Aidan3 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 the weight wont peel off fast with supercoat due to the grain content I agree, it always pays to compare how many calories a food has and some of these "diet" foods are ridiculous. Fat is essential for dogs, they don't need much carbohydrate at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I agree with Nekbet, but I feed a raw/dry combo. Add cooked pumpkin to help fill out meals - dogs don't absorb it so it won't make him fat, but will fill him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I agree, it always pays to compare how many calories a food has and some of these "diet" foods are ridiculous. Fat is essential for dogs, they don't need much carbohydrate at all. people seem to think feeding dogs like it's a goat is the way to go ... lower the protein and fat and increase the starches/carbs. Quickest way to an unfit, unhealthy, low muscle tone dog. Dogs are not us, they're not horses, or cows, or pigs. They need meat and fat to have energy and to build muscle. Lower the protein content too much and you soon have a dog that cant really get about much due to fatigue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) If it was my dog I would ditch the dry biscuits and only do raw - but thats just me..... ETA the reason I would do this is my dog loses weight on raw, he gets mainly pumpkin/veg and with roo, goat or lamb - most is roo as I am battling to get anything else atm. He also gets sardines, cheese, egg etc etc but for him this diet keeps him lean Edited February 22, 2011 by Mason2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) my dog got pudgy and to strip the weight off her i fed raw meat and lots of grated carrot...she felt full but not with fatty food. if she got a bone, her meals were cut down to compensate. she lost the weight easily. why did she get fat.........because i am used to big dogs and i was feeding her too much now she gets a lot less per day than she used to eta and she has a lovely waist now Edited February 22, 2011 by Jaxx'sBuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Theoretically this shouldn't cost any more than your mainstream Supermarket foods, because you actually feed a MUCH lower quantity of the Super Premium foods (they are more concentrated/filling, to put it basically). So cost-per-feed is very similar, if that makes sense. The OP is feeding 1 1/2 cups of Supercoat to an adult labrador. Any less then that is just becoming rediculous, the weight wont peel off fast with supercoat due to the grain content. My grandparents dog I switched to Royal Canin light, it started peeling off and he was eating almost double what he ate of the supercoat. Stick to dry food only. why? If raw is cheaper and works better why not do it. The dog only has 5kg to lose which can be done in under a couple of weeks, its not a dog going through the growing phase. Two meals a day filled with raw grated vegetables in a starving dog will keep him full at a price below even a budget food yet at a better quality. Sorry, by saying "stick to dry only" I meant steer clear from cans, not from raw. Each to their own regarding dry food diets. I strongly believe in Super Premium dry foods for a whole host of reasons, but that's just my humble opinion and it's what works for my dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I believe in them too. But a dog that cannot lose weight on 1 1/2 cups of dry food a day at the age of 5 is not on a healthy diet despite what the packets say. Dry food doesnt work for all dogs, and if people do not have the finances to buy high end foods like Nutro, Nutrience, Royal Canin, Artemis etc then a raw diet is the next best thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I believe in them too. But a dog that cannot lose weight on 1 1/2 cups of dry food a day at the age of 5 is not on a healthy diet despite what the packets say. Dry food doesnt work for all dogs, and if people do not have the finances to buy high end foods like Nutro, Nutrience, Royal Canin, Artemis etc then a raw diet is the next best thing. what's interesting though is that it would cost me so much more to feed raw than a super premium like Nutro. I most certainly don't have the finances to feed raw. And that's not including the cost of purchasing and running a freezer that i would need to do it! how do you get it to cost less Nekhbet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think Nekhbet hunts? Feeding raw costs me about the same as buying medium-high quality dry food, but only if I shop in pet food meat stores (not from the supermarket - meat is expensive there!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan3 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I can get 10kg of chicken or wallaby frames for about $7, depending on where they come from. Supplement with appropriate left-overs, organ meats (except in Tas, officially ) , and good quality dry food. Not strictly a raw diet but suits most dogs. One of my dogs can't have frames any more, too many operations for torsion (not caused by diet), but I get wings for her for $4/kg which is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 excuse me but what is a super-premium food i use apple as training treats. very yummy for both the dog and myself lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I believe in them too. But a dog that cannot lose weight on 1 1/2 cups of dry food a day at the age of 5 is not on a healthy diet despite what the packets say. Dry food doesnt work for all dogs, and if people do not have the finances to buy high end foods like Nutro, Nutrience, Royal Canin, Artemis etc then a raw diet is the next best thing. what's interesting though is that it would cost me so much more to feed raw than a super premium like Nutro. I most certainly don't have the finances to feed raw. And that's not including the cost of purchasing and running a freezer that i would need to do it! how do you get it to cost less Nekhbet? It depends on what you feed, where you get it from and what price you can get it at. Shopping around helps, finding a good supplier. We can buy roo up here for $3 per kilo and chicken frames for the same. Some butchers will have good deals on bulk meat, pet meat suppliers, leonards, etc. Veggies are expensive from the supermarket, but might be cheaper from a green grocer or the market. You may be able to find a supplier that will sell you seconds. And if you can hunt and grow your own it's practically free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I get 20kg of minced frames with some meat and offal in it for $10. Frames are $4 for 10kg find a processer/wholesale butcher they get rid of it by the truckload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labradork Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 excuse me but what is a super-premium food I'm not sure of the official definition, but a Super Premium pet food (in comparison to Budget, Mainstream, Premium) is basically the "top" line of food available in a specialised store; generally recognised by a higher $/KG, more natural ingredients, less colours/flavours etc. For example, Hill's Science Diet, Advance, Eukanuba etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I wouldn't call any of the foods you've mentioned appear premium?? They are all very high in fillers. I wouldnt feed my dogs science diet if you paid me. Ep holistic, Artemis are super premium IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I wouldn't call any of the foods you've mentioned appear premium?? They are all very high in fillers. I wouldnt feed my dogs science diet if you paid me. Ep holistic, Artemis are super premium IMO. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 yup none of those are super premiums. Supers use a set content, no byproducts, artificial colours, flavours, preservatives and premium protein sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I've switched to Nutro lately, in conjunction with raw meaty bones when I get my hands on some, what would Nutro be classed as? Premium or Super Premium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I've switched to Nutro lately, in conjunction with raw meaty bones when I get my hands on some, what would Nutro be classed as? Premium or Super Premium? Hard to say, it is just a marketing term. My dogs did well on Nutro, but it does contain wheat. I switched to Black Hawk (no wheat, articial colours or flavours) and they do much better on it (which for me equates to smalller #2's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) excuse me but what is a super-premium food i use apple as training treats. very yummy for both the dog and myself lol If you suspect Mindy has allergies I would use pear instead of apples ;) there is a whole thing about foods cross reacting ie if you dog is allergic to birch?? I think it is then apples will cause that same raction. Pear, banana and paw paw are apparently safe fruits to use Edited for spelling Edited February 23, 2011 by Mason2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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