Homeopathic Remedies

[TheFenstar]

Miranda I'm very happy to know that heartworm isn't a problem in SA, thanks for that.

Reverand Jo I wouldnt be here today if it wasn't for a natural cure.

Raz don't you do homeopathy anymore?

You can't claim that because with whatever happened to you wasn't controlled and tested. Any number of things could have saved your life. That is why we never make claims in science unless we test under strict conditions. I'm not saying that there aren't any alternative medicines that are useful, I'm not. BUT, homeopathy actually comes from the realm of faith, that is what the originator of the practice stated. When you were hitting that vial of water you actually had to invoke some spiritual thingie or other But by all means drink your poo water (don't forget water has a memory and animals poo in water ) but don't make claims that might endanger others. Homeopathy isn't even near being a natural remedy because you cannot detect anything in the water. If I go eat a ginger biscuit when not feeling well I know there is ginger in it! I eat salt when my BP is down and I can prove the salt is really salt.

Well said Reverend Jo.

There are JOURNAL articles proving that homeopathy is the same as the placebo effect. It has been scientifically proven.

If you don't believe it, here are some links, have a read:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P...?tool=pmcentrez

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html (contains links backing up info)

The NHS in the UK also recently stated: "We conclude that placebos should not be routinely prescribed on the NHS. The funding of homeopathic hospitals — hospitals that specialise in the administration of placebos — should not continue, and NHS doctors should not refer patients to homeopaths" They no longer cover homeopathy under the NHS.

[Are You Serious Jo]

Anyway, there is a new alternative medicine just been released, it's a drug called CHARLIE SHEEN!!!

[SkySoaringMagpie]

Anyway, there is a new alternative medicine just been released, it's a drug called CHARLIE SHEEN!!!

For the OP, I would NOT give a homeopathic for parasite/flea prevention. I have not had a flea on my dogs for years and I don't use chemicals. I get to avoid chemicals because I live in Southern NSW which is usually very dry and has very cold winters (ie flea unfriendly). I also live well away from other people and their dogs. I could be giving homeopathics and saying "hey, this works!". In fact, it's the fortunate combination of geography and general good management. The same applies to heartworm down here - our local vet only sees cases that have travelled in from well outside the area. Anyone around here putting their flea free/heartworm free status down to homeopathics would be deluding themselves on a grand scale.

[SkySoaringMagpie]

A useful blog: http://www.badscience.net/

There is also a book, titled "Bad Science" that is worth a read. Explains in layman's terms what Rev Jo is talking about re scientific studies.

[Staranais]

Yes, arnica isn't homeopathic, it's merely a herb.

A remedy is homoeopathic it was prescribed in a homoeopathic way (so to say). As I have already tried to explain before: homoeopathy means "similar disease" so when a remedy given is able to produce the same symptoms a patient has THAN (and only than) you can call it homoeopathic.

Arnica does not cause bruising, even when overdosed. If arnica is prescribed for bruising as described by the poster, it is therefore not being used in a homeopathic way by any standard. It is merely being used as a herbal medicine, and as false evidence for the efficacy for homeopathy.

Plus, any common definition of homeopathy includes the fact that homeopathic medicines are prepared by being highly diluted, e.g. F.A.Q from the Homeopathic Council of New Zealand or F.A.Q from the New Zealand Homeopathic Society. Using full strength arnica is therefore not a homeopathic remedy on two counts.

[raz]

Anyway, there is a new alternative medicine just been released, it's a drug called CHARLIE SHEEN!!!

Well looking at Charlie's high octane behaviour over the last few days I'd say his drug works a hell of a lot better than homoeopathy

Edited March 5, 2011 by raz

[Guest]

I have a couple of links here that if any of you really care about your own health, never mind about your pets, then you would be wise to read them.

I dont take artificial drugs any more (age 64) and I wont give them to my pets, while there are natural cures out there.

If a pets immune system is not compromised from taking chemicals, it should be able to combat most diseases through natural means.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMAC...al_industry.htm

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/pharm.htm

lablove

[vetrg]

I have a couple of links here that if any of you really care about your own health, never mind about your pets, then you would be wise to read them.

I dont take artificial drugs any more (age 64) and I wont give them to my pets, while there are natural cures out there.

If a pets immune system is not compromised from taking chemicals, it should be able to combat most diseases through natural means.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMAC...al_industry.htm

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/pharm.htm

lablove

So when I see a diabetic dog I shouldn't prescribe insulin (a "natural" product but artificially produced) but use some natural remedy instead? Or perhaps when I see the dog that has just been hit by a car I should avoid those nasty toxic painkillers and antibiotics because his immune system should be able to cope? Define drug, define artificial. I had the misfortune to have to treat 26 akita pups (from 5 litters) and watch them die one by one from parvovirus. The owner (a "reputable" breeder and show person in the UK) told me I must be mistaken and the labs tests must be wrong as they has all been vaccianted with homeopathic nosodes and wouldn't die as she had been giving them her own herbal remedies. Must have all just been a bad dream then.

