. what makes the natural behaviour of dogs ANY different to humans and other animals - like cats... who are let to roam the streets and sit and scratch cars and have cat fights... seriously. stupid effing councils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 They haven't defined barking dog- Do they mean dogs which bark for a prolonged period (say >than an hour) or dogs that bark when strangers knock on the door or come into the property? Personally i think its unacceptable for people to allow their dogs to bark for a prolonged period in a residential area. I don't mind dogs that occaisonally bark when excited or when someone enters the property, but a dog that barks all day and/or night is a nuisance and screams bored, under stimulated, under exercised dog to me. It is NOT natural for a dog to bark all day long or even for periods of greater than an hour at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 This is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous!!! What p****s me off the most is the fact that there ARE people out there who would complain about a dog (even if it wasnt a nuisence barker) just because they have a grudge against their neighbour. That's my worry too. Sure, there need to be penalties for an owner that has been warned about their dogs barking for unreasonable periods & who have done nothing about it. But this law seems to go far, far beyond that. From the article it sounds like any of your neighbours can complain to the council & the council will issue a "bark control order" - and if the dog barks again after that, it can get seized from your back yard when you are at work or otherwise "unavailable"! I can't imagine any DOLers would be happy coming home to find their dog simply snatched from the yard with noone even attempting to contact them first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 We need to keep an eye on this ... Keep an eye on it? I say it needs to be pounced on, squashed, trampled and thoroughly rejected BEFORE it goes ANYWHERE. Don't just sit back and wait because it will take a long time. It'll creep up on you before you know it. Happens every time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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