raybass Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) Has anyone actually had this procedure done for arthritic dogs or joint problems in general? I have a 21 month old Stafford who has bad arthritis in both elbows and this treament seems like the final option for us. Please, I don't want alternative suggestions for treatment as we have already spent over $9000 this year trying to get the poor little guy fixed, :rolleyes: so as you can imagine we have tried every powder/pill /"normal" surgery there is.... I just would like to know if anyone has had Adicell done and what the results are/were.... Thanks in advance Edited February 10, 2011 by raybass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rottifan Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I havent tried it but with a 10 year old rotti with hip and elbow displaysia when I was getting cushings tests done at the specialist centre last month I did ask about it and whether it was worth a try. The specialist said that there have been no scientific results and apparently the 'technique' or 'practice' has been sold to the surgeries that do it as a franchise. Who's to know. The specialist centre I went to said that they have asked for quantifiable results or scientific proof that there have been improvements using this treatment before they promote it or take it up themselves but nothing has been forthcoming so they cant recommend it.....I decided against it for this reason. I didnt want to operate and then I was told it wasnt possible to joint fuse or replace or amputate (which was too drastic for me anyway) but I've had great success using an animal chiropractor. Best of luck - if you try it please update so we know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Has anyone actually had this procedure done for arthritic dogs or joint problems in general?I have a 21 month old Stafford who has bad arthritis in both elbows and this treament seems like the final option for us. Please, I don't want alternative suggestions for treatment as we have already spent over $9000 this year trying to get the poor little guy fixed, so as you can imagine we have tried every powder/pill /"normal" surgery there is.... I just would like to know if anyone has had Adicell done and what the results are/were.... Thanks in advance i had it done on my 12 yo aussie shep girl who had OA in her elbows. Although we did see intial improvement, she sadly developed a neurological condition and died only 12 months later As rottifan said, there areno scientific results to suggest the procedure works. You also need to know that they are not injecting purified ie. only stem cells, but injecting a matrix of cells, so you can't quantify how many stem cells each dog actually gets. I am sure there is huge variation in the number of stem cells extracted from each individual, which accounts for the mixed responses to treatment. It is an expensive procedure, you're looking at $6000 for the treatment. I have heard of a number of young dogs who have done well with this treatment though, I think assistance dogs and pet therapy dogs (aka guide dogs) have had this procedure done on some of their dogs with positive results (i remember seeing something on the 7.30 report or something about this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybass Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Has anyone actually had this procedure done for arthritic dogs or joint problems in general?I have a 21 month old Stafford who has bad arthritis in both elbows and this treament seems like the final option for us. Please, I don't want alternative suggestions for treatment as we have already spent over $9000 this year trying to get the poor little guy fixed, so as you can imagine we have tried every powder/pill /"normal" surgery there is.... I just would like to know if anyone has had Adicell done and what the results are/were.... Thanks in advance i had it done on my 12 yo aussie shep girl who had OA in her elbows. Although we did see intial improvement, she sadly developed a neurological condition and died only 12 months later As rottifan said, there areno scientific results to suggest the procedure works. You also need to know that they are not injecting purified ie. only stem cells, but injecting a matrix of cells, so you can't quantify how many stem cells each dog actually gets. I am sure there is huge variation in the number of stem cells extracted from each individual, which accounts for the mixed responses to treatment. It is an expensive procedure, you're looking at $6000 for the treatment. I have heard of a number of young dogs who have done well with this treatment though, I think assistance dogs and pet therapy dogs (aka guide dogs) have had this procedure done on some of their dogs with positive results (i remember seeing something on the 7.30 report or something about this). Sorry to hear about your Shep. Price wise it's (only) $ 3500 for the procedure. I'm thinking that we might as well try it given his age, the amount we've already spent on other treatments etc... and due it's apparent low- impact nature. Even if it lasted a couple of years it means he could play with his big brother and chase balls etc whereas he can't now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) ABC radio (BBC health show) had a segment on it just the other day. You might want to see if you can podcast it. It was about a snow leopard but they talked a lot about results in dogs. Edited February 10, 2011 by Staff'n'Toller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca vet nurse Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Has anyone actually had this procedure done for arthritic dogs or joint problems in general?I have a 21 month old