saradale Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Last July I arranged to have a dog cover my BC bitch and I had him here for a period of 5days. In that time he was rather enthusiastic and she was standing well for him, but nothing happened. I thought perhaps with my lack of experience that next time it would be better to send my girl to the owner of the stud dog who is much more experienced than I, so at Christmas I sent her to be with the stud dog for another 5 days or so. The other breeder also has Aussie Shepards, so in total there were 4 entire males on the property. This time around, using the same stud, he was again eager to get the job done, and she was again standing for him and flagging him, etc, but still nothing. What the breeder thought was strange was the fact that none of her other males even seemed to notice that there was an on heat bitch there, as normally when one of her bitches comes into season she lives in chaos for a few weeks with males whinging and trying their best to get with her females. But none of this behaviour. This bitch has had one litter in the past, to my own male, who always seems to notice when she is in season. This was an easy mating, text book whelping, etc. The stud dog that I want to use is also proven. I will be going to my vet a few months before she is due in season next to see if there is anything she would recommend that may assist. My vet does perform AI, so this may be my next option. I was just wondering if anyone here may also be able to offer advise/suggestions. All will be much appreciated!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 This time around, using the same stud, he was again eager to get the job done, and she was again standing for him and flagging him, etc, but still nothing. Can you give more detail? Did he lick her and mount her as soon as they were introduced and then fail to penetrate or was he just licking her and dancing around but not attempting to mount her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Any reason an AI was not done by the studs owner last time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saradale Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 This time around, using the same stud, he was again eager to get the job done, and she was again standing for him and flagging him, etc, but still nothing. Can you give more detail? Did he lick her and mount her as soon as they were introduced and then fail to penetrate or was he just licking her and dancing around but not attempting to mount her. He tried to mount her the moment they were introduced but failed to penetrate. He attempted many more times while I was there talking with the stud owner. As I was leaving, we crated both dogs side by side so they could rest, as being the middle of summer in nth qld, we didn't want them to overheat, well the stud dog at any rate. She was to let them together again later in the day when it cooled off, which I trust she did, but same story... plenting of mounting and licking and general interest, but no penetration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saradale Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 Any reason an AI was not done by the studs owner last time ? We never discussed AI at this point, as I beleived that with her experience she would have a better chance at getting a successful natural mating from the pair. I will be discussing this option with her this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) A little while ago a friends stud dog was used by a breeder. The breeder wished to use a stud master. The stud dog is proven and experienced enough, and had assistance the last time with the same stud master (the breed is not an easy one to mate and the breeder prefers using a stud master to increase her chances) The bitch was only semi interested, and although she would stand for him, the dog failed to penetrate despite him doing all the right things and with assistance from the stud master. The stud master basically said that in her experience (which is obviously extensive) that there was something going on with the bitch, as the stud dog was not getting the right signals and penetrating all the way. She advised the owner of the bitch to get some tests done, as she felt that it was rarely the stud dog (particularly an experienced one) and more often the bitch that is having an issue. She seemed to think the was not ovulating properly due to the circumstances. Edited February 28, 2011 by SparkyTansy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazzapug Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Last July I arranged to have a dog cover my BC bitch and I had him here for a period of 5days. In that time he was rather enthusiastic and she was standing well for him, but nothing happened. I thought perhaps with my lack of experience that next time it would be better to send my girl to the owner of the stud dog who is much more experienced than I, so at Christmas I sent her to be with the stud dog for another 5 days or so. The other breeder also has Aussie Shepards, so in total there were 4 entire males on the property. This time around, using the same stud, he was again eager to get the job done, and she was again standing for him and flagging him, etc, but still nothing.What the breeder thought was strange was the fact that none of her other males even seemed to notice that there was an on heat bitch there, as normally when one of her bitches comes into season she lives in chaos for a few weeks with males whinging and trying their best to get with her females. But none of this behaviour. This bitch has had one litter in the past, to my own male, who always seems to notice when she is in season. This was an easy mating, text book whelping, etc. The stud dog that I want to use is also proven. I will be going to my vet a few months before she is due in season next to see if there is anything she would recommend that may assist. My vet does perform AI, so this may be my next option. I was just wondering if anyone here may also be able to offer advise/suggestions. All will be much appreciated!! I would rule out everything...as soon as she comes in next time get a swab done to make sure she doesnt have an infection...and do prog tests to determine her levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 From what you have said I would have guessed a stricture, but I see that she's previously had a normal mating. Make sure she hasn't got an infection then have prog tests done, if the stud still can't penetrate do a couple of AI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzz Top Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Hi I have a girl here that is just the same as you are saying she also has ha 1 litter of pups back in 2007 and has been put to 3 males now and they just do not get it right they will jump up but never get it in. I have been thinking that it does not stick out behind her as much as my other girls does. She has been checked by the vet and there is nothing wrong that they can find. So next season I will try AI here hope this works. If you get any helpfly info would love to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzz Top Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Hi I have a girl here that is just the same as you are saying she also has ha 1 litter of pups back in 2007 and has been put to 3 males now and they just do not get it right they will jump up but never get it in.I have been thinking that it does not stick out behind her as much as my other girls does. She has been checked by the vet and there is nothing wrong that they can find. So next season I will try AI here hope this works. If you get any helpfly info would love to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Sounds like a timing issue to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 My guess would be she isn't ovulating or is ovulating much later or earlier. I had one to my first stud dog that ovulated very late. My dog was interested but we couldn't get a mating. We took her to a much more experienced dog after about 10 days (day 17) and while he was initially excited to see her, he only hopped on once then walked away. His owner told me the bitch wasn't ready. She was finally ready days 24,25 and 26. No trouble getting matings and she whelped a litter of 7. On subsequent seasons she was usually ready to mate around days 12-14 so no idea why ovulation was so late the first time we tried to mate her. I also know of a bitch that was only able to be mated days 3-5 and her owner didn't work it out until they tried for about 4 seasons. These were long before prog testing was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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