[Guest]

Vetrg, I myself am Diabetic and stick to a well controled diet and take natural herbs to keep it in check.

I am not that cruel that I would suggest you not give a dog a pain killer if it was injured, and I think that vets that help injured animals are to be admired, I am talking about all the chemicals we are told to give yearly monthly and so on, when there are natural meds. for most ailments. eg apple cider vinegar is good for worms, for dogs and horses .

A few years ago now, I also had a dog die that caught parvo from our other pup that had just been recently vaccinated for parvo,so I do know what that is all about and most parvos are caught from vetinary clinics.

I wouldn't expect a doctor or vet to take notice of those links that were included in my post, but i do hope some people wake up to what is being shoved down our necks, I haven't seen a medication yet that actually cures anything, only masks the problem,and sometimes causes other problems that you have to take something else for that.

And I know that you also have to keep taking natural remedies to keep problems at bay, but I myself prefer natural.

(Define drug define artificial) I'm talking about man made chemicals that are added to meds

[Are You Serious Jo]

I haven't seen a medication yet that actually cures anything, only masks the problem,and sometimes causes other problems that you have to take something else for that.

Really, never Have you heard of this thing called antibiotics, maybe you should look them up Your diabetes would be mild and a case of being able to be controlled by diet alone. If someone had a different type where they couldn't produce insulin and tried to manage it using diet alone they would quickly die. That is what I take issue with (people who push "natural" medicine so hard) they take one anecdote and apply it to the world. You are just lucky that so far you haven't had a life threatening condition develop.

If your methods are so great why do you have to try to knock down other people's way of life? Better living through chemistry I say

[megan_]

I have a couple of links here that if any of you really care about your own health, never mind about your pets, then you would be wise to read them.

I dont take artificial drugs any more (age 64) and I wont give them to my pets, while there are natural cures out there.

If a pets immune system is not compromised from taking chemicals, it should be able to combat most diseases through natural means.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/PHARMAC...al_industry.htm

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/pharm.htm

lablove

So if I get AIDS, I should shun the drugs that have been proven to prolong life and should take some herbs instead??

When the 1918 flu pandemic hit and wiped out 1/3 of the world's population, they weren't taking chemicals that compromised their imune system - and yet so many died.

No one is saying that you need to take vast amounts of chemicals for no reason, but western medicine isn't all evil and has helped heal and prolong the lives of many.

I saw a highly respected naturpath for a while, and every "natural" product she gave me was in a processed form (ie a pill or tonic). She told me that some of the stuff was toxic in its unprocessed state, so it had been extracted etc. Pills don't come from nature you know....

ETA: and if you have surgery one day, are you going to want some morphine to help ease the pain? I don't think the herbs are going to cut it...

Edited March 7, 2011 by megan_

[Dogs4Fun]

I don't think Chemists would sell homeopathic remedies if they were codswallop.

I know that they work as my husband took arnica for bruising after an operation, and it healed up much faster than the first, (same operation)he had 12 months before hand.

To bark, who asked the original question, These are my opinions only on this subject, although I have not used homeopathic heartworming, on our dog, I would not be afraid to do so, as my homeopathic practitioner uses them on her dogs with success.

She actually did the homeopathic colledge course, because she wanted to treat her children with them after one of her children had a near fatal reaction to ordinary , vaccines.

lablove

Why not, they sold the "Powerband", and they sell make up, a huge range of lollies, some wierd vitamin mixes (as well as some sensible ones), toys, cameras etc so they sell a bunch of junk as well as good things.

[Are You Serious Jo]

If people are willing to buy something then someone will also be willing to sell it. It's called business. Another good example of how medicine has vastly improved lives, leprosy. Pre-treatment people were condemned to life on an island shunned by their community. Turns out it can be cured quite easily and if you get it now it is no big deal.

The whole conventional medicine is evil is promoted by those who have an agenda, to sell their products. If it is so effective they wouldn't need to resort to attacking conventional medicine to sell it. Alternative medicine is also rightly called complementary medicine, which is where I think it fits. Funny how people will put their trust in a car, built on the same scientific principles that are used to determine if a drug is effective. If anything you should be more distrustful of some alternative treatments because their effect on the body isn't actually known and they aren't regulated.

Some people just fall for the word natural and it covers up any logical thought processes.