Stafford who has bad arthritis in both elbows and this treament seems like the final option for us. Please, I don't want alternative suggestions for treatment as we have already spent over $9000 this year trying to get the poor little guy fixed, so as you can imagine we have tried every powder/pill /"normal" surgery there is.... I just would like to know if anyone has had Adicell done and what the results are/were.... Thanks in advance Hi raybass, My name is Rebecca I work for Regeneus who provide the AdiCell procedure to veterinarians. It sounds like you have had a terrible time with your staffy and hopefully the AdiCell procedure can help. We have treated nearly 300 dogs in Australia and New Zealand, it has been my role to set up and train the clinics in the AdiCell procedure and we have close contact with our veterinary partners. I have personally helped the vets we work with treat some of the dogs and have received all the follow up forms back; I get so much satisfaction from reading the comments on the forms and feel like we are helping to make a difference to these pets and their owners lives. We are constantly trying to improve the procedure and we have a large research and development arm of the business so we can try to understand why some dogs don’t improve. We have seen really great results 80% of owners’ report that their pet is in less pain at an average of nine months after the treatment. However there are 20% of dogs that shown minimal to no improvement we are unable to say why this is at this time but like with all treatments not all dogs are responsive. I feel that as your dog is so young and the osteoarthritis is only going to progress then AdiCell is a good option, obviously I am not a vet and the final recommendation will need to come from a veterinarian after examination. Also you are correct about the price, it is around $3500 for the treatment, if you would like to call me you are welcome and we can recommend a veterinarian in your area. I realise this is a big decision so if you would like to discuss further I am happy to help. The number is 9499 8010. I wish you and your staffy the best of luck, Rebecca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybass Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Hi raybass,My name is Rebecca I work for Regeneus who provide the AdiCell procedure to veterinarians. It sounds like you have had a terrible time with your staffy and hopefully the AdiCell procedure can help. We have treated nearly 300 dogs in Australia and New Zealand, it has been my role to set up and train the clinics in the AdiCell procedure and we have close contact with our veterinary partners. I have personally helped the vets we work with treat some of the dogs and have received all the follow up forms back; I get so much satisfaction from reading the comments on the forms and feel like we are helping to make a difference to these pets and their owners lives. We are constantly trying to improve the procedure and we have a large research and development arm of the business so we can try to understand why some dogs don’t improve. We have seen really great results 80% of owners’ report that their pet is in less pain at an average of nine months after the treatment. However there are 20% of dogs that shown minimal to no improvement we are unable to say why this is at this time but like with all treatments not all dogs are responsive. I feel that as your dog is so young and the osteoarthritis is only going to progress then AdiCell is a good option, obviously I am not a vet and the final recommendation will need to come from a veterinarian after examination. Also you are correct about the price, it is around $3500 for the treatment, if you would like to call me you are welcome and we can recommend a veterinarian in your area. I realise this is a big decision so if you would like to discuss further I am happy to help. The number is 9499 8010. I wish you and your staffy the best of luck, Rebecca Hi Rebecca, I have already spoken directly to the Vet who does this procedure here in Melb, I have an appointment with my vet on Monday as he has been watching this treatment closely for a while now. Interestingly the Orthapedic Specialist who treated pup for Fragmented Coronoid Process said NOT to try the treatment as he hasn't seen enough evidence to prove it works yet. The flipside to this is that my vet is considering offering it to patients in the near future so I'll be interested to see what he says. Basically, if I could see a video of a dog that is struggling to walk and then see the same dog after treatment with any sort of improvement it would probably be enough to convince me to give it a go but there doesn't seem to be any such videos etc.. around. My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the treatment acts as a type of anti - inflammatory which pup responds well to with what he's been given from the vet. Really don't know what to do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybass Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) i had it done on my 12 yo aussie shep girl who had OA in her elbows. Although we did see intial improvement, she sadly developed a neurological condition and died only 12 months later As rottifan said, there areno scientific results to suggest the procedure works. You also need to know that they are not injecting purified ie. only stem cells, but injecting a matrix of cells, so you can't quantify how many stem cells each dog actually gets. I am sure there is huge variation in the number of stem cells extracted from each individual, which accounts for the mixed responses to treatment. It is an expensive procedure, you're looking at $6000 for the treatment. I have heard of a number of