**urgent**

[BJean]

Does anyone know how often or in what amount to give home made antidote for strychnine / rat poison (??? assumed it is this).

Activated charcoal is not available, so using egg white, milk vegetable oil.

Vets are not available.

Dog: vomit with blood, diarrhea, difficulty breathing, turned blue. Is not epilepsy.

[Tatzelwurm]

Not sure lilli, but stry. poisoning cases go rigid, with the backbone stiffening. Washing soda and water will produce vomiting, if not too late.

Your remedy will put a lining on the stomach. Phone the emergency sect of the hospital, or the poisons hot line, and ask them the amount per kg of body weight for people, and do the calculation

Good luck

I suspect you could give a fair bit of that mixture to a biggish dog. Problem may be seizures and choking

Edited February 10, 2011 by Tatzelwurm

[Nekhbet]

you need some activated charcoal ... do you have a fish tank or filter you can rip apart? Or sounds stupid but go char a piece of toast until black and sove it down the dogs throat

If you have phenobarbitol or diazepam to control the seizures

eta apnea (not breathing) is a symptom of strychnine as are seizures, although the rigid limbs and stiff spine are also symptoms

if it's true rat poison (like warfarin or other blood thinners) you need vit K asap.

Edited February 10, 2011 by Nekhbet

[BJean]

you need some activated charcoal ... do you have a fish tank or filter you can rip apart? Or sounds stupid but go char a piece of toast until black and sove it down the dogs throat

If you have phenobarbitol or diazepam to control the seizures

! will see if there is a fish tank around

[lappiemum]

Sorry - if convulsions have started you need to get to a vet somehow as charcoal and vomiting are not going to do the job. It's also important to avoid loud noises or unnecessary handling because anything like that can trigger a seizure. My advice would be to cover your dog with a coat or blanket and drive to the emergency clinic.

[Nekhbet]

grind it up, black charcoal, mix with water and if you know what you're doing try and get a pipe down the dogs throat so you can pour it down and not in its lungs

if you want to make sure, when the tubes in, press shaply on the ribs a few times with your ear at the tube, if you hear no air its down the eosophagus

dont leave it down there long just tip the slurry down and pull tube out slowly

[BJean]

you need some activated charcoal ... do you have a fish tank or filter you can rip apart? Or sounds stupid but go char a piece of toast until black and sove it down the dogs throat

If you have phenobarbitol or diazepam to control the seizures

how much?

eta apnea (not breathing) is a symptom of strychnine as are seizures, although the rigid limbs and stiff spine are also symptoms

if it's true rat poison (like warfarin or other blood thinners) you need vit K asap.

think it is old fashion rat poison - strychnine - seems to eb lack of blood (blue)n rather than heamo - or thinning blood from warfarin.

there is blood in vomit and dog has diarrhea - so I think the posion has already gone through the dogs system

[BJean]

Sorry - if convulsions have started you need to get to a vet somehow as charcoal and vomiting are not going to do the job. It's also important to avoid loud noises or unnecessary handling because anything like that can trigger a seizure. My advice would be to cover your dog with a coat or blanket and drive to the emergency clinic.

no bvet. no emergency clinic

[Nekhbet]

if the dogs airways are closing conversely you can try and put same flexible tube down the windpipe to help respiration, just make sure someone has hold of the tube at all times and keep your hands away from the teeth

[BJean]

Sorry - if convulsions have started you need to get to a vet somehow as charcoal and vomiting are not going to do the job. It's also important to avoid loud noises or unnecessary handling because anything like that can trigger a seizure. My advice would be to cover your dog with a coat or blanket and drive to the emergency clinic.

no vet. no emergency clinic

dog is in kazak

[OSoSwift]

Is the dog going rigid at all???

Potential access to snail pellets????? one of them causes very awful diahhorea and muscle twitching etc

DO you have a fire place??? charcoal from that would be okay if you could maybe stick it in a coffe grinder or smash it evry small.

Over what period of time has the dog gone down?

If it is ratsack and the dog is going blue then it will be due to a major bleed etc so will need vit K an dpossibly a bllod transfusion, also take a little time to show up.

[Nekhbet]

diazepam can be given rectally for convulsions, 1mg/kg, liquid solution

[Sue & Waldo]

Oh gosh

Does this help?

How to Induce Vomiting in a Dog

There are several methods that a veterinarian or poison control center staff may recommend.

The following is among the most common and effective methods for inducing vomiting in a pet at home:

1.Feed the dog blackened toast: This will help neutralize some of the toxins, while also absorbing some of the poison. It’s much easier to induce vomiting when there is substance present in the stomach. Achieving emesis in a dog with only fluids in the stomach is more difficult.

2.Give 3% Hydrogen Peroxide: Within five minutes of feeding the toast, give the dog one teaspoon of hydrogen peroxide per each 5 to 10 pounds of body weight.

3.Repeat if vomiting has not occurred: Give the dog ten minutes to vomit. If vomiting does not occur, give another dose of hydrogen peroxide. Repeat up to three times until the dog vomits, which typically occurs within 10 to 20 minutes of the initial dose of hydrogen peroxide.

4.Get the pet to the veterinarian as soon as possible: Vomiting will only remove 40 to 60 percent of the stomach’s contents. And the more time that has elapsed, the more toxin the body will have the opportunity to absorb. Additional measures such as giving activated charcoal, or pumping the dog’s stomach may be necessary, combined with supportive care to help minimize the effects of the toxin.

In the event that there is no hydrogen peroxide available, vomiting can be induced using table salt by following the same method. The approximate dose is one large teaspoon of salt per 15 pounds of body weight.

Read more at Suite101: How to Induce Vomiting in Your Dog: The Basics of How and When to Force Regurgitation in a Poisoned Pet http://www.suite101.com/content/inducing-v...6#ixzz1DYjaQYPh

[lappiemum]

Where are you Lilli? How many hours from Melbourne?

[OSoSwift]

If they do try placing a tube they will need to wedge something hard in between the teeth and bandage the muzzle shut so that the tube cannot be bitten off.

Intubating can be difficult especially in a concious dog who is fighting for breathe.

[BJean]

diazepam can be given rectally for convulsions, 1mg/kg, liquid solution

THANKYOU

[BJean]

Where are you Lilli? How many hours from Melbourne?

very far. dog is in kazakhstan

[Nekhbet]

if its in Kazak they will have strychnine

if its been past half an hour and the dog keeps convulsing, sorry Lilli unless they see a vet that can put the dog on a respirator or they can medicate it there and artificially breathe for it there's no real cure for strychnine poisoning

[OSoSwift]

if its in Kazak they will have strychnine

if its been past half an hour and the dog keeps convulsing, sorry Lilli unless they see a vet that can put the dog on a respirator or they can medicate it there and artificially breathe for it there's no real cure for strychnine poisoning

Yep agreed it is shitful stuff to treat with a vet at your disposal, you can get them thourgh it but it can be hard with all the equipment

[Nekhbet]

eta liquid solution - crush tablet in not a lot of water since the dog has diahreah and more water especially cold will cause rectal contractions

add enough to make it a paste and get it up there, if they syphon some fecal matter out it may work. Body temp water can stop contractions