HugUrPup Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) My SIL has no idea about dogs and mating. Her neigbour had a PB bitch that was not spayed and she said they would make cute puppies together and they are great friends. After blowing my top and not speaking to her for a while, I was told the PB was impounded for endangerment. She had to go to court to get her back and one condition was spaying. So yeh, hopefully the breeder will give her all of this information also and she will be talked out of mating.. or have a lot of correct support and help if she decides to become a breeder. I guess she in entitled to become a breeder if she wants, I just want her to be ethical. Edited February 17, 2011 by HugUrPup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess she in entitled to become a breeder if she wants, Not sure if I agree with this just because someone has a pedigreed entire dog does not entitle them to start breeding.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugUrPup Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess she in entitled to become a breeder if she wants, Not sure if I agree with this just because someone has a pedigreed entire dog does not entitle them to start breeding.... Who are any of us to judge and not allow her though? *shrugs* At least if she does want to do it, she can be steered in the right direction. Either she will see it's not as simple as she imagined and just stop with the idea, or she will study and get some knowledge, training, testing on her dog and do things the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paptacular! Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess she in entitled to become a breeder if she wants, Not sure if I agree with this just because someone has a pedigreed entire dog does not entitle them to start breeding.... Who are any of us to judge and not allow her though? *shrugs* At least if she does want to do it, she can be steered in the right direction. Either she will see it's not as simple as she imagined and just stop with the idea, or she will study and get some knowledge, training, testing on her dog and do things the right way. I just pray that she does the right thing, even if she does get herself registered through the proper channels. The last thing we need is another registered BYB doing the wrong thing and putting more people against registered breeders who DO do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugUrPup Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 I totally agree ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 So her main reason for doing it is to make money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugUrPup Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 That's one of the reasons.. the other is because he'd make "cute" pups Hey don't shoot the messenger ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 That's one of the reasons.. the other is because he'd make "cute" pups Hey don't shoot the messenger ok? Not shooting the messenger, just wanting to understand the reason for her decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2psinapod Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I guess she in entitled to become a breeder if she wants, Not sure if I agree with this just because someone has a pedigreed entire dog does not entitle them to start breeding.... Who are any of us to judge and not allow her though? *shrugs* At least if she does want to do it, she can be steered in the right direction. Either she will see it's not as simple as she imagined and just stop with the idea, or she will study and get some knowledge, training, testing on her dog and do things the right way. IF she bought from an ethical registered breeder, well it's up to the ethical registered breeder of the dog to JUDGE and ALLOW for the dog to be bred!!! My guess is it came from a Registered Backyardie, sadly, plenty of them around too, I mean really, who in their right mind would say to a pet puppy buyer "He would be great for showing or breeding" unless they were just trying to 'seal the deal' and why does your SIL have such strong thoughts on putting him out to stud, I dare say because this so called 'breeder' had no contract in place when the puppy left entire, nor were there any lengthy discussions on the importance of desexing and why the Hell do it go to a pet home on Main anyway??!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadbury Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 HugurPup, your doing a good job by getting you SIL to read all the comments on here and I hope with all the technical information regarding housing the bitch, supervising mating, Cost of health checks etc. she will reconsider and have her Pet desexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Get your SIL to read this thread...but also, show her some of the other threads regarding breeding which include diseases that males can get, liability issues that COULD come up. Unfortunately owning an entire male is an open invitation for many to think they will make some quick dollars. As you noted..she is a single mother of one....right there, I see only $$ as motivation.....as for 'cute pups' All pups are cute....but then what? The answer sits waiting in the local pound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toy dog Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 can i add to this discussion, i know it might be too late, just recently put someone in the office here off breeding their male dog and they had a big push from a puppy farmer telling them they could make thousands of dollars. but i'd be telling your SIL that no.1. does she realise that if the dog is housed some of the time inside that mating the dog can make them very frustrated, frustrated enough to lift their legs anywhere in the house marking their territory? having males over the years, it happens more frequently after they've been mated and allowed to go to stud. no. 2. in order for people of the registered dog world to be interested in your dog, you are going to have to advertise to the registered dog world. the only way you can do this is to show your dog, but even showing your dog doesnt' guarantee that people will want to use him - he has to win and win big and to do that he has to be a great example of the breed and stand out as there are alot of this breed inthe ring sort of like cavalier king charles spaniels, they really have to be exceptional quality. he has to be exceptional in confirmation, having a sire and dam champions means nothing to the dog in question, he could have taken after the great grandmother with a bad mouth, poor HD scores or be too white, they also have to be the right color too light and that is a fault in this breed as my brother has this breed. he has a rescue boy desexed, and our pru darling who was sourced from DOL here. no. 3. quality does change from pup to adult, as pups they can look pretty and good as some faults only come out when the dog is adult. so he definately needs to be re-evaluated. no.4. yes your SIL needs to be registered with the Canine Council of their state in order to be able to offer him up to registered breeders. otherwise puppy farmers are going to be on her door. the kind that don't care where the dogs go and what if these people can't find homes for their dogs where do the pups end up, there is a certain amount of responsibility when you offer up your dog for stud purposes you are putting little lives out into the world no.5 the other breeders will only be interested in the dogs with the best score for HD if they don't get a satisfactory score then not many would be interested i would think. more emphasis is placed on HD than with PL in toy dogs i know that. apparently one of my brothers dogs was meant to be a show and breeding dog but was deemed not suitable in the HD scores therefore the person who got this dog was not happy. so people only pick the best examples of that breed to produce with obviously. the lady who had a registered dog in the office here and decided that maybe they'd want to stud their dog out, thought in the end how cruel to let the dog go for it when really he is just a pet. i inspired them to get their dog desexed. and now he is. he is a much happier boy than mating bitches and being frustrated 24/7. they also don't eat and can whine all the time and during this period my stud boys aren't too good in the pet department when they drive you nuts in this period. is your SIL prepared for this? its not as easy to get the money you have to promote your dog first. otherwise you will have no one wanting to use your dog also how much you can charge depends on the dog being proven, what quality it is, if it has too many faults as was the case with the lady in the office then other breeder will not want to use your dog. then there is also the fact that some bitches can carry infection that can damage your dogs organs as well. its not as straight forward as offering your dog up for stud and collecting money there is a bit more to it than that. i am hopefully not too late to show your SIL this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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