young dogs who have done well with this treatment though, I think assistance dogs and pet therapy dogs (aka guide dogs) have had this procedure done on some of their dogs with positive results (i remember seeing something on the 7.30 report or something about this). I guess my big question to you is then, would you do it again if you had another dog with a similar prob? In other words, was the improvement enough to improve shep's quality of life? Edited February 12, 2011 by raybass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashka1 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I dont have personal experience with an animal being reated but the race horse industry and now greyhound racing have been using it for some time with success. I do know of some dogs that have shown great results after a short time. The cost per treatment at my vet is only $2000. At that price I would try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybass Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 I dont have personal experience with an animal being reated but the race horse industry and now greyhound racing have been using it for some time with success. I do know of some dogs that have shown great results after a short time. The cost per treatment at my vet is only $2000. At that price I would try it. Hi Ashka, Can you tell where your vet is please? I'd like to have a talk to them too... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) i had it done on my 12 yo aussie shep girl who had OA in her elbows. Although we did see intial improvement, she sadly developed a neurological condition and died only 12 months later ;) As rottifan said, there areno scientific results to suggest the procedure works. You also need to know that they are not injecting purified ie. only stem cells, but injecting a matrix of cells, so you can't quantify how many stem cells each dog actually gets. I am sure there is huge variation in the number of stem cells extracted from each individual, which accounts for the mixed responses to treatment. It is an expensive procedure, you're looking at $6000 for the treatment. I have heard of a number of young dogs who have done well with this treatment though, I think assistance dogs and pet therapy dogs (aka guide dogs) have had this procedure done on some of their dogs with positive results (i remember seeing something on the 7.30 report or something about this). I guess my big question to you is then, would you do it again if you had another dog with a similar prob? In other words, was the improvement enough to improve shep's quality of life? Yes but i would have done it way earlier- like at 8 or 9 years when she first started showing signs of arthritis. We saw an improvement initially in our dog's proprioception and confidence using her front legs. She was also able to walk for longer distances. It may only be 3500 for the treatment itself, but does that include the GA, pain relief, CT scans etc? Also we got it done at a vet clinic in sydney. They insisted on doing a CT scan before to make sure the dog doesn't have any other problems and to make sure the dog is suitable for the procedure. Obviously its worth the money if it works though. At the moment it is the "last resort" for many arthritic dogs and I would not hesitate to give my dog the best chance possible, but luckily we are in a financial position to be able to afford experimental treatments. I do hope they do further research though into the uptake of stem cells in patients (they are currently doing this in horses but not dogs). In a young, otherwise healthy dogs, the risks are not so great (GA etc) so I guess the question is- can you afford and are you willing to spend thousands of dollars on a treatment that may or may not work? Edited February 12, 2011 by aussielover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybass Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Yes but i would have done it way earlier- like at 8 or 9 years when she first started showing signs of arthritis. We saw an improvement initially in our dog's proprioception and confidence using her front legs. She was also able to walk for longer distances. It may only be 3500 for the treatment itself, but does that include the GA, pain relief, CT scans etc? Also we got it done at a vet clinic in sydney. They insisted on doing a CT scan before to make sure the dog doesn't have any other problems and to make sure the dog is suitable for the procedure. Obviously its worth the money if it works though. At the moment it is the "last resort" for many arthritic dogs and I would not hesitate to give my dog the best chance possible, but luckily we are in a financial position to be able to afford experimental treatments. I do hope they do further research though into the uptake of stem cells in patients (they are currently doing this in horses but not dogs). In a young, otherwise healthy dogs, the risks are not so great (GA etc) so I guess the question is- can you afford and are you willing to spend thousands of dollars on a treatment that may or may not work? Apparently the fee is all inclusive, I'll have to clarify that though. The first appointment is free so I can ask again then. I certainly can/ am willing to pay for the treatment, call me crazy but you can see in his eyes he just wants to play so I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raybass Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 OK People - sorry for the delay in responses, but the time has come. My 2 y.o. goes in for Adicell treatment 28th of this month, so if anyone is still interested I will add updates here as to his progress. Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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