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Up until recently I didn't realise it was done ... :thumbsup:

Is there a risk with a pregnancy/natural delivery after the procedure?

What reason is most common to go to these lengths?

How common/rare is it?

Is it becoming more common? If so, why?

Success rates are ?

Thankyou :thumbsup:

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Having net problems.

Yes, a natural birth is expected after AI.

although in giant breeds if a scan shows a singleton after AI or natural, some may do an elective ceasar as one is sometimes not enough for hormone levels to stimulate full labour.

with modern AI's, litter sizes are average to hight than average depending on the semen quality and all being well with the bitch.

Being so far away in the world, frozen semen enables us to use dogs overeas without the stress, distance and risk of importing a puppy.

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aaahh Ok, thanks for that - so _ D'oh ... :thumbsup: now I realise it is mainly to ensure valuable frozen sperm gets to where it's needed accurately and first time.

Should 'a thunk of that :thumbsup:

still wondering how many times it can be performed on a bitch safely , and if the associated wounds /scars cause any problems ?

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Oh, thanks for the Grey info! :) I love D O L .

I guess I am concerned that so many times we hear folks say that GA is risky.. surgery is risky... GA's affect your dog ...and breeders are routinely doing this ...Just wanted to know the safety etc . Thanks.

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I wouldn't do surgical AI.

why?

1/ Not necessary when TC AI deposits the semen into the exact same spot as surgical AI.

2/ It IS a surgical procedure so it carries the same risk as any surgery

3/ It can only be done once.

I don't see the point in doing surgical AI when I can TC AI a bitch over a few days. She has no sedation, no recovery and I can take her home as soon as the procedure is done. I also don't see the point in doing 1 surgical AI then following it up with TC AI. Just do all TC AI's.....

The success rates with surgical AI is comparible to TC AI.

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Transcervical is great when you have the bitch to handle the proceedure. Many can't for one reason or another.

A surgical implant, when done correctly, with progesterone to indicate the precise time only HAS to be done the one time. I used to do progesterone and do natural matings, and did one mating...

Yes GS is always a concern for any proceedure, but I will stick with the surgical implant that I know has been inserted precisely where it needs to be because quite simply, you hold the uterine horns in your hands and do it...no guess work. Most of my breeding plans here will involved surgical implant due to lack of quality breeding males available. Thank goodness for frozen technology!

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I was of the impression that TC AIs are still not commonly performed here in Australia as yet, and not many repro specialists doing them here yet also.

Added, I would seriously consider having a TC AI done over a surgical AI if the statistics on birth rate were equal. I did not believe it was.

I get that it also has to do with using frozen versus chilled semen also.

Am I wrong on all these thought please?

Interesting topic :(

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Added, I would seriously consider having a TC AI done over a surgical AI if the statistics on birth rate were equal. I did not believe it was.

I get that it also has to do with using frozen versus chilled semen also.

Am I wrong on all these thought please?

Monash does them and I understand that the conception rates are the same as surgical if not better. I hope never to have to do another surgical AI ever.

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I wouldn't do surgical AI.

why?

1/ Not necessary when TC AI deposits the semen into the exact same spot as surgical AI.2/ It IS a surgical procedure so it carries the same risk as any surgery

3/ It can only be done once.

I don't see the point in doing surgical AI when I can TC AI a bitch over a few days. She has no sedation, no recovery and I can take her home as soon as the procedure is done. I also don't see the point in doing 1 surgical AI then following it up with TC AI. Just do all TC AI's.....

The success rates with surgical AI is comparible to TC AI.

How do they manage to put the semen in the fallopian tubes using TC AI ? From all the lectures I attended on surgical AI, that is where they said the semen was placed and the reason they do it surgically is because it is not physically possible to put it there by TC AI.

Also why would you need to do more than one insemination with daily prog testing ? The bitch can only conceive within about 2-4 days after ovulation so if you are sure she has ovulated and the semen is placed correctly, there is no need for a second insemination.

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Added, I would seriously consider having a TC AI done over a surgical AI if the statistics on birth rate were equal. I did not believe it was.

I get that it also has to do with using frozen versus chilled semen also.

Am I wrong on all these thought please?

Monash does them and I understand that the conception rates are the same as surgical if not better. I hope never to have to do another surgical AI ever.

Thanks Rebanne

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I wouldn't do surgical AI.

why?

1/ Not necessary when TC AI deposits the semen into the exact same spot as surgical AI.2/ It IS a surgical procedure so it carries the same risk as any surgery

3/ It can only be done once.

I don't see the point in doing surgical AI when I can TC AI a bitch over a few days. She has no sedation, no recovery and I can take her home as soon as the procedure is done. I also don't see the point in doing 1 surgical AI then following it up with TC AI. Just do all TC AI's.....

The success rates with surgical AI is comparible to TC AI.

How do they manage to put the semen in the fallopian tubes using TC AI ? From all the lectures I attended on surgical AI, that is where they said the semen was placed and the reason they do it surgically is because it is not physically possible to put it there by TC AI.

Also why would you need to do more than one insemination with daily prog testing ? The bitch can only conceive within about 2-4 days after ovulation so if you are sure she has ovulated and the semen is placed correctly, there is no need for a second insemination.

I do not know of any vet that inseminates straight into the oviduct. I would never let a vet try to introduce a small catheter into my dogs oviduct. TC AI and surgical AI are both deposited at the top of the uterine horn at the uterine/oviduct junction.

If all eggs were ready for fertilisation at the same time then we would only need one insemination. Eggs shed from the ovaries at different rates. Not all eggs are ready to be fertilised at the same time and with frozen semen motility considerably less than natural (natural semen can survive up to 7 days) then I would prefer to inseminate the bitch over 2 or 3 days and increase my chances of a a pregnancy and/or large litter.

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Transcervical is great when you have the bitch to handle the proceedure. Many can't for one reason or another.

A surgical implant, when done correctly, with progesterone to indicate the precise time only HAS to be done the one time. I used to do progesterone and do natural matings, and did one mating...

Yes GS is always a concern for any proceedure, but I will stick with the surgical implant that I know has been inserted precisely where it needs to be because quite simply, you hold the uterine horns in your hands and do it...no guess work. Most of my breeding plans here will involved surgical implant due to lack of quality breeding males available. Thank goodness for frozen technology!

Hi Angelsun

What is actually involved in the procedure? Do they sedate the bitch, how long does it take, does the cervix have to be dilated slightly artificially to allow access? Why can't some bitches handle it?

I know surgical AIs are a relatively minor procedure than for example a spey operation and I've just been unlucky in my case to have some problems with my bitch afterwards. It's interesting though that I have since found out another beagle breeder here in Qld had similar problems with her girl twice - she did have a normal mating resulting in puppies in-between - but no puppies from both surgical AI's.

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Gerard Kind has a great success rate with TC AI

Not sure if he still works out of Green Cross vets at Redbank plains ? but I have his email addy if anyone needs it.

fifi

He certainly does and I can confirm that he does do Surgical and TC AI's.

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I know surgical AIs are a relatively minor procedure than for example a spey operation and I've just been unlucky in my case to have some problems with my bitch afterwards. It's interesting though that I have since found out another beagle breeder here in Qld had similar problems with her girl twice - she did have a normal mating resulting in puppies in-between - but no puppies from both surgical AI's.

Fern's experience was not minor, won't do it again on her.

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